mrassbillygunn
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Post by mrassbillygunn on Apr 17, 2013 14:07:54 GMT -5
The thermometer is going to bust with the heat in this thread. Maybe i should have called this post the Hulk Hogan appreciation thread because im going to provide arguments for the Hulkster rather than against.
Ive always liked Hulk Hogan, sure when im watching my old wrestling dvds he wasn't great in the ring but i always found him entertaining. His promos were always full of energy and funny quotes and I always looked forward to his entrance whether he was a good guy or a bad guy. He was at the top of the ladder for so long making millions, he does things that makes business sense for Hulk Hogan i dont see how people can knock the guy for that.
It seems when i watch shoot interviews people are always knocking him, saying this that and the other but i cant help but think these guys are envious/jealous or just have sour grapes with Hogan. So what if he didnt pass the torch, Bret? its not like he never refused to job, he laid down for plenty of guys be it on his own terms, again i dont think you can knock him for that hes only looking out for his characters welfare. One thing i can say about Hogan, he never shoots on these wresters unless they have a dig at him and even then he does in such a professional manner in that he provides valid arguments without using all the name calling.
Then theres his family that he gets so much heat for, his son may be a spoiled brat but hows that our business? then his daughter got brought into TNA and everyone was bashing him for that but why shouldnt he? his daughter isnt doing nothing...why not bring her in make her some money and give her a job...is that awful just because hes looking after his kids? I really struggle to see where/how people get off knocking Hogan i really do. All these people who come out and criticize the guy, who are they at the end of the day and what have they done? Its lonely at the top and Hogans been there a long time and i cant help but admire the guy for it. I dont care what anyone says i like Hogan and i think he gets too much stick.
Anyway feel free to show your support or otherwise to Hogan, i look forward to reading the replies.
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Post by LeighD on Apr 17, 2013 14:13:40 GMT -5
I WANT to like Hogan. On-screen wise I think the guy is awesome and can really make the crowd pop. But outside the ring, the thing that PO's me th emost about the guy is the fact that he talks out of both sides of his mouth and says anything that will benefit him at the moment. The stuff about Savage, Nancy Benoit, Warrior, Bret, etc just makes me detest the guy.
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Post by "Living Legend" Duttanized on Apr 17, 2013 14:14:52 GMT -5
Not a fan of Brooke at all. Hulk's done a good job in TNA lately though as the GM. He brings in the press and helps get them bigger crowds.
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Post by hulkamaniac1055 on Apr 17, 2013 14:41:13 GMT -5
I'm glad someone made a thread like this.
I don't understand why people give Hulk such a hard time, and another thing about Hogan is that back in the day he worked with pretty much every heel in the WWF. You also pointed out that Hulk put people over, even though a lot of internet fans love to say he never put anyone over.
Also when Hulk came back in 2002 for a legend run he put all kinds of talent over. Triple H on the other hand never hardly lets young talent get one up on him (perfect example is WM 26 and whatever PPV he and Punk wrestled at and he beat Punk).
Another thing I would like to touch on is how nice Hulk his with the fans. I have met him 2 times and I can say that he really looks like he has a good time at autograph sessions and likes meeting his fans.
Hulk has will probably always be my favorite wrestler and I don't think he deserves a lot of the bad mouthing people gives him.
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Post by ~ Cymru ~ on Apr 17, 2013 14:54:32 GMT -5
I've always liked Hogan, I was a huge Hulkamaniac in 02, I hadn't seen any of his matches before then, but I knew, just by the vibe that this guy was incredible, I followed his career avidly from then on, reading backwards and watching as much of his stuff I could get on my computer.
I know he gets a lot of heat these days and sometimes rightly so. I do think he has a massive ego, and didnt put certain people over, or wouldn't do the return job for people, and no matter what you've done in the past you do have to realise when its someone elses go.
But I think he's come full circle now, I watched an interview with him not so long ago and I can really see Business Man Hogan, and less of the Hulkster, which I like.
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Post by Nivroâ„¢ on Apr 17, 2013 14:56:21 GMT -5
Hulk really doesnt deserve any heat. Hulk is a smart business man (for himself) which is all that matters. The people that bash the hell out of him in shoots (like Honky Tonk Man, Paul Orndorff or Ultimate Warrior for example) are the first ones to say "Oh Hogan never let anyone get his spot and always played political games"....but they're also the ones that would say "When Id look at the card, I would look for Hogans name cause then I know I would be making money that night" Simply put, if you know Hogan is going to make you money, I dont think you really care if you're the main event on the show or in the middle of the card as long as you get your share of the gate. Hating Hogan is just the "cool thing" to do so everyone jumps on it.
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Post by slappy on Apr 17, 2013 15:04:42 GMT -5
I dislike Hogan because he should have lost to Randy Orton and the BS way that he messed with Shawn Michaels. They were supposed to have another match where Shawn won but Hulk kept saying no because of his knee. HBK only agreed to put Hulk over because they were going to have another match where he won but then Hogan kept making excuses.
