mfunston20
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Post by mfunston20 on Feb 3, 2013 15:43:09 GMT -5
Source: Fighting Spirit Magazine
Fighting Spirit Magazine is featuring quotes from a recent article by WWE Hall of Famer "Stone Cold" Steve Austin in a recent issue of the magazine where Austin talks about WWE needing to better prepare younger wrestlers before they are put in high profile situations on television.
"Today's guys are very impressionable, and don't really call it in the ring anymore. Some of the guys don't know whether to crap or wind their watch; when they get in the ring, they have some basics, but they've always been told exactly what to do before they go out there. Back in the day, we were calling it all in the ring; we didn't have anything to be nervous about, because we didn't have to remember anything. All I had to do was listen to a hellacious worker like Billy Joe Travis or Jimmy Jack Funk, trusting them to help lead me through it.
"The guys today are on a big stage, and none bigger than WWE. It's up to the promotion to bring these cats in light, establish them, and help them get over. You can't just bring in someone new and expect them to work a Wrestlemania calibre match right away. If you give someone a monster push right off the bat, but don't give them the base knowledge, it makes no sense to wonder why they crap the bed. These kids are exposed after a few weeks of TV, because they don't have the experience of what to do in that situation. The more knowledge you have, the better chance you have of being successful."
I agree with Stone Cold. WWE needs to start focusing on the future and build their young stars up.
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Post by ~*Young $ Money*~ on Feb 3, 2013 15:49:36 GMT -5
He is right. Instead of calling every single match tit for tat WWE needs to let their guys shine and be unique instead of all the same cookie cutter from the same mold type. The promos all sound the same, the wrestlers all look the same and the matches are all pretty basic.
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Post by Todd Pettengill on Feb 3, 2013 16:22:30 GMT -5
Stone Cold fails to realize that it will never happen. When he broke in and made it to TV there were still great wrestlers from all those territories. There isn't anyone in wrestling outside of WWE today that has that experience of being everywhere and doing everything. These ROH and other indy guys aren't good wrestlers or entertainers they just know how to do useless spots and useless acrobatics. Then you have the WWE developmental that barely develops anyone because they are all getting trained the exact same way only to be the exact same workers as one another.
The best thing WWE could do is open several developmental companies in different areas and states and then put different trainers at each one and have them travel to each others shows and work. It may all be ran under the same flag but at least there would be something different with each guy.
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Post by Mirror Images on Feb 3, 2013 16:32:44 GMT -5
They need to have a development programme that actually developes people  because the only true main event star to have come through it in the last 7 years isCM Punk. When it was OVW in the late 90's early 00's you had Lesnar, Orton, Cena, Angle and many more. |
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Post by Boy Wonder on Feb 3, 2013 18:12:43 GMT -5
Stone Cold fails to realize that it will never happen. When he broke in and made it to TV there were still great wrestlers from all those territories. There isn't anyone in wrestling outside of WWE today that has that experience of being everywhere and doing everything. These ROH and other indy guys aren't good wrestlers or entertainers they just know how to do useless spots and useless acrobatics. Then you have the WWE developmental that barely develops anyone because they are all getting trained the exact same way only to be the exact same workers as one another. The best thing WWE could do is open several developmental companies in different areas and states and then put different trainers at each one and have them travel to each others shows and work. It may all be ran under the same flag but at least there would be something different with each guy. lol wut? There's a lot of talent out there. It's just a matter of hiring those guys instead of body builders and trying to train them from the ground up. |
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Post by B-Radimus Prime on Feb 3, 2013 18:28:33 GMT -5
Stone Cold fails to realize that it will never happen. When he broke in and made it to TV there were still great wrestlers from all those territories. There isn't anyone in wrestling outside of WWE today that has that experience of being everywhere and doing everything. These ROH and other indy guys aren't good wrestlers or entertainers they just know how to do useless spots and useless acrobatics. Then you have the WWE developmental that barely develops anyone because they are all getting trained the exact same way only to be the exact same workers as one another. The best thing WWE could do is open several developmental companies in different areas and states and then put different trainers at each one and have them travel to each others shows and work. It may all be ran under the same flag but at least there would be something different with each guy. Are you intellectually- disabled? Haha. Yeah, Punk and Bryan obviously don't know how to wrestle at all. |
