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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2013 18:37:49 GMT -5
Alright first off I hated the first Amazing Spider-Man. I couldnt stand douchey Andrew Garfield. Lets face it, Peter Parker is a nerd! Thats the characters mythos, and I feel like Amazing Spider-Man is trying to change it. I get that Spider-Man is a bit of a douche, but I think they go overboard in this movie. In my opinion Andrew Garfield just does not look the part, he's just way to handsome (no homo) and cool looking to play a nerdy Peter Parker. I liked the original movie series a whole lot better. The casting was a crap ton better and just the origin story was a lot better. I feel like The Amazing Spider-Man has a watered down origin story with some new elements that we havent seen in a Spider-Man movie. In the original you could just feel the emotion that Peter was going through, AND I LOVED THAT! Tobey Maguires performance was great, you could tell he could fit in as a geniune nerd and looked the part to. Andrew on the other hand just reminds me of a popular douche that you seen in high schools across the world. And one more thing here is Mary Jane. Alright so im just talking about the comparison of who looks more like the character Kirsten Dunst or the new Shailene Woodley. New Mary Jane (Shailene Woodley)  Old Mary Jane (Kirsten Dunst)  Mary Jane in her first appearence  Your idea on this? |
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Post by IRS on May 12, 2013 19:02:03 GMT -5
I stopped reading after "Tobey Maguire's performance was great."
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Post by Robert69 on May 12, 2013 19:16:04 GMT -5
Yeah, no. I disagree entirely. Raimi's SM movies made Peter Parker out to be a whiney high school girl and at his most B.A. was an emo hip-thrusting joke.
ASM at least asked us to take the character half seriously, and I bought that he was willing and able to beat some ass. The ASM Universe is willing to give us villains and characters we never got to see, or at least good versions of. And Kirsten Dunst is terrible. Just terrible. Hardly better than Megan Fox -- who's at least attractive. Dunst's best performance was 'Interview' and she was pre-pubescent.
A half-assed rogues' gallery, MJ, Gwen and that TERRIBLE Venom ruined the greatness that was Norman/GG, Doc Ock and Sandman...Raimi's first 2 movies are worth watching. ASM, so far, is the closest we've gotten to a worthwhile live-action Spidey flick, and I loved it. I actually liked it better than 'Rises' last year.
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Post by Suckasays on May 12, 2013 19:23:09 GMT -5
Worst thing about Raimis Spider-Man...power ranger green goblin
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Post by noir on May 12, 2013 20:16:46 GMT -5
I honestly can't see how anyone enjoyed amazing spider man. It was at times, laughably bad. Yes Raimi's was camp but it was self aware in doing so. ASM aimed for something which I guess was meant to be more gritty, but making all your characters douchebags doesn't translate to grit. I am not well read on the source material to say which film did what better. I have read the ultimate series and I felt ASM was closer but it didn't make it a better film. Bottom line for me is Raimi's was stupid and fun, Webb's was stupid, drab and annoying.
And yeah I hated Garfield. Granted, the script was weak anyway. By a certain point I was more empathetic towards flash because of the way their interactions were written. Still, Garfield has as much charisma as a sponge. Not sure how i was meant to buy him being a loser either when he had perfect hair and did photography - he'd be a ladykiller at any high school. Tobey was an endearing, bumbling geek which is what I think worked better regardless of which was more true to character.
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Post by deskjet on May 12, 2013 20:26:19 GMT -5
Each spiderman movie was good in its own right. I preferred Amazing spiderman though
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2013 21:03:45 GMT -5
I just hate the idea that just because being a dark gritting movie worked for the Nolan Batman movies, that Spider-Man needed to be dark and gritty. It didn't work in my opinion. And the movie was just terribly cast. Not saying the actors in the movie were bad. Just they werent right or the roles.
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Post by A Flair for the Gold on May 12, 2013 21:19:47 GMT -5
i haven't watched it yet, it's on my DVR though, lol. i'm impartial to bonesaw mcgraw/randy savage though, if that makes a difference, LOL.
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Post by Boy Wonder on May 12, 2013 21:21:16 GMT -5
Tobey Dumpface Macguire was awful. The new guy is so much better suited.
And if you think Kirsten Dunst is better looking than the new girl you are blind.
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Post by Robert69 on May 12, 2013 21:50:14 GMT -5
Tobey Dumpface Macguire was awful. The new guy is so much better suited. And if you think Kirsten Dunst is better looking than the new girl you are blind. For real. Cause this girl is adorable -- and gorgeous.  |
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Post by J12 on May 12, 2013 22:25:55 GMT -5
I loved Raimi's movies (well, I loved the first two and enjoyed the third to a certain extent) and I loved The Amazing Spider-Man. I'm fine with this new series, both in terms of development and casting.
Shailene Woodley is an interesting choice to play Mary Jane. She's a great actress when given a half decent script to work with. If you were to watch her in The Secret Life of the American Teenager, you'd probably wonder how she ever got a part in any film ever, but, she was quite charming in The Descendants.