Hulk's matches are fun but his shadiness is what gets me.
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Post by Mr. #1derful 🇵🇸 on Apr 17, 2013 15:19:01 GMT -5
As a TNA character, Hogan's been over-exposed, brother. I don't mind seeing him every once in a while, but he should not be a focal point of the show. He literally overshadows much of the roster. Yes, he'll always get a good reaction, but he's not the star they should be dedicating TV time to. He's not wrestling every week. He's not attending house shows. He's not main eventing PPVs.
Hogan's got great camp value (Sting-mon!) but I'm just sick of seeing the guy in the spotlight.
As for Brooke, what qualifies her to be on TV? Her celebrity? Her acting ability? Her looks? She's wrestling nepotism at its worst.
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Post by xxr23 on Apr 17, 2013 16:01:39 GMT -5
I dislike Hogan because he should have lost to Randy Orton and the BS way that he messed with Shawn Michaels. They were supposed to have another match where Shawn won but Hulk kept saying no because of his knee. HBK only agreed to put Hulk over because they were going to have another match where he won but then Hogan kept making excuses. Hulk's matches are fun but his shadiness is what gets me. right casue Shawn Michaels who has also refused to put people over has room to get pissed.
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Post by Scotty on Apr 17, 2013 16:02:19 GMT -5
I'm a fan of the Hulkster. The man is the reason most of us watch wrestling, and he personified what every wrestler wants to be. The man made wrestling popular and hip, not just as the Yellow and Red superhero, but as the nWo Black and White rebel. I laugh at comments from people who say he cant wrestle. Sure hes not a technical genius, or a high flyer but he can put on a good match. For anyone who doubts that, check out some of his New Japan stuff.
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Post by slappy on Apr 17, 2013 16:09:52 GMT -5
I dislike Hogan because he should have lost to Randy Orton and the BS way that he messed with Shawn Michaels. They were supposed to have another match where Shawn won but Hulk kept saying no because of his knee. HBK only agreed to put Hulk over because they were going to have another match where he won but then Hogan kept making excuses. Hulk's matches are fun but his shadiness is what gets me. right casue Shawn Michaels who has also refused to put people over has room to get pissed. We aren't talking about 90's HBK. I'm fairly confident the only reason Kidman went over was so Hogan could trot his name out when people say he doesn't put people over.
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Post by The Natural Eddy Valintino on Apr 17, 2013 17:07:27 GMT -5
I'll say the last time I liked Hogan was 2005 when he feuded with HBK, and I turned on Hogan once HBK superkicked him. I can't say I did not like his stuff from back in the day because I was not born yet. I do not like what he does/says outside of the ring and the ridiculous stuff he says, like when he said that he and Lars Ulrich from Metallica from great buddies from before Hogan wrestled and was offered to be in Metallica, then on the Howard Stern show, Lars didn't even remember Hogan. Sure, part of the reason TNA gets a good audience on their shows is because of Hogan. I remember Scott Steiner mentioning that when Hogan was supposed to have a radio interview to promote the Lockdown PPV, Hogan barely mentioned the PPV at all. I'll never say that Hogan does not deserve praise from people due to being one of the greatest wrestlers ever.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2013 17:36:22 GMT -5
Still not a fan, but my dislike for him has dropped a little in the last year.
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Post by "The Gothic Superstar" Ronin on Apr 17, 2013 23:33:29 GMT -5
I was never a Hogan fan. By the time I was really into wrestling where I followed regularly and had favorites Hogan was kind of on his way out and I really gravitated towards Bret, who is my #1 inspiration in the business. I thought Hogan was good at what he did, talk and entertain, but couldnt really wrestle, at least here. Japan is different of course, he did wrestle more over there since it wasnt so entertainment-based like here in the States so he wasnt as restricted.
When I started to really learn about wrestling and started to get in the ring myself, things changed. I could see how Hogan positioned himself with the right people so he was able to draw as much money as he could for as long as he could, even when it sometimes meant holding down people that were arguably more talented than him.
People who bash Hogan yet talk about how him on the card made them more money arent in the wrong, its all about making money, otherwise we wouldnt do what we do, destroying our bodies night after night. But there's a point where you want to be the top guy, but when someone has the boss' ear its hard to get that opportunity and that creates resentment. And when that guy pulls power plays (Wrestlemania IX w/ Bret, Summerslam w/ Shawn) that reinforce the image he's created, it digs that proverbial hole deeper.
Im not even gonna start with TNA; Bubba (who cared he was on TV), Nasty Boys (they werent relevant or interesting since 90-91), Bischoff/Flair/Immortal (remember New Blood/Millionares Club anothe disaster), his fn daughter (who actually finds her interesting at all), Im surprised he hasnt had his trainwreck son on yet.
