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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2013 17:10:25 GMT -5
That's genetics. A government can't legislate scientific fact. You had to list a race/ethnicity of a child when they were born. In the 60's & 70s it was automatically listed as whatever the mother was. I dont see why you want to keep arguing it, it is what it is and it's changed anyway. Move on.
The reason I responded is because you don't seem to understand my argument. I initially wrote that "A government can't legislate scientific fact." You responded by citing a law that attempts to legislate genetics (ie. scientific fact). Since you are obviously having trouble grasping the concept that I am conveying, let me simplify my argument for you. The race of a person is determined by through the genetic make-up of their mother AND father. At the point of conception, chromosomes are submitted by both the mother AND father that combine to create the person's genetic profile in their DNA. Therefore a person with a mother AND father of two separate races will have a DNA profile containing BOTH separate races. The government can no more legislate the race of a bi-racial person than they can dictate the color of a tree. Although they may vote on and pass a law that says the leaves on all evergreen oak trees are blue, the tree still has green leaves.
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Post by /X Metal Sorenges x "Mac Oh J~ on Jul 28, 2013 18:52:17 GMT -5
I always thought MVP was on his way of winning the title but left to do other things its ashame he never stayed. I believe during MVP run that he practically solidified his position as a top-tier mid carder at best which leaves title's such as the International Championship and US Championship (Which is won) at is disposable. He was known for putting on some very entertaining matches from 2006 right about when he left which I think was 2010 but then again he did have decent percentage of poor quality matches as well. Perhaps if MVP stayed on the golden platter up to this point, it may have received atleast 1 maybe 2 opportunities at become #1 contender. The Rock counts in my opinion. It doesn't matter what he or others recognize him as. He's black, but he's also Samoan. Or vice versa. Whichever you prefer. He's been on the covers of Jet, Essences, Ebony, and other major black magazine publications. Not sure why he wouldn't count in Wrestling. I couldn't agree more, talking about the next "African American" WWE champion is what primarily is being deputed. Well for me anyways. Yeah Titus has a real good shot at it. He has the size, background, & personality to go far in WWE. Once WWE lets him go face, the sky is the limit. Agreed, I haven't exactly seen much of his in-ring worker on NXT and even on the main brands of RAW and Smackdown but with what has been displayed from him as far as mic skills which is outstanding imo and his physical complex give's him a pretty level starting plate to jet off from. Other then the new blood that is just hitting the rosters within the last couple of months, I find it incredible that Booker T nor Mark Henry didn't win the WWE Championship atleast once.
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Post by Nivro™ on Jul 28, 2013 18:56:55 GMT -5
You had to list a race/ethnicity of a child when they were born. In the 60's & 70s it was automatically listed as whatever the mother was. I dont see why you want to keep arguing it, it is what it is and it's changed anyway. Move on.
The reason I responded is because you don't seem to understand my argument. I initially wrote that "A government can't legislate scientific fact." You responded by citing a law that attempts to legislate genetics (ie. scientific fact). Since you are obviously having trouble grasping the concept that I am conveying, let me simplify my argument for you. The race of a person is determined by through the genetic make-up of their mother AND father. At the point of conception, chromosomes are submitted by both the mother AND father that combine to create the person's genetic profile in their DNA. Therefore a person with a mother AND father of two separate races will have a DNA profile containing BOTH separate races. The government can no more legislate the race of a bi-racial person than they can dictate the color of a tree. Although they may vote on and pass a law that says the leaves on all evergreen oak trees are blue, the tree still has green leaves. Then there was absolutely no reason for you to continue quoting me. Im telling you what is/was legally written on birth certificates and you're talking about science....You're not even talking about the same thing I am. Again...move on.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2013 19:11:40 GMT -5
Down in NXT I really think Xavier Woods (Consequences Creed in TNA) could be a big Champion one day, hes like 26/27 so there's a lot of time to build him up. I didn't know he was still that young! He's also getting closer to having a PhD. And he seems to have a lot of charisma in addition strong in-ring talent. Only thing that might hold him back is his lack of size (billed @ 5'11'' 205), but that's not that bad in this day and age. He's gonna be a huge star some day.
