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Post by Halloween King on Mar 14, 2013 22:36:00 GMT -5
Today I just watched The Master, which was nominated for numerous academey awards and I have to say wow. That movie was garbage. I had no idea what the movie was about but since it was nominated I thought it was worth a view and boy was I wrong.
I had no idea what the movie was about, so when it started there was a glitch on screen that looked like I had popped in an old VHS tape. So I was thinking, Master as in Master copy of a VHS? It has nothing to do with VHS.
The movie starts off with a random scene of a man on a beach, and then a number of guys on the same beach. And then those guys are being discharged from service. And then it goes to a scene in something that looks like a cross between a department store and an old bank. Basicly this movie starts off as a mess with various random scenes. Random scenes is what this movie is all about.
Eventually the movies star meets up with another character. Then the movie goes off into a self help movie for about an hr and a half. And then the star leaves the self help group and we go back to random scenes. And then the star goes back to the self help group.... and then it ends.
Nothing ever happens in this movie. No story is told, only parts of multiple storys with NO conclusions. It was really frustrating to watch. Master left me wondering what I had just watched. Just to point out an example, there is a scene with singing and dancing, and then all the women are nude. So..... were they really nude? Is it some sex cult? Was the guy just dreaming? It's never explained. At first I thought the main character was just dreaming all the women were naked, but then the very next scene is the "master" guy pleasuring him self in the bathroom..... so was it fake? Or was it real and thats why this guy is in the bathroom?
It left me thinking, do movies that just SUCK get nominated for awards? As it is I dont understand how a movie comes out in January of this year but yet it competes for awards with movies that came out last year....... Heck, Amy Adams was nominated for her role in Master and she prob has 10 lines tops in a movie that goes on for over 2 hrs.
I remember last year Marylin was nominated so I watched it. And again, that movie was garbage. And recently I watched Beasts of a Southern Wild and that movie wasnt total garbage like Master and Marylin but it also was not a good movie.
Often times I rent these Academy nominated films in hopes that it will be a good movie but lately it just seems to be the exact opposite.
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Post by J12 on Mar 14, 2013 23:03:25 GMT -5
I thought The Master was well done, and the performances were incredible. To each his own. Just because you didn't enjoy it, it doesn't necessarily mean it's garbage or that it didn't deserve praise. It wasn't nominated for best picture. I agree with that omission, but I think it was very much deserving of the nominations it did receive throughout award season, particularly in the acting category.
As for your question regarding films released in January, as far as the Academy Awards are concerned, a film needs to be screened in at least one or two of the major cities - usually New York or Los Angeles, by December 31st to qualify. Many of the films that get released "wide" the following calendar year have already been out for several weeks in major cities by the time we get them. Often times, nominated films don't even gain enough traction to get picked up by theaters nationwide until they're nominated.
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Post by Halloween King on Mar 14, 2013 23:29:27 GMT -5
I thought The Master was well done, and the performances were incredible. To each his own. Just because you didn't enjoy it, it doesn't necessarily mean it's garbage or that it didn't deserve praise. It wasn't nominated for best picture. I agree with that omission, but I think it was very much deserving of the nominations it did receive throughout award season, particularly in the acting category. As for your question regarding films released in January, as far as the Academy Awards are concerned, a film needs to be screened in at least one or two of the major cities - usually New York or Los Angeles, by December 31st to qualify. Many of the films that get released "wide" the following calendar year have already been out for several weeks in major cities by the time we get them. Often times, nominated films don't even gain enough traction to get picked up by theaters nationwide until they're nominated. So if you liked the move, the Master, maybe you can tell me what it was about? What was going on? Was the master character a fraud? Do you really feel that the 10 mins of screen time Amy got, in a 2 plus hr movie, deserved a best supporting actress nomination? Think of how many movies came out last year. Now think of all the women who had good roles. The entire time I was watching The Master I kept thinking....... ok now, Amy is about to give me a great scene with great dialouge. Sadly though that never happened. She is in scenes standing, SILENTLY, next to her man. Than she tells her man not to drink, then she tells her man that Freddie is no good, then She talks to Freddie about eye color, then she says Freddie abandoned them and should not be allowed back. She prob talked for 10 mins of that movie. Personally I like a movie that tells a story and at the end gives me, the audience, a conclusion to the story that was just told. With the Master we never find out Freddie over comes his demons. Or for that matter it would have been nice to find out why Freddie is the way he is, the movie just plunges foward as if you already knew, leaving you to guess. We never find out if Lancaster cheats on his wife, or if Lancaster is a fraud or a genuine mystic. The whole movie they develop character storys only to end abrudtly with no explanation. This movie is VERY slow in the begining. And then for a slight second it caught my attention and then it goes back to being very slow. And then when I think things will be resolved it just ends. When a movie ends like this, a black roll to credits midstory, I take it as a big F.U. middle finger that Hollywood just shoved in my face. |
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Post by King Silva on Mar 15, 2013 5:49:22 GMT -5
I have not seen it [yet] but I did see My Week With Marilyn and you didn't like that so that tells me something I suppose. Maybe you should not watch Oscar nominated/winning movies since you don't seem to like some of them [at least these 3 that were nominated in the last 2 years].  Just curious, what films in the last 2 or so years that were up for Oscars did you enjoy? |
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Post by punksnotdead on Mar 15, 2013 8:58:07 GMT -5
I thought My Week with Marilyn was a great movie. Not my favorite of all time or anything but I thought everything about it was really well done, and specifically Michelle Williams' performance. Just because you don't like something doesn't mean it's garbage, just isn't for you. I haven't seen The Master, but it also doesn't look like something I would enjoy. I tend to stay away from films like that if it doesn't interest me. Otherwise, I go into it thinking it's going to be chore to get through.
