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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2013 18:48:51 GMT -5
so....it has come to my attention that there are a few peeps who like HHH and feel they can not discuss him in a good light in this section of the board.I do not want people to feel this way so here we are.....this portion of WF has a great reputation for being fair and having manners for others(unlike the main WWE board).this is not a rep I will allow to slip.
while I will NEVER condone his antics from 2003 thru 2004,this thread will be strictly for POSITIVE comments about him.
now onto business.
personally I really like HHH and have enjoyed MANY of his programs both as face & heel.as an all rounder I consider him to be in the top 15 of all time at least.he was the driving force behind and contributed to MANY excellent matches.
it really started to happen for HHH when he(and DX)turned face in 98.his feud with Rock was top drawer stuff and I have always felt that had he not been injured in fall 98....he would have been the corperate champ.after his excellent heel turn at WM15(one of the best executed ever-nobody seen that coming)things went upward 100% of the time for him.
also he deserves credit for being the top guy in most of 2000.he was the one chosen to hold the title when Austin had to go.....and while he had a HELL of a supporting cast in 99/00 he too is totally deserving of credit.the programs he had with Rock,Foley,Austin,Jericho & Undertaker from 99-2001 when he was injured were top notch stuff and delivered 100% of the time.after his return in 2002 there was less quality but he did have awesome programs with HBK,Batista,Undertaker and others.plus he got a good match out of Cena at WM22.a feat in itself.
I have said many times that I don't buy into the theory of HHH being the "other guy" in these feuds.as one of wrestlings greatest heels the fans were foaming at the mouth for Rock to beat him.....and Vince correctly seen Rock was more effective chasing the title than as champ.when Rock did dethrone him in the superb match & booking victory @ Backlash 2000 it really meant something.
also I will say this about his in ring ability.....his timimg,presence,positioning and psychology are top notch.he rarely overstretches himself and knows his limits...so invariably he rarely blows a spot.
has he had poor programs and matches.yes he has.....and there were plenty.but the good far outweighs the bad.
your thoughts?
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Post by gravedigger3 on Jun 14, 2013 18:58:17 GMT -5
I love his trilogy with Taker at Wrestlemanias. His match with Taker at Wrestlemania 17 was my favorite one on one match at Wrestlemania till Taker and Shawn brought down the house at Wrestlemania 25 but I dare say Wrestlemania 28 is at the same level
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Post by mrassbillygunn on Jun 14, 2013 19:00:31 GMT -5
He was one of the best heels ever back in the day during the attitude era, i always remember really hating him back then and i cant say ive ever hated a wrestler as much. I wish they still made bad guys like him lol. I agree with you that the good far far far outweighs the bad. My faveourite HHH match was with Cactus Jack in HITC. Cant remember which ppv it was, maybe RR? Fond memories of that match, me and my brother stayed up late to watch it and he was rooting for Cactus and i kept teasing him that HHH would retire him lol. HHH will go down as one of the best without a doubt.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2013 19:14:56 GMT -5
Triple H from the day after Wrestlemania 14 up until Wrestlemania 15 will always be my favourite era of Triple H. I still feel that he should have won the Royal Rumble in 1999 and faced Rock at Wrestlemania 15. They could have had Vince help Triple H win the belt, and do the heel swerve with Triple H (like the one that failed with Austin at WM 17) at the WM 15 event.
I feel his heel turn on X-Pac was more of a "uh... what.." reaction then if he was to get help from Vince to screw over Rock who was HIS corporate champion, and have Triple H leave DX that way.
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Post by hammer on Jun 14, 2013 20:36:37 GMT -5
before one of the injuries... i cant remember which one exactly... he was a truly top notch worker, and really could carry any one to a good match. he was always a student of the game, even nash and maybe waltman talk about it in their shoots that they knew big things were in store for him.
and the burying aside, he was a great heel throughout his run. i feel he was oversaturated to the fans for a bit there, and thats probably why some of us [myself included], had/have some bitter feelings toward him... but as a worker, as a wrestler, as a promo guy... he delivered more often than not.
i have to be honest, he is one of the guys that has grown on me quite a bit the older hes gotten, and the less hes around.
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Post by hammer on Jun 14, 2013 20:39:27 GMT -5
"when Rock did dethrone him in the superb match & booking victory @ Backlash 2000"
this match, and the previous wrestlemania 2000 4 way... are the reasons i feel that the wwe, as a whole, feels that one on one matches should be the main event for wrestlemania. i realize a wm main event was in big shows contract when he signed... but the backlash match, shouldve been the wm main event, without foley and show.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2013 23:36:27 GMT -5
I don't care about wrestlers rep out of the ring. His match with the Rock from Summerslam 98 and the six man HIAC are two of my favorites
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Post by slappy on Jun 14, 2013 23:46:48 GMT -5
I'll condone the reign of terror. I'll go even further saying from when he was given the title in September 2002, he should not have lost it until Batista beat him at WrestleMania 21. I understand the implications of that. No HBK, Goldberg, Benoit or Orton title reigns. But I would be fine with getting rid of those. HBK and Goldberg's reigns weren't anything special. Benoit's was boring and Orton shouldn't have gotten the title that early especially since he was just going to lose it a month later to HHH. HHH should have just kept it until Batista dethroned him.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2013 0:26:11 GMT -5
To be fair too about his 2003 reign, the talent roster for Raw wasn't that great. When The Hurricane is helping out Booker T and Shawn Michaels against Triple H, Flair and Jericho, then something is wrong.
