Duke Silver
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Post by Duke Silver on Aug 7, 2013 0:15:31 GMT -5
Recently watched these movies again and brought back a lot of good memories. Both films are heralded as some of the best Marvel films ever made - the pedestal for which future Marvel films have been based on.
Which film do you guys propose is the best sequel?
I have to go with Spider-Man 2. Doc Ock was a great villain and everything flowed well.
Thoughts?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2013 0:30:01 GMT -5
X2.
I love Spider-Man 2, but Doc Ock being a "good guy" just does not sit well with me. Plus X2 is just amazing, probably my favorite X-Men film.
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Aug 7, 2013 2:29:07 GMT -5
I can't choose, I love them both.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2013 2:30:50 GMT -5
X2
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Post by Mr. K.O on Aug 7, 2013 3:24:57 GMT -5
I loved Spider-Man 2, but hated how Doc was made a sympathetic villain. Would have been more bad ass as just an all around "Evil" guy.
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Post by Jamal on Aug 7, 2013 5:57:47 GMT -5
Easily X2. I prefer the amazing Spider-Man series.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2013 6:01:39 GMT -5
X-Men II.it was an absolutely ace sequel with a great villain and plot.
Spider man II looked so effin hot on paper BUT for me it had the following problems
1)Otto Octavious is not a sympathetic villain like Lizard....but Raimi seemed intent on making every villain sympathetic like Lizard....instead of actually using Lizard.Doc Ock is an evil bastard.yet in this movie he was castrated and the tentacles were in control....very disappointing for me as a HUGE Ock fan.
2)Parker moping.....way too much of this.
but saying that....I still enjoyed it and I enjoyed Ocks look in the movie and fight sequences.I just feel SMII is overrated.
but X2 was awesomeness itself.
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Post by johnnyb on Aug 7, 2013 7:44:36 GMT -5
X2. The Raimi Spider-Man movies are really bad. Almost no redeeming values.
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Post by MacReady on Aug 7, 2013 8:23:12 GMT -5
X2 is still the best X-men movie to date; I'd also venture to call it one of the top 5 CBM's of all time.
Spider-man 2 is great as well; but I remember being VERY, VERY excited at the promise of X2; where as I just saw Spider-man 2 because it was the sequel.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2013 9:24:22 GMT -5
I tell ya this Macready-its in my top ten easily.and it defo makes my top 5 CBM sequels.
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Post by The Future on Aug 7, 2013 9:42:59 GMT -5
The true question is- which was worse:
Spiderman 3 or X-Men: the Last Stand?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2013 10:07:10 GMT -5
I absolutely hate X2, even moreso than X3. The story is one of the most boring that they could have used. Not to menton that they introduced Nightcrawler, who is normally a great character but was portrayed so horrendously that I've forever since hated Alan Cumming with my entire being. I think the only good scene in X2 was at the start when Wolverine was fighting Striker's men when they intruded in the mansion. Plus, why the hell was Cyclops barely used?
At least X3 had Kelsey Grammer as Beast and Ellen Page as Kitty, they both make that film worth watching. But there's just something incredibly bad about all of the X-Men movies, they are quite good if you don't know anything about the X-Men, but if you've read the original comics (the first 200-300 issues) then they are a very poor representation of them. They have so many interesting stories to tell, they never told any of them in the X-Men films well. I'm willing to wager that DOFP will be a huge let down.
The Raimi Spiderman films are a great representation of the original Spidey stories. Spiderman 2 was a great film. Yeah they shouldn't have made Doc a sympathetic villain as it's kind of out of character, but at least it gave him some depth.
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Post by The Yes Man on Aug 7, 2013 10:30:04 GMT -5
X2. Sympathetic Doc Ock was garbage.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2013 11:32:57 GMT -5
Spider-Man 2! I mean at least it somewhat followed the comic material!
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Post by punksnotdead on Aug 7, 2013 12:16:00 GMT -5
X2, but I personally believe these were both the best film in their trilogy.