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Post by k5 on Feb 3, 2013 23:53:55 GMT -5
Stone Cold fails to realize that it will never happen. When he broke in and made it to TV there were still great wrestlers from all those territories. There isn't anyone in wrestling outside of WWE today that has that experience of being everywhere and doing everything. These ROH and other indy guys aren't good wrestlers or entertainers they just know how to do useless spots and useless acrobatics. Then you have the WWE developmental that barely develops anyone because they are all getting trained the exact same way only to be the exact same workers as one another. The best thing WWE could do is open several developmental companies in different areas and states and then put different trainers at each one and have them travel to each others shows and work. It may all be ran under the same flag but at least there would be something different with each guy. Are you intellectually- disabled? Haha. Yeah, Punk and Bryan obviously don't know how to wrestle at all. yep, because apparently for a promotion that focuses on match quality as the major feature (roh), they just do useless acrobats and spots. silliest thing i've read on this board for a while for sure. |
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Post by Todd Pettengill on Feb 4, 2013 1:19:05 GMT -5
Stone Cold fails to realize that it will never happen. When he broke in and made it to TV there were still great wrestlers from all those territories. There isn't anyone in wrestling outside of WWE today that has that experience of being everywhere and doing everything. These ROH and other indy guys aren't good wrestlers or entertainers they just know how to do useless spots and useless acrobatics. Then you have the WWE developmental that barely develops anyone because they are all getting trained the exact same way only to be the exact same workers as one another. The best thing WWE could do is open several developmental companies in different areas and states and then put different trainers at each one and have them travel to each others shows and work. It may all be ran under the same flag but at least there would be something different with each guy. Are you intellectually- disabled? Haha. Yeah, Punk and Bryan obviously don't know how to wrestle at all. Did I say CM Punk or Daniel Bryan? I like ROH just fine for what they do but 60% of them just aren't the type of guys that would sell tickets to a mass audience. Mainstream wrestling fans (the ones that actually matter) don't care about chain wrestling and 7 1/2 flips in the air. The hardcore indie fans and marks are nothing but a small, small, small, small part of wrestling. Vince doesn't try to cater to those types all the time and rightfully so. Why do you think CM Punk spent 70-80% of his reign "on top" playing second fiddle to John Cena, Rock, Triple H, Kevin Nash, and Brock Lesnar? |
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Post by Dr. Mantis Toboggan MD on Feb 4, 2013 1:42:40 GMT -5
Honestly this has been the WWE's biggest problem the past decade or so. They have been so caught up in the present that they have forgotten to plan for the future.
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Post by k5 on Feb 4, 2013 11:39:58 GMT -5
Are you intellectually- disabled? Haha. Yeah, Punk and Bryan obviously don't know how to wrestle at all. Did I say CM Punk or Daniel Bryan? I like ROH just fine for what they do but 60% of them just aren't the type of guys that would sell tickets to a mass audience. Mainstream wrestling fans (the ones that actually matter) don't care about chain wrestling and 7 1/2 flips in the air. The hardcore indie fans and marks are nothing but a small, small, small, small part of wrestling. Vince doesn't try to cater to those types all the time and rightfully so. Why do you think CM Punk spent 70-80% of his reign "on top" playing second fiddle to John Cena, Rock, Triple H, Kevin Nash, and Brock Lesnar? in no way does their possible lack of marketability result in them being 'not good wrestlers'. seriously one of the most idiotic suggestions i've ever seen on wf. and all you're doing is subscribing to the crapty vince mcmahon 'big men' logic. just because vince established a close minded standard of who looks like a champ/doesn't, doesn't make it a fact that indie guys can't get over in the mainstream. cm punk, cesaro, daniel bryan, and jeff hardy say otherwise...and have proven it. |
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Post by Todd Pettengill on Feb 4, 2013 14:41:06 GMT -5
I never said those guys couldn't get over on TV....I said 60% of the indie guys don't even belong near a WWE camera. Punk, Cesaro, and Bryan are way different because they are actually good. Ohno, Ambrose and Rollins are good also. I have no clue where Jeff Hardy came in because he wasn't an indie guy but a back yarder who got a job getting beat up.
