Deleted
Joined on: Jun 17, 2024 13:45:38 GMT -5
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2013 13:19:48 GMT -5
compare jakks JTG and randy orton to mattels and you clearly have your answer to who is better. we get the long lanky proper orton sculpt as opposed to the overly muscular orton and the new sculpt rolled up pant leg to jakks using full jeans.plus mattels title belts are way better the way they attach to the figs.and the fact that they paint the whole outfit and not leave the back blank,like jakks trevor murdoch. no contest really
|
|
Deleted
Joined on: Jun 17, 2024 13:45:38 GMT -5
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2013 13:20:31 GMT -5
Only downside I have is the lack of Legends. At this point and time I had expected to have alot more Legends. If they didn't overproduce the 2-Packs or flood the market with L1 & L2 with the straight out re-releases in the HOF line I think it would have lasted longer than 6 waves. Agreed. Not all Mattel's likenesses are perfect.. neither were Jakks. I think overall they've done well. |
|
Dr. Mantis Toboggan MD
Main Eventer
I need a monster condom for my magnum sized dong.
Joined on: Nov 25, 2011 16:25:54 GMT -5
Posts: 4,713
|
Post by Dr. Mantis Toboggan MD on Jul 30, 2013 13:46:40 GMT -5
This 100%. I still don't understand how anyone could think Jakks was better by any stretch. I don't know if it's because they invested so much time/money that they don't want to let go, or that they are biased, but Mattel product is leaps and bounds better than Jakks was. Wafer-thin arms? I disagree, but prefer Mattel arms over the balloon-inflated Jakks arms. And hey, at least my Undertaker figure is taller than my Shawn Michaels figure. I've posted this picture before, but it's such a good case:  This is a terrible example, I'd choose the Jakks Warrior any day. Warrior never had a tiny waist and atrophy in his limbs. I would have to disagree. The Mattel got the just about everything on this figure correctly. Jakks overly ripped the torso and gave him balloon arms as you can see the reference to the figures below.  |
|
speedlgt
Mid-Carder
Joined on: Oct 31, 2005 15:37:46 GMT -5
Posts: 178
|
Post by speedlgt on Jul 30, 2013 14:26:18 GMT -5
YES & NO, the product is fine they have done a great job. distribution....distribution...distribution ONE MORE F ING TIME!!!! distribution is crap for ALL MATTEL PRODUCTS wwe is better than most but its still not good. PUT THE STUFF ON THE SHELVES ALL THE TIME! the whole Idea that you will never see mattel wwe stuff in stores if you dont get the first time! is crap. in the jakks days you always find product. now you go MONTHS without seeing anything new.
price point is HIGH WAY theft! its GTA on a number of levels.
Rings should not cost 15 dollars. 12 is enough for that ring.
MITB should 40 dollars
Everything is at least 5 to 10 or sometimes 20 dollars over priced.
they are using the acessory to sell figures too much. figures that you would not want .
|
|
MattelDesignTeam
Superstar
Mattel WWE Design Team
Joined on: Aug 25, 2010 21:08:12 GMT -5
Posts: 541
|
Post by MattelDesignTeam on Jul 30, 2013 15:20:46 GMT -5
I want to know who found out about our Ted Arcidi, Jim Powers and Outback Jack 3 pack set we were planning. That info is confidential!
