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Post by Halloween King on Aug 8, 2013 1:13:41 GMT -5
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Post by Halloween King on Aug 8, 2013 1:24:45 GMT -5
I feel that the lady owner of the coffee shop is nuts. First off you work in retail, so you should always service the customer. If the customer went in, paid, enojoyed food/drink, and in the process made a mess, then that is all part of doing business. The babys made a mess, not on purpose, because they enjoyed what you sold them. And then the Owner goes over to talk trash? What did she expect?
Am I as a customer no longer allowed to get a scone because it will crumble and crumbs will fall to the floor? Should I no longer order a coffee because the coffee will dirty a cup?
I really hope that the business owner was just having a bad day in which she snapped. I would hate to think people exist out there that think they are holyer than thou just cause they dont have children, or cause they clean up after themselves.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2013 1:28:36 GMT -5
As someone who works in the food industry it's hard not to dislike kids and the elderly. If I ever have a bad day it's usually because of them. On this situation, just another thing the media wants to blow up and make a big deal about. It wasn't a wise business decision on the woman's part but then again i'ts not a big deal in the first place.
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Post by slappy on Aug 8, 2013 1:32:09 GMT -5
First off you work in retail, so you should always service the customer. It's her business. She should be allowed to choose who she wants as customers.
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Post by Halloween King on Aug 8, 2013 2:04:13 GMT -5
First off you work in retail, so you should always service the customer. It's her business. She should be allowed to choose who she wants as customers. Right and she did choose. She took the women's money. She let them be customers now she sould provide her services with out nagging. I bet she didnt complain when they paid her.
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Post by slappy on Aug 8, 2013 2:09:25 GMT -5
It's her business. She should be allowed to choose who she wants as customers. Right and she did choose. She took the women's money. She let them be customers now she sould provide her services with out nagging. I bet she didnt complain when they paid her. But if she out righted banned them I'd bet those parents would throw a fit. If there are extremely messy people she should have the right to kick them out. And it's not like she knew the name of the woman and her kids and publicized it and scolded them for it. She just took a picture and posted it.
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Post by Halloween King on Aug 8, 2013 2:17:46 GMT -5
Right and she did choose. She took the women's money. She let them be customers now she sould provide her services with out nagging. I bet she didnt complain when they paid her. But if she out righted banned them I'd bet those parents would throw a fit. If there are extremely messy people she should have the right to kick them out. And it's not like she knew the name of the woman and her kids and publicized it and scolded them for it. She just took a picture and posted it. Extremely messy? What constitutes an extremely messy person? Ever go to a public event? Ever notice the huge mess that is made? Should that be the cause that no one is allowed to a parade, or carnival, or festival? I think that it's impossible to label people as extremely messy, unless they verbally tell you they are making a mess on purpose. Other than that I look at it as the people/customer enjoyed there stay/meal at your establishment.
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Post by slappy on Aug 8, 2013 2:25:44 GMT -5
But if she out righted banned them I'd bet those parents would throw a fit. If there are extremely messy people she should have the right to kick them out. And it's not like she knew the name of the woman and her kids and publicized it and scolded them for it. She just took a picture and posted it. Extremely messy? What constitutes an extremely messy person? Ever go to a public event? Ever notice the huge mess that is made? Should that be the cause that no one is allowed to a parade, or carnival, or festival? I think that it's impossible to label people as extremely messy, unless they verbally tell you they are making a mess on purpose. Other than that I look at it as the people/customer enjoyed there stay/meal at your establishment. Whatever the business owner deems extremely messy. Obviously she thought it was extremely messy. If the organizers want to kick people out of their festival or whatever because they feel the person is being messy then that's up to them. You can be extremely messy and not do it on purpose.