As far as The Last Stand vs Spidey 3? I'll take the Last Stand. Ratner seemingly did what he could with a pretty bad script, that Singer honestly put into a corner imo. Had Professor X not exploded in that film, I tend to think people would look back on it in a positive light. Ratner did some cool things like the danger room and giving us a fastball special, the cast was pretty great, and the climax delivered for me. I mostly can't even watch Spidey 3. Venom was ruined, Spider-man was ruined, the back peddling on the origin was bad, Franco was unbearable with his bipolar spurts, and the one great villain in the movie you had, you felt sorry for and understood why he was doing it. I thought BDH was fantastic, so I would have liked to see more of her and that story played out, but Spider-man 3 is the worst of any of the 6 movies for me.
I just stand by the opinion that Raimi wasn't the write guy to helm Spider-man. He did it his way, with his type of cast, and it just didn't work imo. I'm sure plenty of people enjoyed it, but that wasn't Spider-man for me. People tend to defend crap with the word campy in regards to Raimi, and that's never been an acceptable defense imo.
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Post by johnnyb on Aug 7, 2013 13:19:48 GMT -5
X2, but I personally believe these were both the best film in their trilogy. As far as The Last Stand vs Spidey 3? I'll take the Last Stand. Ratner seemingly did what he could with a pretty bad script, that Singer honestly put into a corner imo. Had Professor X not exploded in that film, I tend to think people would look back on it in a positive light. Ratner did some cool things like the danger room and giving us a fastball special, the cast was pretty great, and the climax delivered for me. I mostly can't even watch Spidey 3. Venom was ruined, Spider-man was ruined, the back peddling on the origin was bad, Franco was unbearable with his bipolar spurts, and the one great villain in the movie you had, you felt sorry for and understood why he was doing it. I thought BDH was fantastic, so I would have liked to see more of her and that story played out, but Spider-man 3 is the worst of any of the 6 movies for me. I just stand by the opinion that Raimi wasn't the write guy to helm Spider-man. He did it his way, with his type of cast, and it just didn't work imo. I'm sure plenty of people enjoyed it, but that wasn't Spider-man for me. People tend to defend crap with the word campy in regards to Raimi, and that's never been an acceptable defense imo. Story of Ratner's career. He's done nothing but direct movies with bad scripts (except for the first Rush Hour). The thing is "what he could" usually doesn't amount to much. He's not a creative director in any sense of the word. Really, the only good reason ever to watch a minute of this movie ever again is to catch Kelsey Grammer dominating every scene he's in as Beast. That was brilliant casting. It's a shame that he doesn't appear to be coming back for DOFP, especially since the new guy playing Beast is such a mediocre actor. Also, I feel like all of the criticism I levied upon Ratner is applicable to Sam Raimi as well. As bad as The Last Stand was, I think all three Spider-Man movies were worse. |
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Post by TurboEddie on Aug 7, 2013 13:33:31 GMT -5
Are you kidding me? Easily Spider-Man 2.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2013 14:19:10 GMT -5
making Doc Ock sympathetic didn't give him one iota of depth IMO.....his nice guy backstory(complete with gentle smiley wife)felt forced and unnatural-because it was.Ock is bad.....simple as.having a properly bad ock and less Spider moaning would have secured this movies greatness for me.
Imagine if Molina had portrayed Ock as the arrogant swine who didn't give a crap how dangerous his science was?
Raimis obsession with having EVERY villain as sympathetic was just infuriating to me.theirs nothing sympathetic about Osborn either....yet he was played for sympathy in 1.
all the while he wouldn't use Spideys main(arguably sole)sympathetic villain-the Lizard.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2013 14:28:18 GMT -5
The true question is- which was worse: Spiderman 3 or X-Men: the Last Stand? I like X3 but haven't seen Spider-Man 3 in full in years |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2013 17:39:15 GMT -5
X-Men 2 for me
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