A great example of someone I mean is Evan Bourne. Great on the indies but boy that guy doesn't have what it takes to make it in the WWE.
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Post by Chris Hammers on Feb 4, 2013 14:54:14 GMT -5
I never said those guys couldn't get over on TV....I said 60% of the indie guys don't even belong near a WWE camera. Punk, Cesaro, and Bryan are way different because they are actually good. Ohno, Ambrose and Rollins are good also. I have no clue where Jeff Hardy came in because he wasn't an indie guy but a back yarder who got a job getting beat up. A great example of someone I mean is Evan Bourne. Great on the indies but boy that guy doesn't have what it takes to make it in the WWE. Why does someone have to "make it" per say, in the WWE? You make it sound like, they should only hire guys they want to be main eventing cards. |
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Post by punksnotdead on Feb 4, 2013 15:00:28 GMT -5
Are you intellectually- disabled? Haha. Yeah, Punk and Bryan obviously don't know how to wrestle at all. I like ROH just fine for what they do but 60% of them just aren't the type of guys that would sell tickets to a mass audience. Mainstream wrestling fans (the ones that actually matter) don't care about chain wrestling and 7 1/2 flips in the air. The hardcore indie fans and marks are nothing but a small, small, small, small part of wrestling. Vince doesn't try to cater to those types all the time and rightfully so. Why do you think CM Punk spent 70-80% of his reign "on top" playing second fiddle to John Cena, Rock, Triple H, Kevin Nash, and Brock Lesnar? Indy wrestlers are the closest thing to territory talent that still happens in 2013. Bryan, Punk, Kassius Ohno, Cesaro, Seth Rollins, Ambrose, where do you think all those guys came from? 60% wouldn't sell? Yeah no sh*t. There are thousands of Indy wrestlers around the country. Only the best talent gets the opportunity. What a completely naive and just plan ignorant statement. El Generico, PAC, Sara Del Rey is a trainer in NXT. Even Sandow spent time on the Indies between WWE stints. That doesn't even get into guys like Nigel and Aries who never signed with WWE but got over in Orlando. WWE setting up different territories with different trainers does nothing in the way of real learning if those guys are still being taught the same cookie cutter crap. Guys are the characters that are scripted for them, they have the matches that someone scripts for them. The issue here is that no one forces anyone to rise to the top. But by all means, continue thinking your opinion is some how more valid than that of Stone Cold Steve Austin. |
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Post by punksnotdead on Feb 4, 2013 15:05:19 GMT -5
I never said those guys couldn't get over on TV....I said 60% of the indie guys don't even belong near a WWE camera. Punk, Cesaro, and Bryan are way different because they are actually good. Ohno, Ambrose and Rollins are good also. I have no clue where Jeff Hardy came in because he wasn't an indie guy but a back yarder who got a job getting beat up. A great example of someone I mean is Evan Bourne. Great on the indies but boy that guy doesn't have what it takes to make it in the WWE. But Evan Bourne got over? Just because he wasn't WWE Champion doesn't mean he wasn't useful to WWE. So that's actually a terrible example. Funny that he's a spot monkey and it's that shooting star spot that got him over in WWE. Plus, Bourne was never that great of an Indy wrestler. Nowhere near the caliber of a Joe, Punk, Bryan, Aries type of guy. |
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Post by Todd Pettengill on Feb 4, 2013 15:08:40 GMT -5
Did I say CM Punk or Daniel Bryan? I like ROH just fine for what they do but 60% of them just aren't the type of guys that would sell tickets to a mass audience. Mainstream wrestling fans (the ones that actually matter) don't care about chain wrestling and 7 1/2 flips in the air. The hardcore indie fans and marks are nothing but a small, small, small, small part of wrestling. Vince doesn't try to cater to those types all the time and rightfully so. Why do you think CM Punk spent 70-80% of his reign "on top" playing second fiddle to John Cena, Rock, Triple H, Kevin Nash, and Brock Lesnar? Indy wrestlers are the closest thing to territory talent that still happens in 2013. Bryan, Punk, Kassius Ohno, Cesaro, Seth Rollins, Ambrose, where do you think all those guys came from? 60% wouldn't sell? Yeah no sh*t. There are thousands of Indy wrestlers around the country. Only the best talent gets the opportunity. What a completely naive and just plan ignorant statement. El Generico, PAC, Sara