|
|
|
|
Post by PJ on Jul 30, 2013 15:47:42 GMT -5
I want to know who found out about our Ted Arcidi, Jim Powers and Outback Jack 3 pack set we were planning. That info is confidential! lol |
|
|
|
Post by IwasULTIMATE!!!! on Jul 30, 2013 16:37:49 GMT -5
YES & NO, the product is fine they have done a great job. distribution....distribution...distribution ONE MORE F ING TIME!!!! distribution is crap for ALL MATTEL PRODUCTS wwe is better than most but its still not good. PUT THE STUFF ON THE SHELVES ALL THE TIME! the whole Idea that you will never see mattel wwe stuff in stores if you dont get the first time! is crap. in the jakks days you always find product. now you go MONTHS without seeing anything new. price point is HIGH WAY theft! its GTA on a number of levels. Rings should not cost 15 dollars. 12 is enough for that ring. MITB should 40 dollars Everything is at least 5 to 10 or sometimes 20 dollars over priced. they are using the acessory to sell figures too much. figures that you would not want . ^ Wants products on shelf. won't buy it cause it costs too much. Makes sense. -____- |
|
Deleted
Joined on: Jun 17, 2024 13:45:38 GMT -5
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2013 18:16:48 GMT -5
I am; they do a great job with attention to detail. I'll always seek out opportunities to order their product. HOWEVER; I am NOT happy with their interaction on here. They pick and choose what they want to answer to the point they read messages you write them (MDT) and don't even respond. something that would literally take five seconds. I've asked them one question in three years on this site, couldn't even answer it. It was a simple question. To me, that's irritating. If I'm here, I'm obviously one of their most devoted customers. To me, that's as disrespectful as if I were to walk into a store, ask for help and have the employee simply look at me and walk away. That part of it, is inexcusable. MDT has absolutely no obligation to respond to the no-doubt thousands of (mostly dumb, i suspect) PMs they receive. Your sense of entitlement is absurd. The supermarket example doesn't work either... Employees at supermarkets are generally job-titled some variation of Customer Service Representative. Their job is customer service. The DESIGN TEAM's job is to design toys. They look on here at feedback and interact when they want to. They don't even have to do that, and spoiled brat attitudes might stop them from doing so. If they wasted their time answering everything constantly, the figures (their actual job) would never get made. "MDT, why does the new elite Fandango have a Big Show head?" "Sorry, I spent that day responding to 3000 PMs asking why we don't cancel Rumblers and use the money to make a Ted Arcidi, Outback Jack and Jim Powers Defining Moments three-pack for $5." BS. It takes five seconds to respond to a message like the one I wrote; every industry is a service industry. If I took that attitude towards my thousands of customers in finance and all their "stupid questions" every time they sent me an email about their mortgage, etc. or the thousands of other things that come up during a day I would not get very far. There will always be those who make excuses for anything; its like the people who play Madden. The game is always great even with numerous problems. You have shown yourself to be one of those. |
|
|
|
Post by Next Man’s Yeeter on Jul 30, 2013 18:45:31 GMT -5
BS. It takes five seconds to respond to a message like the one I wrote; every industry is a service industry. If I took that attitude towards my thousands of customers in finance and all their "stupid questions" every time they sent me an email about their mortgage, etc. or the thousands of other things that come up during a day I would not get very far. If answering calls and emails from customers is part of your job, then yes, you answer calls and emails from customers. It's not part of Bill's job. Imagine if your job had nothing to do with responding to customers, but you still get thousands of customers sending you stupid questions that your company wouldn't let you answer anyway. Bill isn't here to give everyone secret scoops via PM, or to answer every single pedantic question we have, or to deal with returns and defective figures. If he ever does those things, it's a bonus, but it's sociopathic (not to mention counterproductive) to expect him to spend his day doing that instead of his actual job -- designing the toys. Mattel has other departments that deal with customer enquiries. Butthurt kids feeling overentitled isn't going to make MDT answer every PM he gets... If anything, it's just more likely to stop him interacting with the board at all. And that would be a bad thing. False. There's nothing to make an excuse for. Mattel's product, while great, has several valid flaws. I've posted about them in this very thread, even, and so have plenty of others. Some kid getting butthurt because a member of the design team didn't answer his unsolicited PMs is far from a valid criticism, that's all. |
|
|
|
Post by Last Trent Barreta Fan on Jul 30, 2013 20:02:22 GMT -5
I would like to see the other facescans they had taken for Trent Barreta's figure since they take more than one. Please.
|
|
IWFAnimation
Mid-Carder
I'm back...... PARTY HARD!
Joined on: Sept 28, 2011 20:27:38 GMT -5
Posts: 227
|
Post by IWFAnimation on Jul 30, 2013 20:12:59 GMT -5
I find Mattel easier to animate with since Jakks get loose easily
|
|
|
|
Post by PJ on Jul 30, 2013 20:19:19 GMT -5
Lol. at least 90% of the questions asked including the request above are things they aren't even aloud to answer even if they wanted to. There are lots of legal issues that come into play with their confidentiality agreements they have to adhere to. That's why it takes so long to see proto pics, because they need to wait until they get the OK to release them. And no the MDT isn't customer service. It's not their job to answer questions, but they do come here and answer what they can when they have the time in their schedules to do so.
|
|
|
|
Post by poindizzle on Jul 31, 2013 0:51:08 GMT -5
I hardly watch WWE anymore, haven't really since early 2012. If the figures weren't so awesome I wouldn't be buying them wholesale. I have bought every basic figure since series 27, and it doesn't look like I'm getting a break from that any time soon.