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Post by Halloween King on Aug 8, 2013 2:51:11 GMT -5
Extremely messy? What constitutes an extremely messy person? Ever go to a public event? Ever notice the huge mess that is made? Should that be the cause that no one is allowed to a parade, or carnival, or festival? I think that it's impossible to label people as extremely messy, unless they verbally tell you they are making a mess on purpose. Other than that I look at it as the people/customer enjoyed there stay/meal at your establishment. Whatever the business owner deems extremely messy. Obviously she thought it was extremely messy. If the organizers want to kick people out of their festival or whatever because they feel the person is being messy then that's up to them. You can be extremely messy and not do it on purpose. Did you see the pics? Did you see the small amount of crumbs the kids dropped? She sold pastrys to women with babys. You should know the women were going to share. So before she took money she made the decision to accept what would follow. Should you now sweep after yourself every where you go? Should you have to make the bed when you stay at a hotel? Should I not have to get my hands dirty when I do my job? I love taking the money every week. But when I have to get grease on my hands form a dirty kingpin or from a dirty landing gear crank I hate it. Should i tell my customers they arent allowed to have deliverys now cause im not willing to accept they dirty parts of the job? It's just so silly to me. You know that pastrys leave crumbs. Dont sell pastrys if you dont want crumbs on your floor. She knew, yet she still sold, so now do your job and clean after your customers. In today's economy that woman should have been happy she even had customers to begin with.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2013 2:51:59 GMT -5
The woman should not have complained on something like Facebook , just keep between friends or co workers
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Post by slappy on Aug 8, 2013 3:00:44 GMT -5
Whatever the business owner deems extremely messy. Obviously she thought it was extremely messy. If the organizers want to kick people out of their festival or whatever because they feel the person is being messy then that's up to them. You can be extremely messy and not do it on purpose. Did you see the pics? Did you see the small amount of crumbs the kids dropped? She sold pastrys to women with babys. You should know the women were going to share. So before she took money she made the decision to accept what would follow. Should you now sweep after yourself every where you go? Should you have to make the bed when you stay at a hotel? Should I not have to get my hands dirty when I do my job? I love taking the money every week. But when I have to get grease on my hands form a dirty kingpin or from a dirty landing gear crank I hate it. Should i tell my customers they arent allowed to have deliverys now cause im not willing to accept they dirty parts of the job? It's just so silly to me. You know that pastrys leave crumbs. Dont sell pastrys if you dont want crumbs on your floor. She knew, yet she still sold, so now do your job and clean after your customers. In today's economy that woman should have been happy she even had customers to begin with. Grocery store Aldi makes you bag your own groceries. If a restaurant wants people to clean up after themselves they can advertise as such or they can add a cleaning fee to the bill if they don't want to. It's up to the owner. If it is the policy of the place you are buying stuff from then follow their rules. You can find another job if you don't like being messy. Just like the owner should be able to ban messy people if she wants. Eat over the damn table. You don't have to make a mess. She also said one of the kids was screaming. I know that kids do that but the parents should quiet them down, if they can't then they should leave. If someone goes into your hotel and pays for a room and then makes tons of noise, should you be able to kick them out? They already paid so I guess they can do what they want?
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Post by Yeezy's Mullet: Team X Blades on Aug 8, 2013 5:24:49 GMT -5
Sorry Slappy, Milicoln's right here. Sure she has the right to do whatever she wants because it's her business. But she needs to wake up and consider that in the real world, people carry their babies with them and babies make messes. She, as a business owner should consider the type of place she's going to run if she doesn't want a certain type of customer to frequent her place.
She's also just not being practical. What eatery have you ever seen where people don't leave a mess or some sort? I understand that at 'stop and go' places like coffee shops and fast food joints there are no waiters but it's not like the parent left a table full of trash either. This is a mess that anyone could have and probably HAD left before. But because kids made that mess it's now intolerable? I'm sure she's never had to clean up a spilled coffee or crumby doughnut that that someone's dropped without noticing.
Bottom line is she was being a jackass to her customers with kids for something that I can almost guarantee has happened in some fashion with full blown adult customers.
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Post by The Mask of Truth on Aug 8, 2013 5:30:21 GMT -5
The woman's just a tad bit lonely.
