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Post by Mike Giggs' Munchies on Jul 11, 2013 11:12:28 GMT -5
Premise: All of these guys are/will be HOF worthy. Your job is to place them into 1 of 3 categories - Greatest of All Time (1), World Class Performers (2) and High Level Superstars (3). Take into account their abilities at every facet of wrestling i.e. technical ability, mic work, superstar appeal etc., as well as the era they were in - would they have fared better or worse in another era? e.g. would Orton have fared better or worse if he had started out 10 years earlier, and how does that affect your rating of him? Obviously they are to an extent incomparable but try nonetheless. The tiers don't have to be in order; its hard enough separating them into 3 groups as it is. If its a guy that is still going, think of where they will realistically be when they retire, although most guys still going listed here have likely reached their peaks anyway. I've also kept it to mostly North American guys, as I know few others.
The list: (feel free to suggest other top level names, I'm sure I've forgotten a few)
Bruno Sammartino
Hulk Hogan
Roddy Piper
Randy Savage
Ricky Steamboat
Ultimate Warrior
Andre the Giant
Sting
Ric Flair
Undertaker
Bret Hart
Shawn Michaels
Steve Austin
The Rock
Triple H
Kurt Angle
Chris Jericho
John Cena
Randy Orton
CM Punk
My list:
Greatest of All Time
Hulk Hogan
The Rock
Steve Austin
John Cena
Shawn Michaels
Undertaker
Bret Hart
Ric Flair
World Class Performers
Bruno Sammartino
Kurt Angle
Randy Savage
Sting
Triple H
High Level Superstars
Roddy Piper
Ultimate Warrior
Andre the Giant
Ricky Steamboat
Chris Jericho
Randy Orton
CM Punk
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2013 11:24:17 GMT -5
Greatest of All Time:
Hulk Hogan
Randy Savage
Bret Hart
Steve Austin
The Rock
Sting
Undertaker
John Cena
World Class Performers:
Bruno Sammartino
Kurt Angle
Chris Jericho
Ricky Steamboat
Roddy Piper
Andre the Giant
Shawn Michaels
Triple H
CM Punk
High Level Superstars:
Ric Flair
Ultimate Warrior
Randy Orton
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2013 11:35:33 GMT -5
hmm interesting.....
Greatest of all time:(smallest list)
Hulk Hogan
Steve Austin
Bret Hart
The Rock
The Undertaker
Ric Flair
World Class Performers:
Sting
HBK
HHH
Kurt Angle
Chris Jericho
CM Punk
Ricky Steamboat
High Level Superstars:
Ultimate Warrior(4 year mainstream layoff from 92-96 hurts him)
Roddy Piper
Randy Savage
John Cena
Bruno Sammartino
Andre The Giant
Randy Orton
great thread idea Mike!!
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Post by Raine on Jul 11, 2013 12:34:31 GMT -5
Greatest of all time:
Stone Cold Steve Austin
The Rock
Hulk Hogan
The Undertaker
Ric Flair
World Class Performers:
Bret Hart
CM Punk
Sting
Shawn Michaels
Ricky Steamboat
Triple H
Kurt Angle
Randy Savage
Chris Jericho
High Level Superstars:
Bruno Sammartino
Ultimate Warrior
Roddy Piper
Andre The Giant
John Cena
Randy Orton
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Post by koreygunz on Jul 11, 2013 13:24:15 GMT -5
GOAT
Hulk Hogan
Ric Flair
Undertaker
Shawn Michaels
Steve Austin
World Class
Bruno Sammartino
Roddy Piper
Randy Savage
Andre the Giant
Sting (never working for WWF/E hurts his impact IMO)
Bret Hart
The Rock
Triple H
CM Punk
High Level Superstars
Ricky Steamboat
Ultimate Warrior
Kurt Angle
Chris Jericho
John Cena
Randy Orton
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2013 4:12:17 GMT -5
Im surprised this isn't generating more conversation.....