Del Rey is a trainer in NXT. Even Sandow spent time on the Indies between WWE stints. That doesn't even get into guys like Nigel and Aries who never signed with WWE but got over in Orlando. WWE setting up different territories with different trainers does nothing in the way of real learning if those guys are still being taught the same cookie cutter crap. Guys are the characters that are scripted for them, they have the matches that someone scripts for them. The issue here is that no one forces anyone to rise to the top. But by all means, continue thinking your opinion is some how more valid than that of Stone Cold Steve Austin.Wait....Stone Cold thinks ROH guys are the answer? My opinion is like Austins. Guys need trainers that have been to the show and been all over. Not 1 guy named Bill DeMott or Billy Gunn. My ROH statement has nothing to do with what Austin said so come on get serious please. And PAC and El Generico aren't trainers in NXT. |
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Post by Todd Pettengill on Feb 4, 2013 15:10:09 GMT -5
I never said those guys couldn't get over on TV....I said 60% of the indie guys don't even belong near a WWE camera. Punk, Cesaro, and Bryan are way different because they are actually good. Ohno, Ambrose and Rollins are good also. I have no clue where Jeff Hardy came in because he wasn't an indie guy but a back yarder who got a job getting beat up. A great example of someone I mean is Evan Bourne. Great on the indies but boy that guy doesn't have what it takes to make it in the WWE. But Evan Bourne got over? Just because he wasn't WWE Champion doesn't mean he wasn't useful to WWE. So that's actually a terrible example. Funny that he's a spot monkey and it's that shooting star spot that got him over in WWE. Plus, Bourne was never that great of an Indy wrestler. Nowhere near the caliber of a Joe, Punk, Bryan, Aries type of guy. Evan Bourne never got over. John Cena couldn't even help Bourne get over. The only time Evan was slightly over was when he tagged with Kofi. |
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Post by punksnotdead on Feb 4, 2013 15:38:42 GMT -5
Indy wrestlers are the closest thing to territory talent that still happens in 2013. Bryan, Punk, Kassius Ohno, Cesaro, Seth Rollins, Ambrose, where do you think all those guys came from? 60% wouldn't sell? Yeah no sh*t. There are thousands of Indy wrestlers around the country. Only the best talent gets the opportunity. What a completely naive and just plan ignorant statement. El Generico, PAC, Sara Del Rey is a trainer in NXT. Even Sandow spent time on the Indies between WWE stints. That doesn't even get into guys like Nigel and Aries who never signed with WWE but got over in Orlando. WWE setting up different territories with different trainers does nothing in the way of real learning if those guys are still being taught the same cookie cutter crap. Guys are the characters that are scripted for them, they have the matches that someone scripts for them. The issue here is that no one forces anyone to rise to the top. But by all means, continue thinking your opinion is some how more valid than that of Stone Cold Steve Austin.Wait....Stone Cold thinks ROH guys are the answer? My opinion is like Austins. Guys need trainers that have been to the show and been all over. Not 1 guy named Bill DeMott or Billy Gunn. My ROH statement has nothing to do with what Austin said so come on get serious please. And PAC and El Generico aren't trainers in NXT. Stone Cold fails to realize that it will never happen. Short memory huh. And I said SDR is a trainer in NXT, El Generico and PAC are just further examples of how stupid you sound. |
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Post by WalterF on Feb 4, 2013 20:46:44 GMT -5
I agree and disagree. I think Wwe has some amazing wrestlers and we have consistent good matches. The territories are over and wrestling is different now just as Vince changed wrestling in the 80s.
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Post by Little Billy Biscuit on Feb 4, 2013 21:40:51 GMT -5
Wait....Stone Cold thinks ROH guys are the answer? My opinion is like Austins. Guys need trainers that have been to the show and been all over. Not 1 guy named Bill DeMott or Billy Gunn. My ROH statement has nothing to do with what Austin said so come on get serious please. And PAC and El Generico aren't trainers in NXT. Stone Cold fails to realize that it will never happen. Short memory huh. And I said SDR is a trainer in NXT, El Generico and PAC are just further examples of how stupid you sound. Boys boys boys. Quit arguing. Lets all go grab a biscuit, and get along. |
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