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Post by HHH316 on May 28, 2013 2:14:38 GMT -5
We all saw the match that he's being set up for at Payback.
How would you feel if Jericho "did the unthinkable" & aligned himself with Heyman? What if Heyman turned on Punk for walking out on Raw & this was his revenge? Obviously Y2J doesn't need a mouthpiece, but neither did Punk. If Jericho were sticking around, I think he could be a fun wrinkle to his character. Clearly there is no current direction for him. If he were to stick around for a while, I bet it could work.
Thoughts?
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2013 8:30:38 GMT -5
I HATE the way feud's are set up now in WWE, it all seem's so rushed and there is no real motive behind the majority, it's just like 'Oh hey, what's Y2J doing for Payback...Nothing? Okay well let's just do a random unprovoked Highlight Reel segmant where he targets Punk'. Sure, the whole Y2J wanting to call himself 'The Best In The World' thing is there but it really is a stupid and rushed fued. For that reason I would not like this dude, I want Y2J to stick around but not if he is going to be put in these kind of feud's. At least with Fandango, there was a spark about his name which ignited the 'Who's the better dancer?' thing. However... Y2J v Punk should be a classic like their previous ACTUAL feud.
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on May 28, 2013 8:33:52 GMT -5
Yeah I don't understand this feud at all. It's just Wrestlemania 28 role reversal. Jericho is the face now and Punk is the heel. We already had the battle for who was Best in the World and CM Punk won by successfully defending the WWE Championship at Wrestlemania 28.
I'd actually rather CM Punk be out LONGER if it meant bringing him back in a better way...this whole thing with Jericho seems so random and rushed.
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Post by Triple S on May 28, 2013 8:36:16 GMT -5
I still think we're gonna get Jericho/Axel at Payback. Punk will "no show", which will be his face turn. Going against Heyman's agreement for the match.
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on May 28, 2013 8:44:41 GMT -5
I still think we're gonna get Jericho/Axel at Payback. Punk will "no show", which will be his face turn. Going against Heyman's agreement for the match. I know WWE always has the "card subject to change" backdoor....but if they promote Chris Jericho vs. CM Punk on PPV for an event taking place in Chicago with the predetermined intention of having CM Punk never appear at the event....thaaaaaaaat's going to piss everybody off and it would be a really dirty business tactic. |
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Post by James on May 28, 2013 8:44:59 GMT -5
I'm hoping that it is Brock lesnar that comes out and not punk,
In all seriousness, I know that Curtis axel will have a part in the match between punk and Jericho and prob lead to a punk face turn
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Post by Triple S on May 28, 2013 9:07:10 GMT -5
I still think we're gonna get Jericho/Axel at Payback. Punk will "no show", which will be his face turn. Going against Heyman's agreement for the match. I know WWE always has the "card subject to change" backdoor....but if they promote Chris Jericho vs. CM Punk on PPV for an event taking place in Chicago with the predetermined intention of having CM Punk never appear at the event....thaaaaaaaat's going to piss everybody off and it would be a really dirty business tactic. "Dirty business tactic"? It's creating a story and building characters. Sorry for quoting this, but I legit JUST read this other thread and figured it goes against what you're saying. Well, if they don't care about you with what you are currently doing, then you turning is not going to have any emotional impact on the fans because they weren't with you or against you in the first place. If Vince McMahon is looking to make a change to Daniel Bryan, for whatever reason, and the fans love Daniel Bryan...then turning him heel and having him go against the fans who love him is going to really anger and emotionally affect the fans, which is the reaction you WANT from a heel turn. You wanna tell me that Punk no showing in Chicago and instead Axel coming out isn't going to garner this guy some major heat? Especially when/if he beats Jericho non-cleanly? You talk about the crowd not caring, which when it comes to Curtis Axel so far... they don't. A 'stunt' like this would get Heyman and Axel some huge heat. Fans want Punk, you tease Punk and toss Axel out instead. They'll boo the hell out of him. |
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on May 28, 2013 9:16:10 GMT -5
