Arthur Speaks
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Post by Arthur Speaks on Jun 17, 2013 15:56:12 GMT -5
Assuming Ziggler turns face and Del Rio turns heel, do AJ & Langston also turn face? I'd imagine neither of them would gain a whole lot of support.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2013 16:13:20 GMT -5
Dolph probably goes solo from now on
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2013 16:23:25 GMT -5
Aj was treated like a face tonight by the crowd and Kaitlyn got the you tapped out chant so it could be possible.
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Post by Arthur Speaks on Jun 17, 2013 16:30:10 GMT -5
Aj was treated like a face tonight by the crowd and Kaitlyn got the you tapped out chant so it could be possible. Keep in mind that Chicago is home to one of the most unconventional crowds in history. They cheered for Curtis Axel and Dean Ambrose while booing The Miz. |
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Jun 17, 2013 16:32:39 GMT -5
WWE doesn't let the crowd dictate their plans. If that was the case then John Cena would have been a heel 6 years ago, Dolph Ziggler would have been a face after he cashed in, and Fandango would have been a face after Wrestlemania.
This is one thing that you need to understand about Vince McMahon...he is totally deaf and blind to what the fans reactions are. He has a picture in his head of how he wants everything to be like and he doesn't change it for ANYBODY.
He will run John Cena out there a million days in a row to get boo'd out of the building and he will still promote John Cena as the most popular and liked Superstar since Hogan during the prime of Hulkamania. Because it's what Vince McMahon WANTS.
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Post by King Of Swing on Jun 17, 2013 16:35:38 GMT -5
Dolph probably goes solo from now on I really hope so. Nothing against Big E and AJ, whom I'm big fans of, it's just I'd love to see Ziggler go it alone. He doesn't need them, just like he didn't need Vicki. |
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Post by James on Jun 17, 2013 16:39:38 GMT -5
Yes, he should go solo as a face. Wish he aligned with ric flair  |
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Post by Arthur Speaks on Jun 17, 2013 16:50:02 GMT -5
WWE doesn't let the crowd dictate their plans. If that was the case then John Cena would have been a heel 6 years ago, Dolph Ziggler would have been a face after he cashed in, and Fandango would have been a face after Wrestlemania. This is one thing that you need to understand about Vince McMahon...he is totally deaf and blind to what the fans reactions are. He has a picture in his head of how he wants everything to be like and he doesn't change it for ANYBODY. He will run John Cena out there a million days in a row to get boo'd out of the building and he will still promote John Cena as the most popular and liked Superstar since Hogan during the prime of Hulkamania. Because it's what Vince McMahon WANTS. So what you're saying is that the double turn will be ignored completely and everything remains sunshine and unicorns for Vince-because that's the way HE wants it? |
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Jun 17, 2013 16:52:43 GMT -5
WWE doesn't let the crowd dictate their plans. If that was the case then John Cena would have been a heel 6 years ago, Dolph Ziggler would have been a face after he cashed in, and Fandango would have been a face after Wrestlemania. This is one thing that you need to understand about Vince McMahon...he is totally deaf and blind to what the fans reactions are. He has a picture in his head of how he wants everything to be like and he doesn't change it for ANYBODY. He will run John Cena out there a million days in a row to get boo'd out of the building and he will still promote John Cena as the most popular and liked Superstar since Hogan during the prime of Hulkamania. Because it's what Vince McMahon WANTS. So what you're saying is that the double turn will be ignored completely and everything remains sunshine and unicorns for Vince-because that's the way HE wants it? Absolutely. Alberto Del Rio will come out on RAW tonight and be promoted as a face hero. |
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Post by Daniel F'n Bryan on Jun 17, 2013 16:58:51 GMT -5
So what you're saying is that the double turn will be ignored completely and everything remains sunshine and unicorns for Vince-because that's the way HE wants it? Absolutely. Alberto Del Rio will come out on RAW tonight and be promoted as a face hero. You sure your not the one who's deaf? The commentary even played on a double turn, weather it was intentional or not they had JBL, Cole and King go along with it so there's no way IMO that they revert to boring face Del Rio after that. |
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Post by Brad on Jun 17, 2013 17:04:33 GMT -5
WWE doesn't let the crowd dictate their plans. If that was the case then John Cena would have been a heel 6 years ago, Dolph Ziggler would have been a face after he cashed in, and Fandango would have been a face after Wrestlemania. This is one thing that you need to understand about Vince McMahon...he is totally deaf and blind to what the fans reactions are. He has a picture in his head of how he wants everything to be like and he doesn't change it for ANYBODY. He will run John Cena out there a million days in a row to get boo'd out of the building and he will still promote John Cena as the most popular and liked Superstar since Hogan during the prime of Hulkamania. Because it's what Vince McMahon WANTS. Spot on, sadly |
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Jun 17, 2013 17:04:53 GMT -5
Absolutely. Alberto Del Rio will come out on RAW tonight and be promoted as a face hero. You sure your not the one who's deaf? The commentary even played on a double turn, weather it was intentional or not they had JBL, Cole and King go along with it so there's no way IMO that they revert to boring face Del Rio after that. Every once in a while a guy has to go a little too far to get a win....doesn't mean he's turning heel. Maybe Alberto just "embraced the hate"....lol   Ever since then, John Cena has been right back to his old tricks....  |
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Post by alexgg on Jun 17, 2013 17:08:09 GMT -5
If it wasn't a double turn I'll be really pissed off.