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Post by 0,Y on Jul 13, 2013 6:02:49 GMT -5
I'd like to add Edge to the list if that's okay
Greatest of All time
The Rock
Kurt Angle
Stone Cold Steve Austin
Undertaker
Triple H
World Class Performers
Hulk Hogan
John Cena
Bret Hart
Shawn Michaels
Chris Jericho
Edge
High Level Superstars
Ricky Steamboat
Ultimate Warrior
Randy Orton
CM Punk
Bruno Sammartino
Roddy Piper
Randy Savage
Andre the Giant
Sting
Ric Flair
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Post by Mike Giggs' Munchies on Jul 13, 2013 15:09:24 GMT -5
I'd like to add Edge to the list if that's okay Greatest of All timeThe Rock Kurt Angle Stone Cold Steve Austin Undertaker Triple H World Class PerformersHulk Hogan John Cena Bret Hart Shawn Michaels Chris Jericho Edge High Level SuperstarsRicky Steamboat Ultimate Warrior Randy Orton CM Punk Bruno Sammartino Roddy Piper Randy Savage Andre the Giant Sting Ric Flair No its not ok -_- Nah ofc its fine but I'm surprised you put him above Flair, Savage and Sammartino, and on the same level as HBK, Hogan and Cena. Very high estimation of him. |
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Post by cordless2016 on Jul 14, 2013 12:38:59 GMT -5
Greatest of All Time
- Sammartino
- Hogan
- Flair
- Bret Hart
- Undertaker
- Steve Austin
- The Rock
- Sting
- Kurt Angle
World Class Performers
- Andre the Giant (for his aura, mass appeal, and the way he was booked as an unstoppable giant for years/ if he could actually wrestle I'd put him in the GOAT list)
- HBK
- Randy Savage
- Roddy Piper
- John Cena
- Triple H
High Level Superstars
- Ultimate Warrior
- Ricky Steamboat
- Chris Jericho
- Randy Orton
- CM Punk
I think Orton and Punk are no where near the rest of the guys on the list. Yes, they are good performers but they still lack that all around appeal that the rest of the guys on here have. CM Punk especially. I enjoy him but he still sometimes screams "indy wrestler" to me. He doesn't have the mass appeal or name recognition like the rest do. Even during his year long title reign he was portrayed as a distant second to Cena. Both somewhat overrated to me. To some adding Edge, I'd put him in the same category as Orton and Punk, and I enjoyed Edge too but his retirement has made people ovarrate him as well IMO. Jericho started to get popular during the end of the 90s boom and was a big name in the early 00s for the WWF so I would put him above Orton and Punk.
If Andrea could wrestle better I'd put him in the GOAT because of his huge mass appeal. Now Hogan wasn't anything great in the ring but he could structure a match, could sell, and his mass appeal to non-wrestling fans and "Hulkamania" run put him in the top 3 of all time. HBK was never a big draw (proven by 1996) and didn't have the mass appeal of the other two top guys at the time (Hart and Taker). Taker and Hart kept the WWF afloat literally by themselves during 93-96.
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Post by Nivro™ on Jul 14, 2013 15:21:10 GMT -5
Greatest of All Time
Hulk Hogan
Ric Flair
Bruno Sammartino
Andre The Giant
Steve Austin
World Class Performers
Randy Savage
Sting
Bret Hart
Shawn Michaels
Triple H
High Level Superstars
Roddy Piper
Ricky Steamboat
Ultimate Warrior
The Undertaker
The Rock
Kurt Angle
Chris Jericho
John Cena
Randy Orton
CM Punk
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Post by Mike Giggs' Munchies on Jul 14, 2013 15:38:52 GMT -5
Greatest of All Time- Sammartino - Hogan - Flair - Bret Hart - Undertaker - Steve Austin - The Rock - Sting - Kurt Angle World Class Performers- Andre the Giant (for his aura, mass appeal, and the way he was booked as an unstoppable giant for years/ if he could actually wrestle I'd put him in the GOAT list) - HBK - Randy Savage - Roddy Piper - John Cena - Triple H High Level Superstars- Ultimate Warrior - Ricky Steamboat - Chris Jericho - Randy Orton - CM Punk I think Orton and Punk are no where near the rest of the guys on the list. Yes, they are good performers but they still lack that all around appeal that the rest of the guys on here have. CM Punk especially. I enjoy him but he still sometimes screams "indy wrestler" to me. He doesn't have the mass appeal or name recognition like the rest do. Even during his year long title reign he was portrayed as a distant second to Cena. Both somewhat overrated to me. To some adding Edge, I'd put him in the same category as Orton and Punk, and I enjoyed Edge too but his retirement has made people ovarrate him as well IMO. Jericho started to get popular during the end of the 90s boom and was a big name in the early 00s for the WWF so I would put him above Orton and Punk. If Andrea could wrestle better I'd put him in the GOAT because of his huge mass appeal. Now Hogan wasn't anything great in the ring but he could structure a match, could sell, and his mass appeal to non-wrestling fans and "Hulkamania" run put him in the top 3 of all time. HBK was never a big draw (proven by 1996) and didn't have the mass appeal of the other two top guys at the time (Hart and Taker). Taker and Hart kept the WWF afloat literally by themselves during 93-96. I disagree that HBK was never a big draw. 96 etc. is debatable, but in his second run he was a huge draw, even if his purpose was only to put on great matches with younger talent. You can argue all you want about 96 but 10 years later he was an undeniable draw imo, even if he refused to have the title. |
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Post by cordless2016 on Jul 14, 2013 16:02:38 GMT -5
Even during his second run he wasn't a huge draw like others before him. The WWE's ratings were still falling from the high of the Attitude Era and just like everyone else in the company he wasn't changing that. Yeah he was pushed hard on Raw but its not like he or anyone else at the time were changing the ratings much. Shawn was never a draw like Hogan, Bret, Austin, Rock, Taker, etc... were (Bret carried the WWF during a terrible down time and is arguably the greatest draw outside the US). The WWF almost went under in 1996 under his watch and his ego was a part of that. During his second run he also didn't affect ratings much and while one of the better drawing guys of the late 00s, that's not saying much. And this is coming from an HBK fan.
