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Post by Chip on Apr 23, 2013 19:47:54 GMT -5
One of my biggest issues with current WWE is the fact that it is so incredibly predictable, it immediately turns my interest off. Example being:
William Regal on RAW
Did anyone....anyone think for even half a second that Regal would stand a chance to get a match out of Fandango, let alone last more than 1:30?
Why do they waste things like that? Is 6-7 minutes really that long? What is their problem with giving guys actual competetive wrestling matches?
Regal got a MASSIVE pop, but it was completely wasted because all that happened was a glorified squash
How does that help Fandango? How does it add ANYTHING of interest? OH yeah he beat an "old guy" in a minute....wow, never seen that before he must be the next big thing
Where did the concept of an entertaining wrestling match between 2 mid carders go? Regardless of outcome...I'm not saying put Regal over, there's no way it would make sense if they weren't going to feud. But why have him go out there and just get killed?
WWE is all about this instant gratification, they feel like their audience is so dumb and disinterested, that they can only handle 2 minutes of wrestling. Its pretty sad to be honest. They have SO much talent, but all we get on RAW are glorified squash matches, and of course the usual mid-show 20 minute match with 3 commercial breaks....so that should be "enough" I guess
Was it really like this in the Attitude era? or the post Attitude Era? I just don't ever remember a time in the RAW era that there was so much non-wrestling.
Just a thought....
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Post by Glorydaysofwrestling on Apr 23, 2013 20:14:52 GMT -5
I agree dude...its way too predictable lately. That match should have been longer...just for something different. Even if Fandango lost he still would be over...they should of haf Regal get a quick pin on him ant 7 min in...then have fandango beat the crap out of regal, until Jericho comes and makes the save. Another thing that is getting ridiculous is Jericho pretty much losing every match for a year now...sure he had a few wins but it's just so predictable every time he wrestles.
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Post by Rob on Apr 23, 2013 20:18:07 GMT -5
Its gotten so bad that i dont even match the middle portion of the show anymore. Nobody gets built up, Its just random matches thrown together to fuel the obvious winner. They have 3 hours, yet they waste it on nonsense.
This is what TNA does much better than WWE, The midcard actually means something and they give decent matches to follow leading to the main event.
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Post by Irish Wrestling Entertainment on Apr 23, 2013 23:14:33 GMT -5
WWE has been pretty crappy lately. RAW was quite good but mostly because of the awesome Shield match (this may prove your point as it was given good time). I checked out TNA last week and was impressed. First time they've ever been able to keep my attention in 10 years. Maybe give them a shot bud?
All I know is I have no faith in WWE creative, the characters are one dimensional, payoffs are non existent, the product is dumbed down and TV shows are largely missable.
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Post by Brad on Apr 24, 2013 2:39:54 GMT -5
WWE has been pretty crappy lately. RAW was quite good but mostly because of the awesome Shield match (this may prove your point as it was given good time). I checked out TNA last week and was impressed. First time they've ever been able to keep my attention in 10 years. Maybe give them a shot bud? All I know is I have no faith in WWE creative, the characters are one dimensional, payoffs are non existent, the product is dumbed down and TV shows are largely missable. I agree and honestly I hate that I do. I've spent years defending this company but even I, a glass half full kinda guy, am beyond tired of the product for the exact reasons you mentioned. The ONLY reason I keep watching is out of fear of missing that rare awesome moment and of course being able to be active and contribute here. Said it before and ill say it again. WWE has a wealth of talent and they are totally wasting it. TNA on the other hand has been consistently entertaining and I'd encourage everyone to lay aside your ideas about them and give it another shot. I used to shoot them down and now I look forward to Impact more than anything WWE is doing. |
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Post by IRS on Apr 24, 2013 2:57:13 GMT -5
Yes, I do wish they would stop wasting opportunities. But the thing is, WWE doesn't care about WRESTLING anymore. They want to be an "entertainment" company, they want to be popular, they want to fit in, and be cool. Until that philosophy changes WWE will keep giving us crap. I have never been one to be overly-critical of the WWE, but ti doesn't take a genius to see that what WWE is giving us on a weekly basis is one big cluster  . |
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Post by Brad on Apr 24, 2013 3:07:37 GMT -5
But the thing is, WWE doesn't care about WRESTLING anymore. They want to be an "entertainment" company This is my biggest issue. It makes me sad more so than angry that a company I've loved since I was a child, who despite their mishaps of questionable storlines and gimmicks along the way, have historically put out a good product even in down times (93-96), is a shell of their former self. I fear for the future of wrestling if something doesn't change and I don't say that for dramatic effect, I mean it. WWE has managed to make me, a constant defender and someone who looks for the positive, run out of reasons to defend them. I mean I think the fact that Daniel Bryan has went on record saying he doesn't consider WWE to be wrestling, speaks volumes. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2013 11:46:01 GMT -5
100% agree. The segment you mentioned in particular was a prime example. It was in England... everyone was backing Regal. So wouldn't it make sense to give him and Fandango 5-10 minutes of back and forth action, reminding us what a tough SOB Regal is, before Fandango beats him and A) pisses off the fans and B) looks good for beating a tough veteran like Regal.
Instead, Regal looked like a washed-up joke on an opponent who can't compete with a ballroom dancer... JBL was all like 'Wow, Fandango just beat someone as tough as Regal in no time at all blah blah blah.' No, that's not how it came across. A hard-fought, competitive match where a brawler like Regal got some wicked shots in would have made Fandango look the real deal.
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Post by Chip on Apr 24, 2013 12:24:28 GMT -5
WWE's focus has been sooooo much on "entertainment" that they forgot wrestling matches could actually be entertaining.