Is your overall beef with this particular movie, or with award shows and the Oscars? I think we are all aware of the political element involved with some of these award shows. The best film or performance isn't always going to win, and I think a lot of times we see more artsy films be praised in situations where "average joe" thinks they suck. I'm with you there, and I wish more of the entertainment value was taken into consideration when deeming films picture/performance of the year.
At the end of the day, it's just a bunch of opinions though. They really mean nothing to me. There are years when I felt like I had a horse in the raise like Johnny Depp for Pirates or Sweeney Todd, or Brad Pitt for Moneyball, but most of that show just doesn't appeal to me since I could give two sh*ts about anything beyond the scope of what I enjoy.
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Post by Halloween King on Mar 15, 2013 8:59:16 GMT -5
I have not seen it [yet] but I did see My Week With Marilyn and you didn't like that so that tells me something I suppose. Maybe you should not watch Oscar nominated/winning movies since you don't seem to like some of them [at least these 3 that were nominated in the last 2 years]. Just curious, what films in the last 2 or so years that were up for Oscars did you enjoy? From tha last two years I really liked War Horse, The Help, Warrior, Drive, Bridesmaids, The Fighter, THe Social Network, Toy Story 3, ,True Grit.... to name a few. All of those were nominated for an Award and all of those lost to a movie I felt was inferior. Going back further I'll mention the Dark Knight. That film was the best film of it's year. Yet I got no Best Picture Nomination, it only got the Best Supporting Actor award, I feel, because Heath passed away. I suppose some people will say Dark Knight wasnt the best picture of the year despite me thinking that it was, but to not even be nominated? |
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Post by Halloween King on Mar 15, 2013 9:08:00 GMT -5
I thought My Week with Marilyn was a great movie. Not my favorite of all time or anything but I thought everything about it was really well done, and specifically Michelle Williams' performance. Just because you don't like something doesn't mean it's garbage, just isn't for you. I haven't seen The Master, but it also doesn't look like something I would enjoy. I tend to stay away from films like that if it doesn't interest me. Otherwise, I go into it thinking it's going to be chore to get through. Is your overall beef with this particular movie, or with award shows and the Oscars? I think we are all aware of the political element involved with some of these award shows. The best film or performance isn't always going to win, and I think a lot of times we see more artsy films be praised in situations where "average joe" thinks they suck. I'm with you there, and I wish more of the entertainment value was taken into consideration when deeming films picture/performance of the year. At the end of the day, it's just a bunch of opinions though. They really mean nothing to me. There are years when I felt like I had a horse in the raise like Johnny Depp for Pirates or Sweeney Todd, or Brad Pitt for Moneyball, but most of that show just doesn't appeal to me since I could give two sh*ts about anything beyond the scope of what I enjoy. My "beef" yesterday was dirceted towards the movie The Master. I just hate movies that have no ending. And then I remember it was nominated for numerous awards. I just fail to see how this would have been considered a good movie. The only way I would say The Master was a good movie was if you paid me. |
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Post by J12 on Mar 15, 2013 10:56:40 GMT -5
I think The Master, like many other films nowadays, is meant to be open to interpretation. By the sounds of it, that type of style isn't for you. You seem to like a clear story with a cut and dry ending. I don't mean that in a condescending way, because it's perfectly fine, but not everyone would agree with your particular taste.
As for your list of critically acclaimed films that you enjoyed, I agree with you on a lot of fronts. I will always feel as though The Dark Knight deserved, at the very least, a best picture nomination. That film will be remembered as a decade defining work, whereas most of the films nominated that year will go on to eventually be forgotten (though, to be fair, there were some fantastic films nominated that year.)
My biggest gripe with the Oscars is their tendency to fall for "Oscar bait." To me, this is the first time in a few years that they haven't. Argo was a major wide release with mass appeal, an attractive story, and the like. Do I think it was the best film of the year? Absolutely not, but I do think it was at least a slightly less obvious or "baited" choice than, say, Lincoln. That isn't to say Lincoln wasn't a great film, but I thought that it truly only deserved the amount of praise it received because of Daniel Day-Lewis, and he was properly awarded.
To date, one of the biggest modern failures of the Academy Awards, to me, was not awarding The Social Network best picture in 2011. Just that fall, the Academy came out and said that they were looking to appeal to a wider audience, a younger generation, and that they felt some of their criteria in judging best picture had become slightly outdated. They threw Anne Hathaway and James Franco into the hosting spotlight, and again, talked "youth movement' all the way up to the awards.