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Post by He Hate Me on Jul 14, 2013 16:10:09 GMT -5
Greatest of All Time:
Hulk Hogan
Randy Savage
Steve Austin
The Rock
Undertaker
John Cena
Ric Flair
World Class Performers:
Bruno Sammartino
Bret Hart
Sting
Kurt Angle
Chris Jericho
Ricky Steamboat
Shawn Michaels
CM Punk
High Level Superstars:
Andre The Giant
Roddy Piper
Ultimate Warrior
Randy Orton
Triple H
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Post by Rule 30 on Jul 14, 2013 22:41:47 GMT -5
Greatest of all Time
Hulk Hogan
Undertaker
Shawn Michaels
Steve Austin
Bret Hart
John Cena
World Class Performers
Ric Flair
Randy Savage
Andre the Giant
Sting
Kurt Angle
The Rock
Triple H
Chris Jericho
CM Punk
High Level Superstars
Roddy Piper
Bruno Sammartino
Ricky Steamboat
Ultimate Warrior
Randy Orton
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Post by Dr. Mantis Toboggan MD on Jul 14, 2013 23:26:57 GMT -5
Greatest of All Time:
Bruno Sammartino
Randy Savage
Ric Flair
Undtaker
Bret Hart
Sting
Shawn Michaels
Steve Austin
Kurt Angle
World Clashttp: Performers:
CM Punk
Chris Jericho
Roddy Piper
Ricky Steamboat
Triple H
Andre the Giant
The Rock
High Level/Overrated Superstars:
Hulk Hogan
Ultimate Warrior
John Cena
Randy Orton
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Post by 0,Y on Jul 15, 2013 9:09:49 GMT -5
Nah ofc its fine but I'm surprised you put him above Flair, Savage and Sammartino, and on the same level as HBK, Hogan and Cena. Very high estimation of him. Edge had it all: Ring skills, mic skills, charisma, an amazing gimmick, lots of memorable matches (no matter if 1999 or in the late 2000s) and unlike Hogan he didn't have to politic his way to the top. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2013 7:05:36 GMT -5
I am a big Edge mark too.I would put him on my High Level performers list.
Im also a big fan of how Austin is making everyones GOAT list.good stuff....
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Post by 👑🇵🇭⭐️ on Jul 16, 2013 9:48:33 GMT -5
Based off of only the 20 Legends on the original list:
Greatest Of All Time
This is my Top 5, which is really 6, because of the tie at second and the tie at fifth.
1. Chris Jericho
2. Steve Austin
2. The Rock
4. Kurt Angle
5. Ric Flair
5. Hulk Hogan
World Class Performers / High Level SuperStars
I categorize World Class Performers and High Level SuperStars together, in alphabetical order.
Andre the Giant
Bret Hart
Bruno Sammartino
CM Punk
John Cena
Randy Orton
Randy Savage
Ricky Steamboat
Roddy Piper
Shawn Michaels
Sting
Triple H
Ultimate Warrior
Undertaker
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Post by Mike Giggs' Munchies on Jul 16, 2013 13:50:42 GMT -5
Im also a big fan of how Austin is making everyones GOAT list.good stuff.... How could he not? He was a huge star in the greatest era of the greatest ever wrestling company, and was involved in 2 of the top 5 rivalries of all time (vs. Rock and McMahon). I'm surprised how few GOAT lists HBK makes. I know a lot of people don't like him but imo he's at the very top in whatever category you want - superstar appeal, technical ability and mic work. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2013 20:34:15 GMT -5
HBK is just one of those polarizing figures....some think hes the greatest....some feel he is overrated etc.
for me he falls just short of GOAT.but that's just me....I still think he was an awesome performer.
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