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Post by cordless2016 on Jul 28, 2013 19:24:26 GMT -5
Booker T was the most deserving African American for the WWE Title in the last 15 years. Even after the crap burials he went through in 2001, 2003, and 2004 he remained over big with the fans. The guy was a very versatile performer in the ring and gave great promos when given the opportunity. Sadly because he was a "Dubba C Dubba" guy he was wasted by Vince.
Besides for Booker there aren't really any other African Americans I've felt deserved to hold it in the last 20 years. Bobby Lashley was receiving a huge push towards the title until he got injured and left the WWE in the middle of that push. Shelton Benjamin looked to be on the path towards the title in 2004/5 but due to a mixture of him not wanting to improve his weaknesses (mic skills) and the WWE giving up on him that never materialized. MVP looked to be on his way to it as well until the WWE put him on a loosing steak that lasted for months and derailed his career. Ahmed Johnson was a physical specimen but crap in the ring on the mic and couldn't stay healthy for more than a few weeks. Ron Simmons was entering the final few good years of his career by the time he got to the WWE (he was in his late 30s). Kofi seemed to be getting a big push a few years ago until Randy Borton complained about him to Vince.
Mark Henry is interesting. Yes the last 2.5 years have been great and he has done a wonderful job making himself a legit top guy but the first 15 years he was basically a jobber to the stars. Yes he is portrayed as a monster now but pre-2011 he was nothing more than a low midcarder for the majority of his career. I loved his WHC reign but because of is first 15 years I simply do not see him as a legit WWE Champ.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2013 21:04:44 GMT -5
The reason I responded is because you don't seem to understand my argument. I initially wrote that "A government can't legislate scientific fact." You responded by citing a law that attempts to legislate genetics (ie. scientific fact). Since you are obviously having trouble grasping the concept that I am conveying, let me simplify my argument for you. The race of a person is determined by through the genetic make-up of their mother AND father. At the point of conception, chromosomes are submitted by both the mother AND father that combine to create the person's genetic profile in their DNA. Therefore a person with a mother AND father of two separate races will have a DNA profile containing BOTH separate races. The government can no more legislate the race of a bi-racial person than they can dictate the color of a tree. Although they may vote on and pass a law that says the leaves on all evergreen oak trees are blue, the tree still has green leaves. Then there was absolutely no reason for you to continue quoting me. Im telling you what is/was legally written on birth certificates and you're talking about science....You're not even talking about the same thing I am. Again...move on. You're right. I should have left this alone. You're obviously not grasping the concept I'm trying to instill.
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Post by TheHotshot on Jul 29, 2013 14:22:48 GMT -5
Sorry if this offends anyone, but in my opinion there hasn't been a worthy winner (whom was black) for the WWE Championship. Guys like Henry, Truth and Booker were all Main Event worthy, maybe even WHC worthy, but definitely not WWE Championship worthy . Not to start an argument I respect your opinion but Mark Henry is far more worthy of a WWE championship reign that Alberti Del Rio or even Sheamus (who I think is the absolute worst ever) Henry is the one of the best heels in years. I agree with the fact that Sheamus and Alberto Del Rio terrible. If you read my comment properly I stated that none of the wrestlers (whom were black) are WWE championship worthy (they may or may not be WHC worthy).
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Post by Dat guy ova der on Jul 29, 2013 15:59:29 GMT -5
Screw a persons ethnic background or race. Lets base this on skin colour/tone. Rock's skin colour is more brown then black, he has the skin colour of a mixed race/bi racial or brown human. Someone like Kofi's, Mark Henry's, Booker T's skin colour is 100% black. Otunga is light brown while Darren Young is dark brown. Even if Rock is considered to be the first and only black WWE Champion, we still need another one. Plus Rock isn't full black anyway. How about we don't base this on anything other than their wrestling ability, how well they entertain a crowd, and if they can sell tickets/merchandise? We don't "need" another black champion. We don't need another white champion. We don't need another Asian champion. We need more entertaining champions who can wrestle; regardless of their ethnic background, race, or skin color/tone.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2013 16:16:34 GMT -5
Barack Obama counts as a black President. The Rock counts as a black WWE Champion.
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Post by RollinsFan44 on Jul 29, 2013 16:42:00 GMT -5
Yeah exactly The Rock is kind of black, I mean he's a mixed culture but still, he has to count to some extent.
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