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Post by slappy on Aug 8, 2013 5:47:05 GMT -5
Sorry Slappy, Milicoln's right here. Sure she has the right to do whatever she wants because it's her business. But she needs to wake up and consider that in the real world, people carry their babies with them and babies make messes. She, as a business owner should consider the type of place she's going to run if she doesn't want a certain type of customer to frequent her place. She's also just not being practical. What eatery have you ever seen where people don't leave a mess or some sort? I understand that at 'stop and go' places like coffee shops and fast food joints there are no waiters but it's not like the parent left a table full of trash either. This is a mess that anyone could have and probably HAD left before. But because kids made that mess it's now intolerable? I'm sure she's never had to clean up a spilled coffee or crumby doughnut that that someone's dropped without noticing. Bottom line is she was being a jackass to her customers with kids for something that I can almost guarantee has happened in some fashion with full blown adult customers. Was she being unreasonable to think people don't make messes? Sure. But I don't understand why she can't complain if she wants. Why is the mother taking great offense? The owner didn't name names, the mother was the one that decided to "out" herself as the one behind the mess. If the owner had posted a credit card receipt along with a picture of the mess then I'd be on the mother's side. She also said one of the kids kept screaming so I don't think that helped matters. If she doesn't want them in her business then she can tell them to leave. If she doesn't want kids in her business, it may cost her some customers but it should be her right to say no. Or if she wants to post signs saying if you make a mess you'll be charged extra, she should be allowed to do that too. People will cry foul either way.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Aug 8, 2013 6:31:38 GMT -5
Clearly no one actually looked at the photo. It looks like the kid basically crumbled up the entire scone and tossed it on the ground. Yes, I think parents should clean up after their kids.
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Post by Halloween King on Aug 8, 2013 11:03:24 GMT -5
Clearly no one actually looked at the photo. It looks like the kid basically crumbled up the entire scone and tossed it on the ground. Yes, I think parents should clean up after their kids. I saw the picture, it doesnt look like that big of a mess. The issue here was the woman (owner) didnt want to have to sweep the floor. Has anyone here ever gotten a scone at a coffee shop? If you have then you would know they crumble very easily. Just like when you eat a turnover, only turnovers leave flakey bits. Scones however leave chunky cookie like crumbs. Also.... I clicked on the link provided by the news station, which took me to the stations facebook. What made me smile was that on the picture the woman (mom) self identified and explained. Did you see the pics? Did you see the small amount of crumbs the kids dropped? She sold pastrys to women with babys. You should know the women were going to share. So before she took money she made the decision to accept what would follow. Should you now sweep after yourself every where you go? Should you have to make the bed when you stay at a hotel? Should I not have to get my hands dirty when I do my job? I love taking the money every week. But when I have to get grease on my hands form a dirty kingpin or from a dirty landing gear crank I hate it. Should i tell my customers they arent allowed to have deliverys now cause im not willing to accept they dirty parts of the job? It's just so silly to me. You know that pastrys leave crumbs. Dont sell pastrys if you dont want crumbs on your floor. She knew, yet she still sold, so now do your job and clean after your customers. In today's economy that woman should have been happy she even had customers to begin with. Grocery store Aldi makes you bag your own groceries. If a restaurant wants people to clean up after themselves they can advertise as such or they can add a cleaning fee to the bill if they don't want to. It's up to the owner. If it is the policy of the place you are buying stuff from then follow their rules. You can find another job if you don't like being messy. Just like the owner should be able to ban messy people if she wants. Eat over the damn table. You don't have to make a mess. She also said one of the kids was screaming. I know that kids do that but the parents should quiet them down, if they can't then they should leave. If someone goes into your hotel and pays for a room and then makes tons of noise, should you be able to kick them out? They already paid so I guess they can do what they want? Wow you said so much, and so little made sense. Babys are tiny human beings, little bundles of joy. They are not an electronic device which you can mute when you are displeased with the sounds they make. While I agree that if a baby is crying then try to comfort your baby, I dont agree with you wanting them to leave. You were a baby once, you prob cryed and screamed more than once. A hotel, as is with my job, as is with the coffee shop, are businesses. You want the money. SO you take everything that goes with it. That includes the messy parts. The woman took money, so expect to clean up after customers. A hotel takes money, so expect people to leave a room undone. I love my job and I love my money so I dont mind getting a little dirty. I only mentioned those things to make a point as to how silly that woman business owner is being. I'll tell you this much. She will lose customers because of this. I know if I lived in that area, unless she had fantastic coffee, I wouldnt return as a customer.
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Post by Dat guy ova der on Aug 8, 2013 11:24:53 GMT -5
As a child, I was always taught that if I left a mess anywhere the right thing to do was to clean it up. Leaving your messes in someone else's establishments just seems downright rude to me. Should you have to leave your area spotless? No, I wouldn't say that that is reasonable, but especially if you have children, you should clean it up.
