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Post by Revy on May 23, 2013 21:40:42 GMT -5
Strangely, one of my, if not my favorite tag teams ever, is Stone Cold and HBK. Very Very Very shortly lived, but I was really into the angle. So they win the titles and then have to face each other at King of the Ring '97 and that match ends in a double DQ. I think Austin was originally suppose to face Pillman and HBK was suppose to face Bret Hart, but due to Hart's knee, they had to make a change.
After rewatching the match, Vince makes note that they certainly must have gained respect for each other afterwards. So I wonder where this team/angle was headed. What would have happened if HBK and Bret wouldn't have really gotten into it in the back which resulted with HBK taking time off? Would Stone Cold and HBK learn to co-exist, would they have had a lengthy reign? Would that have changed the course of other angles? (HBK as Special Ref and Austin vs Owen at SummerSlam) (Dude Love?)
All I know is that this was a big angle that didnt get to play out. At least I think so.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2013 23:45:38 GMT -5
I thought they were great as a tag team and their match against Owen/Bulldog on Raw along with their match against each other at King of the Ring 1997 are both top notch.
Interesting to think of how things would have played out if Bret Hart vs. Shawn Michaels actually happened at King of the Ring 1997 since Bret was booked to go over in 10 minutes or less or whatever it was.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2013 5:50:38 GMT -5
yes this is an interesting one.
if this angle had of played out to its fullest extent?I think Summer 97 would have been different.not in bad way either.
fact of the matter is that HBK considered being in a team angle an absolutely SAVAGE demotion and kicked up about it nightly.so its unlikely it would have lasted......
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Post by mikey1974 on May 24, 2013 16:32:39 GMT -5
yes this is an interesting one. if this angle had of played out to its fullest extent?I think Summer 97 would have been different.not in bad way either. fact of the matter is that HBK considered being in a team angle an absolutely SAVAGE demotion and kicked up about it nightly.so its unlikely it would have lasted...... which proves how much of an idiot he was back then. or the drugs doing their work. cause it was huge,red-hot storyline,and HBK was working with arguably the hottest guy in the WWF at the time. one thing I think definitely would've changed is Michaels would've been on the USA team for the Calgary Stampede match. |
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2013 17:27:30 GMT -5
yes Mikey great point.
that could only have improved this already GREAT match.Goldust being in there irritated me daily until about 2001.
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Post by Lithium on May 24, 2013 23:18:32 GMT -5
yes this is an interesting one. if this angle had of played out to its fullest extent?I think Summer 97 would have been different.not in bad way either. fact of the matter is that HBK considered being in a team angle an absolutely SAVAGE demotion and kicked up about it nightly.so its unlikely it would have lasted...... Although the Hell in a Cell match may have never came about since Shawn wouldn't be a ref and cost 'Taker the match at SS ''97. So there wouldn't have been a hot feud between Shawn and 'Taker to have a Hell in Cell blowoff match.  |
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Post by mikey1974 on May 25, 2013 6:05:51 GMT -5
I can see it altering history quite a bit,actually. some of my own thoughts about what MIGHT have happened:
like you said,HBK doesn't become the ref for SummerSlam,so likely no feud with Taker.
I see him betraying Stone Cold in his forming DX with Triple H and Chyna
Bret doesn't leave. HBK beats Austin in the first Hell in a Cell to become the #1 contender.
Bret beats HBK at Survivor Series. Austin wins the Rumble.
Austin beats Hart at WrestleMania 14 for the title. HBK beats Owen Hart for the IC title. DX vs Hart Foundation feud in Spring 1998.
eventually they build to Austin vs HBK feud again,this time for the WWF Championship,maybe for SummerSlam 1998?
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2013 6:35:03 GMT -5
some good notions here.not having the HBK vs UT feud would have changed things substantiallyHBKs back injury for one.......BUT Bret was always going....I don't seeing this changing.Mcmahon would still have pulled the rug on that contract.
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Post by mikey1974 on May 25, 2013 7:17:44 GMT -5
well,that could also work in the respect of:
do everything I said,but have the Montreal screwjob still take place. then it's still HBK vs Austin at Mania 14,and adds the extra storyline of Austin finally getting revenge over Michaels for his betrayal in the summer of 1997,which might work better cause they'll have that history to play off on. one thing I think the WWF dropped the ball on in 1998 was NOT playing up the fact that HBK and Austin were once partners and Tag champs together. they glossed over all that on the road to Mania 14. then DX with HBK,HHH,Chyna,X-Pac,and the NAO feud with the Nation of Domination in the summer of 1998 like originally happened. only with HBK as part of the group.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2013 7:43:49 GMT -5
yes excellent.....and HHH turns on HBK and the group to join the Corperate Team.
HBK could have remained as the leader of the super over DX.absolutely nothing about his character need have changed.
1)Rock still becomes champ at SS98 and feuds with Foley
2)Austin still feuds with UT/McMahon and squares off agsint Rock at WM15
3)HHH feuds with HBK to continue his heel build and heat
4)DX still feuds with the Corperate squad.
all this would depend on HBK being a good boy though.....
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Post by Revy on May 27, 2013 11:52:13 GMT -5
yes excellent.....and HHH turns on HBK and the group to join the Corperate Team. HBK could have remained as the leader of the super over DX.absolutely nothing about his character need have changed. 1)Rock still becomes champ at SS98 and feuds with Foley 2)Austin still feuds with UT/McMahon and squares off agsint Rock at WM15 3)HHH feuds with HBK to continue his heel build and heat 4)DX still feuds with the Corperate squad. all this would depend on HBK being a good boy though..... This would have been awesome. Have HHH align himself and Chyna with the Corporation just like they did in 99, but have him cost HBK a chance at the title instead of jumping X-Pac. Ohhhh the what ifs that could of happened had Shawn not gotten hurt and laid off the pills. |
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Post by PenguinDeluxe on May 27, 2013 11:57:43 GMT -5
Of course, had Shawn not gotten hurt and retired, he may have never cleaned up until it was too late.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2013 12:35:19 GMT -5
very true....
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Post by Captain McKay on May 28, 2013 19:09:37 GMT -5
Just the notion of no HIAC really throws me off. To me, HIAC IS a match that needed Undertaker in its debut offerings. It fit him so well, particularly at that time. Plus, it worked perfectly in debuting Kane, which was huge at the time. I don't know how else they could have done that and had it be as effective as it was.
Otherwise, some very interesting scenarios here!
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