Thus then, if they actually rolled out quality stuff more frequently it would create, said "entertainment" they so desire
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Post by The Undertaker on Apr 24, 2013 12:41:18 GMT -5
The easiest way to deal with it is to sit down, watch RAW, and enjoy it for what it is.
You shouldn't be surprised by these things anymore, they've been happening for forever.
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Post by Infinite on Apr 24, 2013 12:49:14 GMT -5
WWE are just getting so many big things so fundamentally wrong from a show quality and writing/booking standpoint right now it's pretty ridiculous. Guess it's time to give TNA yet another chance, not getting my hopes up on that front though.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2013 12:52:07 GMT -5
I feel like the problem is that the WWE doesn't realize who most of their audience is. When I went to Axxess and WM, I couldn't believe the amount of people there that had to be 18-40 years old and didn't have kids with them. I believe that this is a large segment of their audience and to me so much of their content (wrestling wise) is geared towards a much younger audience. It's just watered down, bland and the worst crime is that its predictable.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2013 12:53:06 GMT -5
Hate to beat a dead horse but...
WWE has been sucking for quite some time now. The road to Wrestlemania was the worst I could ever remember. Not to mention the show didn't deliver in the slightest.
If they won't put time and effort into their biggest show of the year then there is little hope for anything else.
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Post by Nick the Quick on Apr 24, 2013 13:00:37 GMT -5
WWE seems to just be phoning it in lately. I've watched since 1997 and I feel this may be the least interested I've been since then. There isn't much develop and most of the show just appears to be random stuff thrown out there. WrestleMania suffered because the only focused on three matches, all of predictable outcomes. They aren't building up new stars, which is going to be a huge problem when Cena isn't around anymore.
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Post by punksnotdead on Apr 24, 2013 13:05:49 GMT -5
I'm going to ask a question because this has been brought up, is WWE really that entertaining? If they are trying so hard to be an "entertainment company," shouldn't they be working hard on trying to tell us interesting stories?
We have Brock vs Triple H, we have Cena vs Ryback, and we have the Shield vs Hell No. I love being entertained by pro wrestling, through segments or wrestling, but WWE doesn't seem to be trying very hard outside of those major angles. I think Fandango is great, and his feud with Jericho is moving slowly but surely I guess, but what are these guys fighting about still?
Ultimately, I don't care if guys do go out and have squash matches as long as there is some kind of motivation to said squash match. Everything feels very meaningless and that to me is WWE's biggest problem.
And while I enjoy seeing people turned on to TNA, the ratings are down. The product is more entertaining than WWE imo, has been for awhile, but people aren't really watching. Maybe that has to do with the UK viewership currently having their attention on WWE right now, I'm not sure. AJ's story is really building well and entertaining as hell, Aces and 8's is shaken up enough each week that it stays fresh, and anything involving the X-Division right now seems to be exciting. Characters come in and out and guys like Aries and Roode and Bad Influence can have absolutely nothing going on and make you feel like something is going on at any time. TNA is to the point where I feel like 2 hours isn't enough, which is just right imo. This isn't about TNA though, but they do make me care about a lot of guys throughout the course of one show. Which is what I wish WWE would try and do more.
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Post by DMO™ on Apr 24, 2013 13:45:51 GMT -5
Nothing is going to change for the better with Vince still calling the shots.
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Post by Flair Forever on Apr 25, 2013 3:10:23 GMT -5
The storytelling has been severely lacking ever since 2011, when they did the whole Punk/WWE Title scenario....
Seems like they abandoned any type of storytelling when they brought back The Rock. Guess they couldn't work good stories around his sporadic schedule? Same for Lesnar....
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2013 5:58:05 GMT -5
100% agree. The segment you mentioned in particular was a prime example. It was in England... everyone was backing Regal. So wouldn't it make sense to give him and Fandango 5-10 minutes of back and forth action, reminding us what a tough SOB Regal is, before Fandango beats him and A) pisses off the fans and B) looks good for beating a tough veteran like Regal. Instead, Regal looked like a washed-up joke on an opponent who can't compete with a ballroom dancer... JBL was all like 'Wow, Fandango just beat someone as tough as Regal in no time at all blah blah blah.' No, that's not how it came across. A hard-fought, competitive match where a brawler like Regal got some wicked shots in would have made Fandango look the real deal. great post.you really nailed it there chief. |
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Post by Brad on Apr 25, 2013 11:27:13 GMT -5
The easiest way to deal with it is to sit down, watch RAW, and enjoy it for what it is. You shouldn't be surprised by these things anymore, they've been happening for forever. Or not. I've used that defense for a long time now. I'm done. There is no excuse for their lack of booking the entire card and severe lack of actual creativity. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2013 11:34:18 GMT -5
100% agree. The segment you mentioned in particular was a prime example. It was in England... everyone was backing Regal. So wouldn't it make sense to give him and Fandango 5-10 minutes of back and forth action, reminding us what a tough SOB Regal is, before Fandango beats him and A) pisses off the fans and B) looks good for beating a tough veteran like Regal. Instead, Regal looked like a washed-up joke on an opponent who can't compete with a ballroom dancer... JBL was all like 'Wow, Fandango just beat someone as tough as Regal in no time at all blah blah blah.' No, that's not how it came across. A hard-fought, competitive match where a brawler like Regal got some wicked shots in would have made Fandango look the real deal. great post.you really nailed it there chief. Thanks matey. The other thing that is slightly annoying is that even the one lengthy match we do get each week, the guy's seem to be wrestling every match the same... it's almost like they're treating each episode of RAW as a house show and acting like the audience hasn't already seen this match. Jericho/ Ziggler was a prime example of that. |
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