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Post by Nick the Quick on Apr 19, 2013 14:01:32 GMT -5
What are some thoughts on them. I am asking this because I know someone who is fighting hard to keep his place of employment, a casino where he is a valet, from unionizing it's workers. Now, I'm no expert on unions, I don't know much about them, but the impression I have is that they are a good thing. The person who is strongly protesting them is doing so because he feels he already has enough benefits. He is also bothered by the fact that the only employees in favor of unionizing are the "lazy people" as he calls them. I know that a lot of members here are in the work force and may even deal with unions. If you can educate me more on this matter I would appreciate it. Here is a article the protester linked on his facebook account earlier today www.observer-reporter.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=%2F20130418%2FBREAKING%2F130419281#.UXGUUtzD-M8 |
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Post by slappy on Apr 19, 2013 14:04:30 GMT -5
Some are good, some are bad. Some are corrupt, some are not.
Unions that care more about job security than job performance is what I have a problem with.
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Post by T R W on Apr 19, 2013 14:07:51 GMT -5
Unions can help with some things, but they also create another set of problems as well.
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Post by Yeezy's Mullet: Team X Blades on Apr 19, 2013 14:36:18 GMT -5
I've seen the union I'm apart of do good things. I've also seen it keep the most undesirable pieces of crap employed as well. So yeah, depending on the initial purpose of the union, it can be good or bad.
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Post by JC Motors on Apr 19, 2013 17:53:47 GMT -5
I hate unions with a passion. Unions kill jobs. They killed Hostess practically. Also Unions drive up the costs of products compared with a nonunion made product. The UAW is one of them that really annoys me because they keep harassing nonunion plants owned by Toyota and Volkswagen. I also hate the UFCW as well because stores don't need unions. Also Unions tend to have corruption
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Post by Halloween King on Apr 24, 2013 22:29:34 GMT -5
I've worked non union and union jobs.
My first job was Union and I thought the Union was completely worthless. Of course I was too young to realize what I had back then. Still though I always have that doubt, what if. What if we had no Union? Would we have had the same benefits?
Then I worked a number of non Union Jobs and had no complaints. The companys I worked for took exceptional care of it's employees. I had better pay and much better benefits than in my Union job.
Then I had a job for a very short amount of time last summer. The highest paid job I've had so far. No union, but wow. There was so many things wrong with that company I quickly left. There was no respect for the employees. I was axed to do some things that are illegal, when I pointed out that what was asked of me was illegal I was told to do it or go home. I was in shock. Im not one to shy away from work but how about following the laws? Or showing your employees some kind of basic human respect? I would have loved to have been protected by a union right then.
I currently work a Union job. And im 50/50 on what to think. I could go on and on talking to you about how I hate the Union. But then I look at the company and think, this place is pretty crappy, what would it be like with out a Union?
So I'd say it all depends on the the company. If the company is good then it will be good to it's employees regaurdless of there being a Union or not. I would suggest talking to people. If you see a place you'd like to work for ask questions, do some research online, do whatever to can to inform yourself.
What im trying to say is this, first look at the company. Different situations call for different actions.
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Post by ztj_wwf on Apr 24, 2013 22:32:38 GMT -5
Unions usually do much more bad than good. We need right to work laws so that a worker can't be forced to join a union.
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Post by Wato Stan Account on Apr 24, 2013 23:28:24 GMT -5
Varies on the company and industry it's in. I mean at times I find a teacher's union to be very, very insane. They keep teachers employed who may not be actually useful, but because they have tenure they usually can't be gotten rid of.
However having worked with stage hand unions various times, they can be amazing. Some are awful but it really depends on management in place. More often than not they've been some of the best employed people around.
It varies and depends who organizes and how. I feel they're more for people who can't often represent themselves based on their education vs their employers. Which in a hotel may not be entirely bad. While he may view some as lazy, naturally they could get cut out for not being qualified(which often unions do check for), and others could be amazing workers but if they speak a different language and can't communicate well; they can be screwed.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2013 0:38:49 GMT -5
I've only dealt with the one I'm currently in and it's meh. Typical teacher union. Both sides just follow their CBA and everything is just honkey-dory. As a teacher, the unions are losing power thanks to education reform. I hate education reform and I hate overbearing unions. I'm in that happy medium area where politicians can stop telling me what to do and bad teachers (despite tenure) are weeded out of the system.
Things for my Dad, however, have been anything bud. Every job he's been laid off of was a union job. His last two were not unions and both have a history of absolutely no lay-offs whatsoever. He left the first job due to a crazy schedule, but now he's working, again at a non-union job, and it's great. It's one of the first job he's ever had were he somewhat looks forward to going to work (when you work in maintenance, what can you except?)
TL;DR - I haven't had much encounters with them, but my Dad's been screwed over by them plenty.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Apr 25, 2013 7:01:36 GMT -5
Unions are like anything else. There are pros and cons. There are good ones and bad ones. I had a job a few years back where we would've loved to have a union. That place treated workers like crap. 50-60 hour weeks. Forced overtime out the wazoo. They worked you 'til exhaustion then nit-picked your work. They constantly changed how they wanted you to do things, sometimes without warning and the standard they measured you against changed depending on who was using it and who was being measured. It was just ridiculous how poorly they treated everyone there. We really could've used a union except there was a policy on the books there that said that if you tried to organize a union it was an offense that could be punished by immediate termination. Probably not legal, but you'd have to get fired to prove it.
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