I never had a problem with him going over Booker, Nash or Steiner in that time frame. If anything he should have never lost to Goldberg.
Imagine how much more Benoit's win would mean at Wrestlemania 20, not only winning the World Title, but ending Triple H's 15 month reign of being Champion.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2013 7:11:43 GMT -5
He was one of the best heels ever back in the day during the attitude era, i always remember really hating him back then and i cant say ive ever hated a wrestler as much. I wish they still made bad guys like him lol. I agree with you that the good far far far outweighs the bad. My faveourite HHH match was with Cactus Jack in HITC. Cant remember which ppv it was, maybe RR? Fond memories of that match, me and my brother stayed up late to watch it and he was rooting for Cactus and i kept teasing him that HHH would retire him lol. HHH will go down as one of the best without a doubt. that was at No Way Out 2000 and yeah.....it was a hell of a match.great back & forth and the crowd ate it up. |
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Post by OverTheEdge on Jun 15, 2013 7:33:29 GMT -5
Love the guy. One of my first and all-time favorite wrestlers. It's crazy how even today he can come back out of nowhere and do what he's been doing with Lesnar and McGillicutty and have it be--at least what I consider--the most entertaining angle going even in today's climate. Watching his rise in '98/99 from D-X to the top is one of the things I look back at in wrestling and remember most fondly--it's also what I've always considered to be the blueprint on how to slowly and properly build someone into a main eventer. I'll condone the reign of terror. I'll go even further saying from when he was given the title in September 2002, he should not have lost it until Batista beat him at WrestleMania 21. I understand the implications of that. No HBK, Goldberg, Benoit or Orton title reigns. But I would be fine with getting rid of those. HBK and Goldberg's reigns weren't anything special. Benoit's was boring and Orton shouldn't have gotten the title that early especially since he was just going to lose it a month later to HHH. HHH should have just kept it until Batista dethroned him. I agree with this. It's funny, because I don't even really remember Shawn's reign as World Heavyweight Champion. I remember when it happened and how it started very well, but anything about it afterwards never stood out to me which is a real shame because it was his last run as a world champion. Orton's and Goldberg's speak for themselves. SmackDown was kicking ass back around that time. RAW was doing alright in 2002 and into 2003, but I couldn't imagine it without him after that--at least not until Cena and Edge turned into major players. |
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Post by Dan88 on Jun 15, 2013 7:47:24 GMT -5
Triple H's 2000-'01 Heel run will always be one of my faves. He was on top form and hardly put a foot wrong. Gotta love the DX days, a lot of fun too and as Joker said, that heel turn at WM15 was so surprising!
I had no problem with his 'Reign of Terror'. They needed a big name to hold it, be involved to legitimize it in the WWE and at the time he was the Big RAW name. To me also it was Vince's ego more then Trips' having him go over the wCw/ECW names and be better..
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2013 8:51:03 GMT -5
HBKs reign was totally forgettable.however as a feelgood moment HBKs win in the EC @ Survivors 02 is right up there and I wouldn't want that changed.
also loved when his feud with HBK reignited in late 2003.their draw on raw and Last Man Standing match @ RR04 were excellent.
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Post by slappy on Jun 15, 2013 10:30:36 GMT -5
The HHH/HBK end of 2003 Raw match is still my favorite match of all time. The whole thing. The match, the Bischoff involvement, Bischoff firing HBK and Austin coming back. All great.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2013 11:02:51 GMT -5
His wife is hot.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2013 11:03:04 GMT -5
then it led to their excellent last Man standing match at RR04.this & their match @ Summerslam 02 were epic encounters.
I disliked their HIAC match though.it was their weakest outing IMO.
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Post by Duke Silver on Jun 15, 2013 11:13:39 GMT -5
He's not appreciated for what he has done for the business and some of the great matches we've gotten with him. Triple H/Rock @ Judgment Day, Triple H/Jericho @ Fully Loaded, Triple H/Cactus Jack @ Royal Rumble will always be some of my favorite matches.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2013 12:48:56 GMT -5
Bret Hart gives this thread a 4/10.
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Post by Dan88 on Jun 15, 2013 18:28:25 GMT -5
Oh lets not forget to mention his return at MSG.. What a crowd reaction!
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Post by mikey1974 on Jun 15, 2013 19:09:34 GMT -5
did Triple H play politics? definitely! did boinking the boss' daughter help him gain influence and pull? 100% did he use that pull to help keep himself on top? absolutely! keep in mind this was something guys like Flair,Hogan,Nash,Hall,HBK,and Savage were all doing before him (well,not the bedding the boss' daughter part...maybe Savage,if you believe the stories!).
that said...Triple H remains one of the best workers,and pentultimate heel in the early 2000's. I was there the night when Jericho "beat" him for the WWF Championship live on Raw...and when the decision was reversed...Jesus Christ! there was a riotous atmosphere in the place! a truly over heel,with the crowd in the palm of his hand,can only get that reaction.
in 2000,while everyone was on the Rock bandwagon,I found myself being a HHH fan. I just loved his work,his character,and the way he built himself up as the main event player as an ongoing process for nearly 2 years.
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