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Post by MrPerfect25 on Jan 27, 2013 10:17:43 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2013 10:35:43 GMT -5
Hmm good question........and its one Nash has never answered satisfactorily in all the shoots I have watched.
the old stories were always
1)Nash vs Kane was planned and scrapped because of Nash being injured.
2)Nash was never scedualed to wrestle he was just there in case Hall no showed(I call BS on that).Hall & Nash travelled to WM18 together they talk about it on the Outsiders shoot
so I dunno......I have a feeling theres a lot more to this than meets the eye.
maybe Nash WAS injured.......and received medical clearance a week or so before WM.....that being too late to be on the card but allowing him to wrestle on Raw?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2013 11:55:20 GMT -5
I dunno but Nash should have had a match at Mania...and went over.
Having both nWo members lose basically made the group look like crap.
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Post by cordless2016 on Jan 27, 2013 12:22:39 GMT -5
Granted it was a tag match so Nash didn't have to wrestle a whole match by himself. As for the WM18 thing, I think it was a few things that prevented him from wrestling a match.
Kurt has said himself that Vince was trying hard to bring in Sting for WM18 and wanted Angle to feud w/ him. That explains why a top guy like Angle basically had no feud going into that mania. Other rumors have said that Nash was going to feud w/ Taker or Kane. Taker was a heel so that wasn't going to happen, but Kane, like Angle, had nothing going into WM18. Given that Kane briefly feuded w/ the nWo after WM18, its plausable he was going to feud w/ Nash. When Angle and Kane both had nothing to do, Vince probably just threw them together at the last minute since Kane and Nash had no buildup for some reason. Possibly because Nash did have a nagging injury.
Sad considering we could have gotten Angle vs Perfect. Hell, even an Angle and Kane feud back then would have been new and fresh had they been given a few weeks of buildup instead of being thrown together outta nowhere. And it really showed in their match, as Angle and Kane looked outta it and had a sloppy and quick match.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2013 12:37:53 GMT -5
I dunno but Nash should have had a match at Mania...and went over. Having both nWo members lose basically made the group look like crap. This. This times infinity. I also wonder... Why the hell didn't Curt Hennig join the NWO after WM18? It seemed perfect. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2013 12:52:13 GMT -5
I heard a long time ago that Nash wasn't used for Mania, in case Hall flaked out. If Hall flaked out and messed up, then it would have been Austin vs. Nash at Wrestlemania 18.
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Post by koreygunz on Jan 27, 2013 13:04:23 GMT -5
I dunno but Nash should have had a match at Mania...and went over. Having both nWo members lose basically made the group look like crap. Hall was booked to go over but Austin complained and the match was changed. However, even if Hall HAD gone over, the nWo was still doomed. Vince had already made his mind up even BEFORE WM18 that he was turning Hogan face. He even told him to bring his red and yellow gear with him to the show (which would have made no sense if Hogan actually came out in it for his match with Rock). WWE nWo was a disaster from the jump. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2013 13:38:02 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure that the original plan was that Hogan was going to go after WM18.
I assume the NWO would carry on with Hall, Nash, X-Pac etc. But when Hall got fired the NWO was definately doomed to fail. Nash getting injured was simply putting a lame horse down.
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Post by mikey1974 on Jan 27, 2013 17:41:19 GMT -5
to be fair...it's not unheard of for Nash to fake an injury to get out of a match he doesn't want to do. he was booked VS. The Giant at Starrcade 1997,and since he didn't want to job out he got injured right before the match,and was suddenly all better right after it.
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Post by Likwid[[Southern]] on Jan 27, 2013 18:05:04 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure that the original plan was that Hogan was going to go after WM18. I assume the NWO would carry on with Hall, Nash, X-Pac etc. But when Hall got fired the NWO was definately doomed to fail. Nash getting injured was simply putting a lame horse down. Yea, I was pretty sure at that time, when they had Nash, Hall, Pac, Show, and Booker T, then Michaels... They kicked Booker out, and started going after HHH, so I'm pretty sure they were gunna get Show out of the nWo, and the members would be the Kilq. But Hall's release, then Kid's, then Nash's injury...no Kliq. |
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Post by cordless2016 on Jan 27, 2013 18:51:39 GMT -5
I doubt Vince had his mind up about turning Hogan face before WM18 given that Hogan and Hall were both origionally suppose to go over. It is comonly accepted tat the reaction Hogan got at WM18 was what made Vince decide to turn Hogan face.
