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Post by cordless2016 on Jan 2, 2013 18:22:41 GMT -5
So during the prime of Hulkamania, Randy Savage and Ultimate Warrior were the two stars who were also pushed to the moon w/ Hulk and were constantly at the top when Hogan left the WWF for a bit. Both main evented WMs, were in high profile feuds at the time, and both held the WWF Title. But who was the #2 guy behind Hogan?
Savage held the IC Title for about a year and had memorable feuds with Ricky Steamboat and George Steele. He then became the WWF Champion at WM4 and held it for a year, but was constantly in Hulk's shadow and never really got to shine by himself during his time in the "Mega Powers" team. His first major one on one title defense was against Hogan at WM5, and lost, and was then pushed down to the upper midcard until WM8 where he won the title to try and save the ratings from sinking.
While the "Mega Maniacs" story was going on, Warrior was gaining a ton of steam, and ended the 14 month IC Title reign of the HTM. He then entered a memorable year long feud with Rick Rude over the title before winning the WWF Title against Hogan, but like Savage, was constantly in Hulk's shadow. For example, at SummerSlam 90, Warrior defended the title against Rick Rude, yet the main feud of the night was Hogan/Earthquake. He then lost the title at the following Royal Rumble, and was then fired after SummerSlam 91. He would then make sporatic but brief returns until leaving for good in 96.
For me I would have to go with Warrior. While Savage had the much longer run in the WWF, he never got the major push that Warrior did, and always played second fiddle to Hogan. Warrior atleast got a clean win over Hogan, and while Hogan's feuds still were the main attraction, Warrior had his own stories going on. And Warrior was massively over when he won the WWF Title. Vince has bad blood with Warrior and the WWE revisonists try to make it seem like he was a flash in the pan, but Warrior's popularity nearly rivaled Hogan's if he was given the big win over him at WM6.
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Post by mikey1974 on Jan 2, 2013 19:13:38 GMT -5
this is a tough one,but i'd have to give it to the Warrior as well,for the reason's you stated.
Savage's ENTIRE 1st World Title run was in Hogan's shadow. he had no major feud or match without Hogan either being his partner or in his corner.
Warrior,other than Survivor Series 1990, had the benefit of having his own feud's and matches without Hogan's "help".
of course,they both had in common not being able to bring in the same or better ratings and attendance as Hogan.
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Post by jacktunney on Jan 2, 2013 19:46:38 GMT -5
I'd also agree that Warrior was #2 for the reasons started. The win over Hogan and his push and popularity were larger than macho as well (though macho was turned against Hogan).
No doubt Macho was the better performer though.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2013 23:35:26 GMT -5
Power of the Warrior.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2013 7:24:50 GMT -5
I agree it was Warrior too.you laid it out perfectly man.Warrior was receiving one hell of a push........savages face run only existed to facilitate his eventual feud with Hogan
also 5 votes for Savage and not ONE post to explain why anyone thinks he was #2 in this period?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2013 8:41:07 GMT -5
I picked Savage because I enjoy him way more than The Warrior
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2013 10:15:14 GMT -5
I picked Savage because I enjoy him way more than The Warrior that wasnt the question though man. the question was who was the #2 guy to Hogan during the Hulkamania days. if it was "who do people like more" I am inclined to think Savage would be running away with this. |
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Post by Raine on Jan 3, 2013 16:41:05 GMT -5
Warrior just because he went over Hogan CLEAN and for the title. Savage I'm not sure ever achieved ever, in WWF or WCW.
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Post by Nivro™ on Jan 3, 2013 17:24:44 GMT -5
I would still very easily take Savage over Warrior.
Savage's over all body of work from his IC win to his WWF Title loss is still more impressive to me. People will say "Well Savage had Hogan with him in every match", well maybe that's true but can you recall any PPV where Ultimate Warrior was the "sole spotlight" of the show? Exactly, he never was. Warrior-Rude at SummerSlam went on last, but it was still billed as co/twin Main Events....shared with? Hogan vs Earthquake. Moving on to Survivor Series, Warrior and Hogan are both sole survivors of their teams, as they move onto the main event guess who's left at the end of the night? Hogan & Warrior. Royal Rumble '91 Warrior loses the title but who was standing proud at the end of the night? Hulk Hogan...While Warrior never officially "teamed" with Hogan, he still was over shadowed by him just like Savage.