For the record, Jakks are a guilty pleasure of mine. I still collect them, still like how some of them look, but there is a line to be drawn at stylized and just plain poor. It's like the kid in school who would draw things and if you criticized it (even constructively) they would cop out and say "That's my style." That's a crutch. There are no rules to art, except there totally are. You can make abstract art all you want to, but the second you try to draw something based out of reality and representing something real you open a whole can of worms. Suddenly, if someone's drawing a hand and it looks nothing like a hand you are within your bounds as a critic to say, "Why that, that looks nothing like a hand" because there are in fact rules as to what does and does not work with stylization. I draw stylized artwork myself, and still ground it in the reality of real human anatomy. I studied the books when I was younger, I worked on perspective and foreshortening and all the good fundamentals that go with it. If you don't like my art, I promise you it won't be based on the underpinnings, it will be the aesthetic periphery.
Where am I going with this? Mattel, with those arms some people complain about, and those supposedly 'too-thin' torsos have managed to still capture anatomical detail and proportionality. Hell, the problem with Jakks isn't that the figures have enormous arms, that's the stylization I was referring to above, the problem is that these gigantic arms don't have shape and form that resemble real human anatomy. They look like a guess from an artist who was too lazy to use reference, or untalented at translating what they saw. It's like comparing Leinil Yu to Rob Liefeld. One of these guys knows how muscles are attached to bones, and one is just guessing and getting lucky sometimes.
|
|
|
|
Post by Matt Culture on Jul 31, 2013 8:32:07 GMT -5
Everyone is entitled to their own Opinion so these answers will always vary.
each Manufacturer had its Pros and Cons
Mattel PROS
MDT addressing issues and not making excuses
Better likeness to an actual Action Figure, Scans and Articulation are suburb
Accessories are less random and more detail put into them. instead of Matt Striker coming with a wrench instead of a mic (not that this happened)
Faster From Debut to Figure ratio. it took forever for Jakks to release some of the talent on the roster after they debuted.
Elite Scale ring was far superior to the Jakks Real Scale Ring.
Mattel's Classic Line was better detailed and better all around
SCALE - Mattel Nails Scale where Jakks could not Rey is actually short, Great Kahli tall
Cons
Distribution is horrible.
lack of secondary characters. Refs, Ring Announcers,etc with jakks we got a Lillian Garcia and a earl hebner figure.
too many 1 per case scenario. While yes it makes for great collectors items, it just gives scalpers and re-sellers more reason to rip us off. divas should be two per case
lack of depth in the legends/flashback/classic line. We really should have gotten a JYD, Beefcake, Big John Studd before a Rikishi or NWO Savage.
more Original Site exclusives. while the Cactus jack was nice. it could have been easier to throw him as a flashback, someone like Punk in Pink would have made a better exclusive.
accessories that don't match the figure. Tatanka with a bow and arrow. etc
Jakks Pros
Distribution. You could find even their 1 per every other case easier then half of mattels 1 per case.
Talent Pool. while slow to get them from Debut to figure. Jakks made a lot of characters from Classics to Ruthless aggression figures. there were a lot
Accessories. while some completely random like a wrench or a fan. Hardcore matches were never without TV's, Barbed wire Bats, and Kitchen sinks
more play sets. even if target exclusive rings with cardboard cut outs. We still got Carlitos cabana and pipers pit.
Jakks Cons
Likeness or scan. I always hated Matt Strikers first scan, looked like Eddie Munster. or Jimmy Valiant, looked like King Triton from Little Mermaid
SCALE - Rey beings the same size as Orton. Big John Studd being the same size as Greg valentine. grrrrr
Looked more like Dolls then action figures.
Over Saturation of figures. even though I complain about Mattel's distribution, Jakks seemed to clog shelves for a lot longer periods of time and caused dry spells
Jeremy from Jakks. Sorry I just wasn't a fan. and this is only my Opinion. I just felt that he made too many excuses for bad decisions and drawn out changes that were made.
sorry for the spelling, I am on my phone. and didn't bother to use spell check.
again this is just my opinion. I am not looking for a debate or someone to justify why my opinions sucks. just adding to the thread.
thanks
|
|
Don't Go Down
Main Eventer
5+ Refs from WF, ebay feedback (187) 100%
Joined on: Nov 1, 2003 2:45:27 GMT -5
Posts: 1,153
|
Post by Don't Go Down on Jul 31, 2013 13:23:45 GMT -5
thumbs totally up. I'll never forget opening up my Jakks street clothes Christian and looking at the back of his shirt to see Jakks just decided to detail the front half of the shirt and leave the back blank. Ditto with The Rockers.