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Post by mikey1974 on Jan 27, 2013 20:04:18 GMT -5
actually,Hogan said he had it planned before Mania. he even flew Hogan down in the private WWF jet to Florida the day before Mania to go to his house and get the red and yellow gear so he could wear it at WM. only then,after Hogan got back with the stuff, did Vince change his mind and felt the full return of the red and yellow Face Hogan deserved it's own kinda "special moment", rather than just sandwiched into WM.
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Post by LeighD on Jan 28, 2013 8:52:45 GMT -5
actually,Hogan said he had it planned before Mania. he even flew Hogan down in the private WWF jet to Florida the day before Mania to go to his house and get the red and yellow gear so he could wear it at WM. only then,after Hogan got back with the stuff, did Vince change his mind and felt the full return of the red and yellow Face Hogan deserved it's own kinda "special moment", rather than just sandwiched into WM. I believe this was in this WWE book. I was going to mention it also but you got it there before I did. As far as Nash goes, I only remember him being "unjured" and unable to compete at X-8. Many people thought at the time it was simply because Vince didn't trust Hall and was having Nash as his backup. But various places have said this wasn't the case and Hall was, for the most part, walking a straight line. I don't remember anything about Sting being brought in to work with Angle, but that doesn't mean it didn't happen. Personally I would have prefered Nash vs. Kane & Angle vs. Perfect. |
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Post by wyleecyotee on Jan 28, 2013 15:57:14 GMT -5
It could just be a case of having Nash wrestle injured at wrestle mania jeopardises the match whereas if he aggregate the injury an the match has to stop its better it be on raw than at the biggest show of the year. It's not like he was needed to sell the show either with hogan/rock and a vast undercard where someone like mr. Perfect (no matter how he may have been) could only get in heat.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2013 19:29:40 GMT -5
It could just be a case of having Nash wrestle injured at wrestle mania jeopardises the match whereas if he aggregate the injury an the match has to stop its better it be on raw than at the biggest show of the year. It's not like he was needed to sell the show either with hogan/rock and a vast undercard where someone like mr. Perfect (no matter how he may have been) could only get in heat. I said something similar above man & I feel like its the closest too. I reckon Nash was injured and got clearance too close to WM to get a match or build & like you say they didnt want to risk him reinjuring. |
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Post by wyleecyotee on Jan 28, 2013 19:42:23 GMT -5
It could just be a case of having Nash wrestle injured at wrestle mania jeopardises the match whereas if he aggregate the injury an the match has to stop its better it be on raw than at the biggest show of the year. It's not like he was needed to sell the show either with hogan/rock and a vast undercard where someone like mr. Perfect (no matter how he may have been) could only get in heat. I said something similar above man & I feel like its the closest too. I reckon Nash was injured and got clearance too close to WM to get a match or build & like you say they didnt want to risk him reinjuring. Yeah haha sorry I completely missed your post. I cant really see anything else, I'm sure Nash would have agreed to a mania match and it's obvious Kane an angle weren't mean to go against each other from early plans so I'm sure Nash would have been on an early draft of the card but didn't make it. |
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Post by MrPerfect25 on Jan 29, 2013 9:58:29 GMT -5
There might not have been much buildup to Kane/Angle, but I didn't think it was a bad match.
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Post by cordless2016 on Jan 29, 2013 10:15:55 GMT -5
There might not have been much buildup to Kane/Angle, but I didn't think it was a bad match. I thought it was a very rare sloppy performance for Angle. Both men just didn't seem into it to me and the botched ending was just bad. Kane's shoulders wern't even down for the 3 count lol. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2013 19:56:29 GMT -5
There might not have been much buildup to Kane/Angle, but I didn't think it was a bad match. I thought it was a very rare sloppy performance for Angle. Both men just didn't seem into it to me and the botched ending was just bad. Kane's shoulders wern't even down for the 3 count lol. have to say........it didnt do much for me either.thankfully Angle would go on to tear it up for the next calendar year in WWE. |
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Post by sideeffect on Jan 29, 2013 23:35:43 GMT -5
I thought it was a very rare sloppy performance for Angle. Both men just didn't seem into it to me and the botched ending was just bad. Kane's shoulders wern't even down for the 3 count lol. have to say........it didnt do much for me either.thankfully Angle would go on to tear it up for the next calendar year in WWE. I agree, didn't like Kane/Angle at all. I just remembered them having a match on SD sometime in late-Feb/early March 2002 with Kane winning and BAM they had a match at WM18. But once that was over, he was just amazing and like you said tearing it up for the next calender year. SD in general was just awesome in 2002 and 2003...loads of talent a great combination of matches. |
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