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Post by cordless2016 on May 30, 2013 19:45:50 GMT -5
So one of the "facts" that I constantly hear from he IWC is that when Goldberg signed w/ the WWE, his contract required a World Title run. My question is is this true? I've never seen any actual evidence from anyone and unless someone has a copy of Goldberg's contract, this is obviously false. Vince has made many stupid decisions, but rumors like Big Show and Goldberg being guaranteed World Title reigns sounds too stupid even for Vince.
Anyone know where this rumor came from?
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Post by fearofdread on May 30, 2013 19:56:33 GMT -5
Where did it come from? The same place as every other "contract" rumor... "backstage sources in the wwf/wwe" which are always wrong.
Goldberg came back because they paid him a lot of money and promised he'd be one of the top stars/earners while he was there. That is the only reason he came back and the reason he left again.
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Post by PenguinDeluxe on May 30, 2013 20:06:55 GMT -5
Well, he did have a world title reign, so it seems plausible. Apparently Lesnar has the same clause in his contract now too. We will see if that's the case.
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Post by Scotty on May 30, 2013 20:08:31 GMT -5
Never heard of this TBH
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Post by The Sexy Psychotic on May 31, 2013 4:55:34 GMT -5
It makes sense, I always thought that was something they used to get him.
Plus I've read numerous times that Big Show's original actually had written in he'd Main Event WrestleMania 16, which is why even before WM15 had happened Austin/Show was pencilled in as the Main Event of WM16
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Post by mikey1974 on May 31, 2013 5:41:48 GMT -5
It makes sense, I always thought that was something they used to get him. Plus I've read numerous times that Big Show's original actually had written in he'd Main Event WrestleMania 16, which is why even before WM15 had happened Austin/Show was pencilled in as the Main Event of WM16 yeah,this is true. he was promised the main even vs Austin at Mania 16. of course that didn't happen,but when the time came he stuck to his guns (and contract) and had to awkwardly be squeezed into the main event match between The Rock and Triple H. same thing with WM VIII. Sid was promised the mine event vs Hogan before he ever signed with the WWF. upon finding out Vince was going to go with Hogan-Flair for the main event,with Sid-Undertaker in a mid-card bout,he stood his ground and made Vince honor his contract,which abruptly changed nearly 1/3 of the Mania card that year. |
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Post by cordless2016 on May 31, 2013 9:27:06 GMT -5
Promising guys main events at WrestleMania and World Title runs just seem like very, very stupid ideas, even for Vince. Like mentioned, we saw how the main events of WM 8 and 16 were hurt, and if Goldberg was promised a title run or not, it hurt the short main event push Booker T had going into WM 19 as the big win against Triple H in 2003 was given to a guy who was only going to be around for a year versus a guy sticking around for the long run.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2013 9:32:24 GMT -5
I'd actually be surprised if anybody, ever had a contract that said they'd win the world title actually IN their contract. Vince always made verbal promises, but like Bret said several times in his book that when he negotiated with Vince over his contracts he got a completely different one faxed to him. I can't imagine this same person would put in anyone's contract that they would definitely get a world title.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2013 9:51:27 GMT -5
I dunno about Goldberg but Wight had one of THE best contracts Vince ever put out there.I wouldn't be surprised if there was a title reign in there.
Vince wanted The Giant for SO long......said Bischoff never knew how to use him.fact is neither did Vince.no way would Show have survived his weight gain etc etc etc in WWF/E if his 10 year contract hadn't been watertight.
I really wish he had signed Steiner to a contract in 99 instead.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2013 9:57:16 GMT -5
I dunno about Goldberg but Wight had one of THE best contracts Vince ever put out there.I wouldn't be surprised if there was a title reign in there. Vince wanted The Giant for SO long......said Bischoff never knew how to use him.fact is neither did Vince.no way would Show have survived his weight gain etc etc etc in WWF/E if his 10 year contract hadn't been watertight. I really wish he had signed Steiner to a contract in 99 instead. Yeah Vince had Giant come in and had him lose his first match. In fact I think he was used better in WCW than he was in his entire WWE run. I think Show put on loads of weight BECAUSE he knew he had a fat contract that was guaranteed. He essentially let himself go. |
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2013 10:01:57 GMT -5
your probably right man......Austin objected strenuously to beating Wight like that.but this was Vinces ego....it would be a forshadowing of things to come with the Invasion
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Post by raVen™ on May 31, 2013 10:37:25 GMT -5
Seems legit to me, The only reason he hasn't worked for another major fed since then is all about the money... or Vince Russo, now that Russo is gone its back to money. Highly plausible he had that in there. There used to be rumors that Taker's contracts always included "Undefeated at wrestlemania."