I hope Del Rio continues being a jerk acting like a face.
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Post by done on Jun 17, 2013 18:09:59 GMT -5
Yes, he should go solo as a face. Wish he aligned with ric flair Little too late, flair looks unhealthy to be a manager as much as it would be nice to see. |
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Post by ThugSuperstar on Jun 18, 2013 0:51:26 GMT -5
Ziggler has to go solo. Having all three turn face would be silly, plus there aren't any face factions in the WWE anymore these days. The thing is, I can't see how they can have them split up when Ziggler is already feuding with Del Rio. Maybe they'll put it off until Ziggler wins back the title and then do a feud between him and Big E for the title at SummerSlam.
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Post by sideeffect on Jun 18, 2013 1:03:28 GMT -5
I think it will be similar to Chyna playing both face and heel in the fall of 1999...she was feuding with Jeff Jarrett as a face and in HHH's corner as a heel.
One in particular was when she beat the crap out of JR in a tag match on RAW with the commentators bashing her. During the match Jeff interfered and tossed her in laundry bin pushing her off a ledge and then the commentators showing compassion. She was like that for about couple months before completely broken away from HHH when the heel DX formed.
I think Dolph will play this role for a time being until he breaks away from AJ and Big E...Big E will probably just play AJ's bodyguard afterwards.
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Post by King Silva on Jun 18, 2013 2:10:38 GMT -5
I'm guessing he will break away from AJ/Big E. I would think AJ/Big E could just manage each other and maybe she would manage him to get revenge on Dolph for dumping her.  |
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Post by Jaz on Jun 18, 2013 3:37:55 GMT -5
Hopefully he loses Big E and keeps AJ.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2013 4:27:59 GMT -5
Ziggler has to go solo. Having all three turn face would be silly, plus there aren't any face factions in the WWE anymore these days. The thing is, I can't see how they can have them split up when Ziggler is already feuding with Del Rio. Maybe they'll put it off until Ziggler wins back the title and then do a feud between him and Big E for the title at SummerSlam. AJ can dump Ziggler without necessarily leading to a big feud and a PPV match. It could easily just be a one and done match between Dolph and Big E on free TV, since Big E is probably not ready for a PPV singles match yet, or to be pushed further than he currently is. She does have good reason already to hate Dolph. Her entire motivation as a heel is that she hates being used by men. Just bring up the fact that when she was having issues with John Cena, Ziggler butted into her life just for the sake of picking a fight with Cena to get himself over. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2013 7:56:32 GMT -5
WWE doesn't let the crowd dictate their plans. If that was the case then John Cena would have been a heel 6 years ago, Dolph Ziggler would have been a face after he cashed in, and Fandango would have been a face after Wrestlemania. This is one thing that you need to understand about Vince McMahon...he is totally deaf and blind to what the fans reactions are. He has a picture in his head of how he wants everything to be like and he doesn't change it for ANYBODY. He will run John Cena out there a million days in a row to get boo'd out of the building and he will still promote John Cena as the most popular and liked Superstar since Hogan during the prime of Hulkamania. Because it's what Vince McMahon WANTS. If he listened to the fans, we'd have about 30 Face/ Heel turns a year. What's the point of listening to a bunch of fickle people who for the most part have no idea what they want? Also, great job on being absolutely wrong about Del Rio. |
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