Now as I originally said, "overall body of work". Savage won the IC Title from Santana. Almost right away he was shot into a feud with then WWF Champion, Hulk Hogan. As that feud simmered down he went into a feud with Ricky Steamboat before eventually getting his run as World Champion. After his loss at Wrestlemania V, he feuded with Hogan (Still the top name in the company) for nearly a year before slipping into a feud with Dusty Rhodes as Macho took on the Macho King gimmick. Then finally sliding into his final feud with Ultimate Warrior.
Warrior won the IC Title at SummerSlam 88 and unlike Savage, was NOT thrust into a feud with the top star, instead he feuds for a year with an upper mid carder in Rick Rude. By the time his feud with Rude was over, he was finally being put into a "feud" with top star Hogan. Which we have to ask, can it be considered a "feud" if its just one match? He then spent nearly a year, like Savage, in the shadow of Hulk Hogan having to share the spotlight before he loses the title to Slaughter. Unlike Savage, where the feud between him and Warrior end, Warrior gets to continue in the company for another 4 months or so...however he once again is sharing the spotlight with WWF Champion Hulk Hogan.
So basically how I break it down. Savage wins the IC Title, feuds with WWF Champion Hulk Hogan and Ricky Steamboat. Then wins WWF Title and shares spotlight with Hogan. Then becomes "King" and feuds with Rhodes & Warrior.
Warrior wins the IC Title and feuds with HTM & Rude. Wins the WWF TItle and shares spotlight with Hogan, then loses the title but never really "stands out" on his own as he continues to have to share spotlight with Hogan, unlike Savage who took the King gimmick and moved on into other feuds away from Hogan.
Savage thrived as a rival to the top face not once but twice as well as moving on to get into a pretty decent feud with another big name in Dusty Rhodes. Warrior pretty much feuded with upper mid carders and then was over shadowed/coat tailed Hogan the rest of the time.
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Post by gelatinoustapeworm on Jan 3, 2013 20:50:04 GMT -5
Really can't argue with anything you said. I would agree that Warrior was #2 behind Hogan. Without question though, Savage was the better all-around performer and consistently put on better matches than both Warrior and Hogan.
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Post by Nivro™ on Jan 3, 2013 21:03:54 GMT -5
Really can't argue with anything you said. I would agree that Warrior was #2 behind Hogan. Without question though, Savage was the better all-around performer and consistently put on better matches than both Warrior and Hogan. I think people put Warrior as #2 because he was always a face. Savage spent most of his career from 85-90 as heel. When WWF traveled the world and wanted to draw money, they didnt book Hogan vs Warrior or Hogan vs Piper or Hogan vs Rude, they booked Hogan vs Savage cause that was the top face and the top heel. |
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Post by Bartman on Jan 3, 2013 22:01:54 GMT -5
I picked The Ultimate Warrior too. His popularity was the only one to remotely rival Hogan's during Hulkamania.
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Post by cordless2016 on Jan 4, 2013 1:37:41 GMT -5
Really can't argue with anything you said. I would agree that Warrior was #2 behind Hogan. Without question though, Savage was the better all-around performer and consistently put on better matches than both Warrior and Hogan. I think people put Warrior as #2 because he was always a face. Savage spent most of his career from 85-90 as heel. When WWF traveled the world and wanted to draw money, they didnt book Hogan vs Warrior or Hogan vs Piper or Hogan vs Rude, they booked Hogan vs Savage cause that was the top face and the top heel. For personal preferance I would take Savage anyday, but Warrior was the one who got the huge push and was the only person to get a clean win over Hogan during the prime of Hulkamania. Yes both of their title reigns were overshadowed by Hogan, but I disagree with your belief that Warrior's SS 90 feud w/ Rude was still tied to Hogan. Yeah the event was billed as a double main event, but atleat Warrior had a feud seperate from Hogan. Savage never got that. And after Warrior lost the title, he still remained in the main event, while Savage spent time in the upper midcard until his Warrior feud around WM7. And Savage mainly got a second world title reign because Hogan had left, Warrior just returned and could not be trusted, and Bret was not ready to be the top guy yet. But when Warrior returned, he was trusted right back into the main event w/ Savage and Flair. Once he was in the main event, Warrior never left because his popularity was so huge, even after he returned in 92. |
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Post by savagepoffo on Jan 4, 2013 2:37:52 GMT -5
I can see both sides of the argument here but in my opinion it was def Savage!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2013 6:20:45 GMT -5
I do see what your saying Nivro in regards to Savage being the #1 heel at the time......thus making him #2 in the company and Warrior being the 2nd face being #3.
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