I will admit I am a very loyal Bret fan and take his word over others on things like this, but I can also look at things from an unbiased standpoint from my own learnings in this business. What Ive seen from Hogan throughout his career and things that have happened in certain companies, including the demise of WCW, and not just what (plenty of) people have to say about him, I think for the most part he deserves all the flack he gets.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2013 23:43:57 GMT -5
I was never a Hogan fan. I think for the most part he deserves all the flack he gets. Well someone isn't getting a call back from TNA GutCheck. LOL Anyway, you know I'm not really sure if he does. However he has said somethings along the way that were just unnecessary. I think he just needs to listen more to the fans and listen less to the critics who criticize every move he makes.
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Post by hulkamaniac1055 on Apr 17, 2013 23:55:51 GMT -5
I dislike Hogan because he should have lost to Randy Orton and the BS way that he messed with Shawn Michaels. They were supposed to have another match where Shawn won but Hulk kept saying no because of his knee. HBK only agreed to put Hulk over because they were going to have another match where he won but then Hogan kept making excuses. Hulk's matches are fun but his shadiness is what gets me. Well maybe had Shawn not took a shot at Hogan during the match with how he super sold the big boot, maybe Hulk would have put him over if Shawn would have been more professional. I have always looked at it that Shawn got what he had coming to him because in the 90's he was a major jerk backstage. Also maybe Hulk's knee really was screwed up, he did not wrestle again until a year later and we all know he has a lot of knee issues. Nobody in wrestling history ever sunk as low as HBK did at One Night Only, so yea I don't feel bad for Shawn if Hulk did play some "games" backstage. Some people act like Hogan is the only guy who plays "games" backstage, but you look at the past and every guy who has been on top does some power play games of their own.
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Post by inkboy83 on Apr 18, 2013 0:14:03 GMT -5
Hulk really doesnt deserve any heat. Hulk is a smart business man (for himself) which is all that matters. The people that bash the hell out of him in shoots (like Honky Tonk Man, Paul Orndorff or Ultimate Warrior for example) are the first ones to say "Oh Hogan never let anyone get his spot and always played political games"....but they're also the ones that would say "When Id look at the card, I would look for Hogans name cause then I know I would be making money that night" Simply put, if you know Hogan is going to make you money, I dont think you really care if you're the main event on the show or in the middle of the card as long as you get your share of the gate. Hating Hogan is just the "cool thing" to do so everyone jumps on it. This.... Not to mention wrestling is a cut throat business, dog eat dog. Hulk is just watching his ass and making his money. At the end of the day if your not over, your not over. No one is to blame. There is a reason there was a sea of Hulkamania shirts in the crowd rather than a sea of honky tonk man shirts. Hulk was Vince's bread and butter.
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Post by hulkhogancollector on Apr 18, 2013 0:16:36 GMT -5
I dislike Hogan because he should have lost to Randy Orton and the BS way that he messed with Shawn Michaels. They were supposed to have another match where Shawn won but Hulk kept saying no because of his knee. HBK only agreed to put Hulk over because they were going to have another match where he won but then Hogan kept making excuses. Hulk's matches are fun but his shadiness is what gets me. Well maybe had Shawn not took a shot at Hogan during the match with how he super sold the big boot, maybe Hulk would have put him over if Shawn would have been more professional. I have always looked at it that Shawn got what he had coming to him because in the 90's he was a major jerk backstage. Also maybe Hulk's knee really was screwed up, he did not wrestle again until a year later and we all know he has a lot of knee issues. Nobody in wrestling history ever sunk as low as HBK did at One Night Only, so yea I don't feel bad for Shawn if Hulk did play some "games" backstage. Some people act like Hogan is the only guy who plays "games" backstage, but you look at the past and every guy who has been on top does some power play games of their own. The Rock went on record never to work with HBK because of how he treated him
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Post by hulkhogancollector on Apr 18, 2013 0:23:37 GMT -5
Great thread and its nice to see someone not constantly bashing Hogan he was the reason I started watching wrestling and he was a better ring worker than given credit. Greatest pro wrestler of all time is Hulk Hogan and yes he does not deserve all the bashing he gets but neither does The Rock and we see how the IWC hates on him too.
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Post by "The Gothic Superstar" Ronin on Apr 18, 2013 0:40:03 GMT -5
I was never a Hogan fan. I think for the most part he deserves all the flack he gets. Well someone isn't getting a call back from TNA GutCheck. LOL Anyway, you know I'm not really sure if he does. However he has said somethings along the way that were just unnecessary. I think he just needs to listen more to the fans and listen less to the critics who criticize every move he makes. Nice way to sum up everything I had to say lol Im not one to kiss anyones ass to get somewhere. Like Kevin Nash said "you can either make friends or make money in this business," and friends dont pay the bills. Hell working for TNA doesnt pay the bills sometimes, ask Tara lol Hogan needs to talk less and listen more, no doubt. his time in the ring is long gone, and his time in the business overall is reaching its end. TNA needs to start putting people in charge who have a younger mindset, Hogan is out of touch, ironically just like Vince
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