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2013 10:56:27 GMT -5
Seems legit to me, The only reason he hasn't worked for another major fed since then is all about the money... or Vince Russo, now that Russo is gone its back to money. Highly plausible he had that in there. There used to be rumors that Taker's contracts always included "Undefeated at wrestlemania." Taker was scheduled to lose to Nash at WM12, it was only changed because Nash signed with WCW. Taker also offered to put Angle over at Mania (if you can believe what Angle says). |
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Post by raVen™ on May 31, 2013 11:46:07 GMT -5
Seems legit to me, The only reason he hasn't worked for another major fed since then is all about the money... or Vince Russo, now that Russo is gone its back to money. Highly plausible he had that in there. There used to be rumors that Taker's contracts always included "Undefeated at wrestlemania." Taker was scheduled to lose to Nash at WM12, it was only changed because Nash signed with WCW. Taker also offered to put Angle over at Mania (if you can believe what Angle says). I was mainly referring to the later years once he had pull. I've heard numerous guys in shoot interviews say that Takers streak happened when someone looked at his win/loss ratio and went "Oh snap taker is undefeated" and vince went with it. I hadn't heard about him wanting to lay down to angle at all, but I have heard he offered to lay down for Kane at XX, but Vince said No. Another thing about Goldberg, When they signed him, they thought they could get him to stay a second round for less money than the first, but he turned that down. He's not in it for titles and prestige at all. It's all about the money. He stated this in an interview back just before Russo left Tna. He said "I don't think it's right to keep my self from my fans any longer because of money or grudge issues I may have." The net was abuzz for awhile on weather he was going to resign or sign with TNA. He ended up signing up for this Off brand wrestlemania that was being held in Africa? Ft. other wwe rejects, I don't know if the show ever happened, news of it just went away. So what I'd say happened is He wanted more money, wwe says "how about a title run instead?" Goldberg pays for a title run. Done and done. |
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Post by cordless2016 on May 31, 2013 12:05:49 GMT -5
your probably right man......Austin objected strenuously to beating Wight like that.but this was Vinces ego....it would be a forshadowing of things to come with the Invasion The only times I felt Show was used right was when he had Paul Heyman writting his storylines during 02-early 04 and 06. When he was w/ Heyman, Show came off as a dominating monster like he always should have. Hell, Heyman made him an instant main eventer when he came to SmackDown in October, 2002 after Show had been jobbing in the low mid-card during 2001 and most of 2002. I wish we could have seen more of what Hayman could have done w/ a monster like Show. From what I've heard Goldberg said he did it for the fans. He says he never approved of the WWF/E's more "adultish" show, but because fans kept asking him he decided to do one more year for the fans. Thats his words. Not saying we should believe him or not, but from interview's I've watched w/ him he seems to come off as a decent guy. I've never believed these rumors about him wanting money and being garunteed a World Title run. IMO fans simply seem to forget that wrestling was never his passion. He was a football player and when he got injured and couldn't do that anymore, he saw wrestling as a way to make a living. I think fans are simply upset that he wasn't in wrestling longer than he was. |
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Post by raVen™ on Jun 1, 2013 0:03:19 GMT -5
your probably right man......Austin objected strenuously to beating Wight like that.but this was Vinces ego....it would be a forshadowing of things to come with the Invasion The only times I felt Show was used right was when he had Paul Heyman writting his storylines during 02-early 04 and 06. When he was w/ Heyman, Show came off as a dominating monster like he always should have. Hell, Heyman made him an instant main eventer when he came to SmackDown in October, 2002 after Show had been jobbing in the low mid-card during 2001 and most of 2002. I wish we could have seen more of what Hayman could have done w/ a monster like Show. From what I've heard Goldberg said he did it for the fans. He says he never approved of the WWF/E's more "adultish" show, but because fans kept asking him he decided to do one more year for the fans. Thats his words. Not saying we should believe him or not, but from interview's I've watched w/ him he seems to come off as a decent guy. I've never believed these rumors about him wanting money and being garunteed a World Title run. IMO fans simply seem to forget that wrestling was never his passion. He was a football player and when he got injured and couldn't do that anymore, he saw wrestling as a way to make a living. I think fans are simply upset that he wasn't in wrestling longer than he was. Don't get me wrong, I am a goldberg fan, this is just stuff I remember him saying himself. |
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Post by Jamal on Jun 1, 2013 4:35:50 GMT -5
Taker was scheduled to lose to Nash at WM12, it was only changed because Nash signed with WCW. Taker also offered to put Angle over at Mania (if you can believe what Angle says). I was mainly referring to the later years once he had pull. I've heard numerous guys in shoot interviews say that Takers streak happened when someone looked at his win/loss ratio and went "Oh snap taker is undefeated" and vince went with it. I hadn't heard about him wanting to lay down to angle at all, but I have heard he offered to lay down for Kane at XX, but Vince said no. Not sure I believe taker wanting to lose at WMXX as that would have made zero sense considering it was the return of the deadman gimmick. |
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Post by wyleecyotee on Jun 1, 2013 5:18:34 GMT -5
I'm certain taker has wanted to loose at Mania a few times, Orton is the one I remember most.
I think most of these would have been BS verbal agreements to get then in before they went to WCW. Although earlier ones like Sid could be true as it was a different time back then.
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Post by Raine on Jun 2, 2013 12:36:47 GMT -5
Big Show has been damaged goods since his 1st match when SCSA beat him clean on RAW with a Stunner. I couldnt believe my eyes when that happened, I was waiting in anticipation to see Giant debut in WWF, then they do that, it may have been Austin but a DQ loss would have been better surely?
When new guys debuted years before they have them coming in hot. Mankind for instance, used vignettes for weeks to build him up, then they have him attack and dominate Taker, then he beats UT clean at KOTR 96. Mankind is over. Simples
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Post by mikey1974 on Jun 2, 2013 13:37:09 GMT -5
I was mainly referring to the later years once he had pull. I've heard numerous guys in shoot interviews say that Takers streak happened when someone looked at his win/loss ratio and went "Oh snap taker is undefeated" and vince went with it. I hadn't heard about him wanting to lay down to angle at all, but I have heard he offered to lay down for Kane at XX, but Vince said no. Not sure I believe taker wanting to lose at WMXX as that would have made zero sense considering it was the return of the deadman gimmick. honestly,I never heard that he WANTED to lose at Mania XX. I heard that he was willing to lose,if Vince so desired it. |
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