The King's Speech was a great film, don't get me wrong, but again, it was Oscar bait. The Social Network was a brilliantly crafted story about one of the most influential and monumental media tools to ever exist. I'll always feel The Social Network was robbed blindly that year, but again, that's just my opinion.
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Post by Noza on Mar 15, 2013 11:13:19 GMT -5
It was quite obvious you would hate The Master, as it requires thinking. No idea why you bothered watching it.
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Post by Halloween King on Mar 15, 2013 16:48:44 GMT -5
It was quite obvious you would hate The Master, as it requires thinking. No idea why you bothered watching it. How did The Master require thinking? Do the first few scenes make any sense? He's on a beach alone, then he's on a beach with other men, then they get discharged. I understand that he was in the Navy and that he wasnt right in the head. But then the rest of the movie you're left to guess as to what Lancaster/theMaster was up to. Was he, as his son said, making it all up as they went along? Was he a fraud? See the whole movie is spent on trying to establish characters. And establishing those characters is PAINFULLY SLOW. And then once you kinda understand who everyone is the movie ends. They did nothing. It just rolls to credits, kinda like the dvd player was tired of that garbage so it played the dvd off by going straight to credits. And then as I've said already on this thread I was in shock. Amy Adams was nominated for an Academy Award for her role? She was in the movie all of 10 mins. To put it in wrestling related terms......... to say Amy Adams had a good role in The Master is like me saying I liked wrestlemania because Camera 1 caught a glimpse of the guy holding Camera 2. Is the guy holding Camera 2 in wrestlemania? Sure he is, just as Amy is in The Master. But even then the guy holding Camera 2 has a more important role than Amy because he at least films the entire event and not just 10 to 15 mins. So when I see Amy was nominated for her role in the movie it's like you telling me the Camera 2 guy should get inducted into the Hall of Fame for holding the Camera. |
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Post by pero on Mar 15, 2013 18:54:33 GMT -5
OP seems like he's never seen a film before.
The first few scenes were of Freddie in the Navy. Shortly he gets discharged and goes back to America. He starts working as a photographer until he gets into an altercation. Nothing there that's hard to understand. Those scenes helped build Freddie as a character. It showed us that he's crazy
The ending of the film isn't anything concrete but something does indeed come of it. When you watch movies, you have to think a little. It's not hard to do.
The Master was a tremendous film all around, one of the best of 2012. I do agree that Amy Adams wasn't in the movie enough for a nomination but it really doesn't matter.
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Post by Halloween King on Mar 15, 2013 19:06:24 GMT -5
OP seems like he's never seen a film before. The first few scenes were of Freddie in the Navy. Shortly he gets discharged and goes back to America. He starts working as a photographer until he gets into an altercation. Nothing there that's hard to understand. Those scenes helped build Freddie as a character. It showed us that he's crazy The ending of the film isn't anything concrete but something does indeed come of it. When you watch movies, you have to think a little. It's not hard to do. The Master was a tremendous film all around, one of the best of 2012. I do agree that Amy Adams wasn't in the movie enough for a nomination but it really doesn't matter. Thank you for that part in Bold. If you liked the film, and the ending.... please enlighten me, tell me what I missed? |
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Post by Tim of thee on Mar 15, 2013 22:19:11 GMT -5
I don't see the correlation between a camera guy for wrestling and an actor on screen. In fact, there is none, which explains why I can't see the logic.
Beatrice Straight won an Oscar for her role in Network and her total screen time was 5 minutes and 40 seconds. Anthony Hopkins was only on screen for 16 minutes in Silence of the Lambs, his most notable role.
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Post by kc on Mar 16, 2013 3:22:03 GMT -5
this was my favorite film of the year. much like a david lynch movie, pt anderson's the master is not just a film, but an experience. i've seen this three times and still dissecting the film.
milncoln, my thoughts on the ending and last few scenes. the phone call freddie received is said to be a dream, so does he really go out to England?.... freddie chooses to leave group and becomes free of his "master". freddie later picks up girl at bar, haves sex and does his own version of "processing". last scene shows freddie curled up on beach next to woman made out of sand just like in the beggining. so, did he really learn anything?
just some observations of the film. pt anderson is a true visionary.
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Post by Halloween King on Mar 16, 2013 8:56:42 GMT -5
this was my favorite film of the year. much like a david lynch movie, pt anderson's the master is not just a film, but an experience. i've seen this three times and still dissecting the film. milncoln, my thoughts on the ending and last few scenes. the phone call freddie received is said to be a dream, so does he really go out to England?.... freddie chooses to leave group and becomes free of his "master". freddie later picks up girl at bar, haves sex and does his own version of "processing". last scene shows freddie curled up on beach next to woman made out of sand just like in the beggining. so, did he really learn anything?just some observations of the film. pt anderson is a true visionary. Or for that matter, did he really live any of those experiences? Maybe he just dreamed it all while laying on the beach next to that woman made of sand? |
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