I don't think that the business owner was out of line at all. She should be able to serve whoever she wants to serve or not serve for any reason she wants. Could she lose business from parents because she asks some with messy kids/loud kids to leave? Yeah, but she'd also lose business from people who don't like to hear a child screaming or sit at a messy table while they enjoy their coffee/pastries. Be a responsible parent and get your child to quiet down and teach them to clean up after themselves. I understand that one of the children here is only one year old. In my experience though, you don't hand a one year old child a scone and let them throw it everywhere without cleaning up after them.
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Post by slappy on Aug 8, 2013 15:59:57 GMT -5
Wow you said so much, and so little made sense. Babys are tiny human beings, little bundles of joy. They are not an electronic device which you can mute when you are displeased with the sounds they make. While I agree that if a baby is crying then try to comfort your baby, I dont agree with you wanting them to leave. You were a baby once, you prob cryed and screamed more than once. A hotel, as is with my job, as is with the coffee shop, are businesses. You want the money. SO you take everything that goes with it. That includes the messy parts. The woman took money, so expect to clean up after customers. A hotel takes money, so expect people to leave a room undone. I love my job and I love my money so I dont mind getting a little dirty. I only mentioned those things to make a point as to how silly that woman business owner is being. I'll tell you this much. She will lose customers because of this. I know if I lived in that area, unless she had fantastic coffee, I wouldnt return as a customer. I don't understand why you can't understand that she should be allowed to run her business as she sees fit. If she doesn't want messy people around then she shouldn't have to have messy people in her business. I know you keep saying that messes will happen but if she doesn't want them then she should have the right to kick them out if she wants or to charge them a cleaning fee or both. If she doesn't want screaming, crying kids, again, she should be allowed to tell the parents to quiet down the kid(s) or leave. She may be silly but it's her business. Her business, her rules. You should not have a say in how she runs her business. If she wants to make all these rules that make everyone not go there then that's her prerogative.
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Post by Halloween King on Aug 9, 2013 0:52:28 GMT -5
Wow you said so much, and so little made sense. Babys are tiny human beings, little bundles of joy. They are not an electronic device which you can mute when you are displeased with the sounds they make. While I agree that if a baby is crying then try to comfort your baby, I dont agree with you wanting them to leave. You were a baby once, you prob cryed and screamed more than once. A hotel, as is with my job, as is with the coffee shop, are businesses. You want the money. SO you take everything that goes with it. That includes the messy parts. The woman took money, so expect to clean up after customers. A hotel takes money, so expect people to leave a room undone. I love my job and I love my money so I dont mind getting a little dirty. I only mentioned those things to make a point as to how silly that woman business owner is being. I'll tell you this much. She will lose customers because of this. I know if I lived in that area, unless she had fantastic coffee, I wouldnt return as a customer. I don't understand why you can't understand that she should be allowed to run her business as she sees fit. If she doesn't want messy people around then she shouldn't have to have messy people in her business. I know you keep saying that messes will happen but if she doesn't want them then she should have the right to kick them out if she wants or to charge them a cleaning fee or both. If she doesn't want screaming, crying kids, again, she should be allowed to tell the parents to quiet down the kid(s) or leave. She may be silly but it's her business. Her business, her rules. You should not have a say in how she runs her business. If she wants to make all these rules that make everyone not go there then that's her prerogative. Im not saying that a person doesnt have the right to run their business as they see fit. Im saying that when you run a business or do a job then you should be prepared to deal with all aspects. That includes cleaning up messes. If the woman didn't want to clean up after babys than she should not have sold those women customers the scones in the first place. But she did sell them the scones, so she should be prepared to clean up after babys. Dont take your customers money and then turn around and complain that they made you work for the money. That's why I used a hotel room as an example.
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Post by Flair Forever on Aug 12, 2013 14:55:38 GMT -5
I work in the restaurant industry.
It never ceases to amaze me when an employee is upset about cleaning up someone else's mess - this is the "service" industry - if there were no messes to be cleaned up, we would not have employment.
Restaurants that are clean - are not clean because they have neat & clean customers. They are clean because they have a hard-working staff who care about their building and strive to keep it that way all the time.
Anyone in food service who has a problem with cleaning up after other people - is in the wrong line of business. It is a hot, messy, dirty industry... and it's not for everyone.
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