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Post by Tye Hyll on May 12, 2013 23:13:43 GMT -5
Okay So I liked TASM more than the original Spiderman movie and I liked that one. Peter Parker is a pretty big douchebag and I dont think they made him ENOUGH of a smart ass. Lets be real, if a nerd that was always picked on and the butt of a joke finally got some sort of power they would probably flaunt it a bit.
TASM captured a modern day nerd pretty well. I haven't been in high school in awhile but I remember being a smart ass and playing on a computer NOT making you a popular kid, usually you had to act like a ghetto piece of trash to be considered cool.
This wasn't "dark and gritty" holy crap that term is almost more over used than "epic" it was just more faithful to the source material. Also the new Mary Jane is better, her on set pics havent looked amazing but I mean the idea behind MJ is she is an everyday girl. Not the hottest girl in school. From what I recall in Ultimates she wasnt very much desired by anyone but Peter.
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Post by Mike Giggs' Munchies on May 13, 2013 4:29:22 GMT -5
I loved Raimi's movies (well, I loved the first two and enjoyed the third to a certain extent) and I loved The Amazing Spider-Man. I'm fine with this new series, both in terms of development and casting. This. |
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2013 4:56:03 GMT -5
I was put off watching it as I wasn't a fan of a reboot but I really enjoyed it. I thought Garfield did a good job and it did seem like the Spider-Man in comics and the early animated series. It will be interesting to see where they take the Amazing Spider-Man 2.
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Post by MacReady on May 13, 2013 8:46:28 GMT -5
Spider-man 3 sullied my opinion of Tobey as Spider-man; so because of that, I welcomed Garfield when he was cast; and enjoy him quite a bit more as Spider-man AND Peter Parker.
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Post by punksnotdead on May 13, 2013 9:31:19 GMT -5
Spider-man 3 sullied my opinion of Tobey as Spider-man; so because of that, I welcomed Garfield when he was cast; and enjoy him quite a bit more as Spider-man AND Peter Parker. Exactly, the OP kept using the word douche but if you saw Spider-man 3 then you saw all of Tobey, Dunst, Franco, and especially Topher Grace live up to douche with douche sauce. I mean Spider-man did a dance number. That's not "campy," that's just dogsh*t. They absolutely destroyed Venoms character. Garfield nails the way Spider-man has been portrayed in comics over the last 10 or so years imo. Maybe you don't like how the character evolved but I think Garfield got it. Mary Jane is a 10. So if Spider-man doesn't have some charm, whit and sex appeal then how the hell is he supposed to get the hottest girl he knows? It's the Clark Kent theory. Yeah, on the surface he looks plenty geeky, but when he's in that costume he's a hero. It's like a wrestler being a loner and kind of an outcast but when he steps in the ring he becomes CM Punk. Raimi didn't capture that at all because Maguire was terrible for the part imo. And Kirsten Dunst, ha! She's the most homely looking MJW in history. They got her casting so wrong it's not even funny. Spider-man 1 and 2 are fine, mostly 2 imo. However, we've moved forward. Those films don't hold up to me anymore. ASM made them outdated attempts of a film trilogy that I thought stumbled plenty along the way. It doesn't matter though, Tobey Maguire and Kirsten Dunst are never going to be in a Spider-man movie ever again. I'm looking forward to ASM2, should be great. |
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2013 10:12:55 GMT -5
I didn't really care for Amazing Spider-Man at all but it had nothing to do with the performances.
I just felt Raimi's version told the story better.
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Post by Parchandri on May 13, 2013 10:13:20 GMT -5
I just hate the idea that just because being a dark gritting movie worked for the Nolan Batman movies, that Spider-Man needed to be dark and gritty. It didn't work in my opinion. And the movie was just terribly cast. Not saying the actors in the movie were bad. Just they werent right or the roles. Wait... The Amazing Spider-man was dark and gritty? I must have watched a different movie with the same exact title. |
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Post by Quanthor on May 13, 2013 10:30:14 GMT -5
I didn't care for it much either. Garfield had this disheveled cool guy vibe about him and he was dating the hottest girl in school. That didn't click for me. Also the humor was painfully generic. Meatloaf jokes and the father/daughter awkwardness made me think I watching a bad TGIF sitcom. It certainly wasn't the worst movie, but it's popularity surprised me.
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Post by Jacob on May 13, 2013 10:39:39 GMT -5
I agree and disagree with the main post and I've always held Spider-Man 2 as one of my all time favourite Marvel movies, however, I really enjoyed TASM, it had what Raimi's movies needed, character building and to anybody who's seen 500 Days of Summer will know that is one of Marc Webb's strong points. By the end of the movie, I felt like the characters mattered, okay, people argue that the thing with the cranes was a bit silly but so are aliens coming out of a worm hole above Manhattan and a man being frozen in time for 75 years. It's a comic book movie, it's meant to be silly!
I also think that TASM2 is going to be one of next summers biggest movies.
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