I know WWE always has the "card subject to change" backdoor....but if they promote Chris Jericho vs. CM Punk on PPV for an event taking place in Chicago with the predetermined intention of having CM Punk never appear at the event....thaaaaaaaat's going to piss everybody off and it would be a really dirty business tactic. "Dirty business tactic"? It's creating a story and building characters. Sorry for quoting this, but I legit JUST read this other thread and figured it goes against what you're saying. Well, if they don't care about you with what you are currently doing, then you turning is not going to have any emotional impact on the fans because they weren't with you or against you in the first place. If Vince McMahon is looking to make a change to Daniel Bryan, for whatever reason, and the fans love Daniel Bryan...then turning him heel and having him go against the fans who love him is going to really anger and emotionally affect the fans, which is the reaction you WANT from a heel turn. You wanna tell me that Punk no showing in Chicago and instead Axel coming out isn't going to garner this guy some major heat? Especially when/if he beats Jericho non-cleanly? You talk about the crowd not caring, which when it comes to Curtis Axel so far... they don't. A 'stunt' like this would get Heyman and Axel some huge heat. Fans want Punk, you tease Punk and toss Axel out instead. They'll boo the hell out of him. You don't get it, bro. Having a wrestler come out on TV and try and hurt your feelings is one thing. BLATANTLY FALSE ADVERTISING something people would be paying a lot of money for,...that's on a whole different level. Vince McMahon and Triple H will be the first ones to tell you that it would be a bad move for business because your fan base would no longer trust you and they would no longer feel comfortable spending money on your product because they can't trust if you are going to deliver what you advertise anymore. |
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Post by Triple S on May 28, 2013 9:26:27 GMT -5
Okay 'bro', whatever you say. Out of my 20+ years of watching wrestling from numerous promotions, I "don't get" the entertainment part of the business.
It's wrestling. Nobody is going to "not trust" a company for planning a fake match, to further a storyline and a new character. It's one thing to advertise a match and just say "Now that's not happening". It's another when you have it being a part of the show and the overall story you're telling.
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on May 28, 2013 9:39:31 GMT -5
Okay 'bro', whatever you say. Out of my 20+ years of watching wrestling from numerous promotions, I "don't get" the entertainment part of the business. It's wrestling. Nobody is going to "not trust" a company for planning a fake match, to further a storyline and a new character. It's one thing to advertise a match and just say "Now that's not happening". It's another when you have it being a part of the show and the overall story you're telling. Yeah, you DON'T get it. They aren't going to make a bad business decision. It's the same reason why when you buy tickets to a house show that John Cena is advertised to be at and if he's not there for some reason you have until the end of the first match to get a refund. If they advertise CM Punk, sell PPV's and tickets to people expecting CM Punk....there's going to be backlash. People are going to want there money back, and this is not the way you want to go about angering your fan base. You could have CM Punk show up, walk to the ring, then appear to have "second thoughts" and leave the ring and force Paul Heyman to use Axel as a replacement....but a straight up no show is NOT an option. So you can sit there and tout your 20+ years of sitting on your ass watching wrestling making you think like you know it all...but business comes first, and Vince and Triple H are not going to make a bad business decision. I mean, Jesus Christ, PAUL HEYMAN never did something like that in ECW. Paul Heyman NEVER lied to the fans, and if somebody wasn't going to be there, like when Sabu took more money to work a show in Japan on a date he had committed to ECW, Paul told the fans straight up that Sabu felt that extra money was more important than fulfilling his obligations to the ECW fans that night....he didn't try and do an angle to save face, and Paul CERTAINLY never booked a guy with the intention of not using him. Injuries, emergencies, unforeseen circumstances occur where you've advertised a guy and don't have him...but you would NEVER false advertise like that. It just DOESN'T happen, not even in wrestling. |
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Post by J12 on May 28, 2013 9:57:45 GMT -5
I thought the set-up was pretty terrible. It seemed obvious to me that they were working toward Jericho/Axel to give Axel his first actual win, but then things took a sharp turn for seemingly no reason.