People complain about Mattel being too small/thin. Jakks R3 yes a totally legitimate claim. But come on- Mattel figures are just more physically accurate to what a human being looks like. I hated the Jakks open hand that was bigger than the guy's head. Also how long their arms were and how fat and un-leglike the legs look. For their time the were great figures but they do not hold up well to me in retrospect. They had some decent efforts and impressive head scans- but that's about it.
Mattel has kept me very happy and I was totally content being done with wrestling figures until seeing them in stores wore me down to the point I had to start collecting again. That was 3 years ago at this point, which is insane. As stated above, they continue to improve so I wouldn't be surprised to see myself collecting this line for another 3 years.
|
|
|
|
Post by blu3blazer on Jul 31, 2013 14:00:04 GMT -5
As far as the design team, I give Mattel a thumbs up.
As far as distribution, they get a thumbs way down! In my city, I have a Toys R Us, two Walmarts, two Targets, and three Kmarts. I don't understand why every one of these stores has a HUGE section for WWE figures that is mostly empty! Why don't they get new product in? It makes them look bad when every other toy line has completely full pegs and all of the WWE pegs are empty. And it's not because they're selling the stuff that fast. I check most of these stores twice a week and others almost every day because they're on my way home from work and there is never even a sign of anything new.
|
|
|
|
Post by marino13 on Jul 31, 2013 15:59:19 GMT -5
I'll say this... I've been collecting wrestling figures for well over 25 years. And I've never been more proud of my collection then I am now.
|
|
Deleted
Joined on: Jun 17, 2024 13:45:38 GMT -5
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2013 21:51:09 GMT -5
BS. It takes five seconds to respond to a message like the one I wrote; every industry is a service industry. If I took that attitude towards my thousands of customers in finance and all their "stupid questions" every time they sent me an email about their mortgage, etc. or the thousands of other things that come up during a day I would not get very far. If answering calls and emails from customers is part of your job, then yes, you answer calls and emails from customers. It's not part of Bill's job. Imagine if your job had nothing to do with responding to customers, but you still get thousands of customers sending you stupid questions that your company wouldn't let you answer anyway. Bill isn't here to give everyone secret scoops via PM, or to answer every single pedantic question we have, or to deal with returns and defective figures. If he ever does those things, it's a bonus, but it's sociopathic (not to mention counterproductive) to expect him to spend his day doing that instead of his actual job -- designing the toys. Mattel has other departments that deal with customer enquiries. Butthurt kids feeling overentitled isn't going to make MDT answer every PM he gets... If anything, it's just more likely to stop him interacting with the board at all. And that would be a bad thing. False. There's nothing to make an excuse for. Mattel's product, while great, has several valid flaws. I've posted about them in this very thread, even, and so have plenty of others. Some kid getting butthurt because a member of the design team didn't answer his unsolicited PMs is far from a valid criticism, that's all. It would have taken him five seconds, its not too much to ask. |
|
|
|
Post by Chewdeezy on Jul 31, 2013 22:23:31 GMT -5
I bet you aren't the only kid sending MDT PM's.
|
|
|
|
Post by poindizzle on Jul 31, 2013 23:26:09 GMT -5
As far as the design team, I give Mattel a thumbs up. As far as distribution, they get a thumbs way down! In my city, I have a Toys R Us, two Walmarts, two Targets, and three Kmarts. I don't understand why every one of these stores has a HUGE section for WWE figures that is mostly empty! Why don't they get new product in? It makes them look bad when every other toy line has completely full pegs and all of the WWE pegs are empty. And it's not because they're selling the stuff that fast. I check most of these stores twice a week and others almost every day because they're on my way home from work and there is never even a sign of anything new. I have a Target and Wal-mart on the way home from work, so I stop in most every day also. It only takes 2 minutes out of my day, so why not. That being said, Target is like that 9/10's of the year. Empty pegs. It's ridiculous, and I'm checking often enough to know that it's not just stuff selling out fast. Mattel WWE is one of the bestselling action figure brands out there and yet Target doesn't want anything to do with them why? |
|