If that's the way Punk comes back, it really is about as uneventful as it gets. On one hand, I'm happy to see him back, on the other, I think it's a huge wasted opportunity.
I agree that you can't just have Punk completely no show, but, I would prefer to see Heyman come out at Payback, claim Punk is not there, and have Jericho face Axel instead. Punk can return after the match is over, presumably to start a program against the Heyman guys.
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Post by Triple S on May 28, 2013 9:58:57 GMT -5
Never said I "know it all", but I definitely understand how a show works. It's no different than advertising a match on RAW that then turns into a tag team match, or the heel walks out. Nobody runs to Customer Service demanding "I paid my money to see so and so face so and so".
Although to build the story more, I could see Punk doing the second thought thing. Adds more to it. Either way, I doubt we'll be getting a match between Jericho and Punk at Payback. Instead, another big match for Curtis Axel to win uncleanly.
By your logic, though... that'd be falsely advertising Punk/Jericho and not getting it.
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Post by Triple S on May 28, 2013 10:03:45 GMT -5
WAIT!
Did you actually think I meant he'd no show the show? It's why I put it in quotes. I could definitely see Heyman come out, looking frustrated and concerned... only to announce Punk wasn't there (which would garner boo's) and then announce Axel as his replacement (more boo's). Axel gets another cheap win over a fan favorite, which would give him even more heat.
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Post by Edge618 on May 28, 2013 10:31:08 GMT -5
I could see Axel replacing Punk, but I still think Punk will appear at the PPV. Maybe he comes out after Axel defeats Jericho and gives him a handshake, only for Punk to GTS him. This starts the destruction of Heyman's partnership with Punk, fuels a Punk face turn, and eventually leads to Punk vs. Lesnar at Summer Slam.
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Post by punksnotdead on May 28, 2013 10:41:35 GMT -5
I think it'll be Axel vs Jericho. Going into the PPV, that will be the advertised match. Still plenty of time to develop that story. Punk might do a run-in. Still too soon to bring him back though if it's really for no reason imo. I think Punk returning at SummerSlam would be wild. The longer we wait, the more it will mean. Brock vs Punk is what I'd like to see come out of all of this personally. Although, there is something to be said for a stable of Brock, CA, and Punk. If Payback wasn't in Chicago, I think there would be no doubt we would be getting Axel vs Jericho after what we saw last night. So that's how I'm looking at it. Heyman doesn't know what is going on with Punk, which is the whole point of having a new client imo.
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Post by elbowdrops on May 28, 2013 11:18:29 GMT -5
Chicago fans would burn the arena to the ground if wwe baited and switched CM Punk with someone else lol
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Post by J12 on May 28, 2013 11:27:34 GMT -5
Chicago fans would burn the arena to the ground if wwe baited and switched CM Punk with someone else lol Not if Punk shows up after the match. The key here is that Punk more or less has to be at Payback, but he doesn't have to work the match. |
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Post by HHH316 on May 28, 2013 14:39:23 GMT -5
Punk there or not, they'll sell out. They always sell out. Chicago fans would be pissed if Punk wasn't there, but they'd get over it pretty quick. We'd probably hear astrong "we want Punk" chant during that match and/or the divas match. But I agree it would get some great heat of Axel. Even as a Chicago guy, I'd prefer Punk not appear at the PPV. He really needs to take off some extended time, then when he comes back, blows the doors of the place.
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Post by Kanenite on May 28, 2013 15:00:02 GMT -5
I have a feeling we will get Axel/Jericho too which kinda sucks because I would of loved to see Jericho and Punk tear it down on a PPV without any "Will Punk DQ himself" angles, or an Extreme Rules match (although that was a good match).
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