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Post by adzy on Aug 11, 2013 3:03:12 GMT -5
I said anyone besides Lesnar and barrett Why did you leave Del Rio out if you excluded Lesnar and Barrett? That doesn't make sense to me. Del Rio is s PRIDE veteran with a 9-5 MMA record with 7 wins by submission and 2 by knockout. I didn't realise he had experience aswell
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2013 3:26:13 GMT -5
Actually Bart was the favorite going in. He had experience in those kind of toughman competitions. Really the "office" thought Dr. Death was going to win and had planned on using this to launch him to the top of the card. They were shocked as **** when Bart knocked him out, injured him and went all the way as no one expected it. That is why they did absolutely nothing to capitalize on it afterward and did nothing with Bart. He was part of a jobber tag team at the time and if they had any, I repeat any plans for him whatsoever they would have jumped on his win. He then got the match with Butterbean where he was disposed of in like 30 seconds and wasn't seen again. Even though I haven't seen it, Bart talks about it at length in his shoot. They took him off TV for 6 months to derail any momentum he had, and booked the Butterbean match in an attempt to sabotage his career (he was getting pretty popular after the BFA). Think about it, they put him in a boxing match, with a pro boxer who was 41-1-1. Jim Ross wasn't happy with Bart for KOing his buddy Dr Death, he saw to it that Bart didn't go anywhere. Jim Cornette also talks about it a lot, you kind find loads of videos on youtube of him dishing on it. Williams had NEVER boxed, he'd never used gloves and he was at a complete disadvantage.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2013 3:45:31 GMT -5
Brawl 4 All needed more Vader.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2013 4:49:53 GMT -5
Brawl 4 All needed more Vader. I wonder if Bart could have KOd Vader...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2013 5:16:59 GMT -5
" While living in Liverpool in his early twenties, Bennett became a champion bare-knuckle boxer, going on to fight in various locations throughout Europe. He competed in a match dubbed by the bare knuckle underworld as 'The Battle of Buda', in which he defeated a reputable opponent for a big cash prize. Afterwards, as he walked through an alleyway in search of a taxi to the airport, Bennett was stabbed with an eight-inch blade by someone who attempted to steal the cash. He has refused to elaborate on the incident for legal reasons, but the assailant incurred serious injuries, and Bennett escaped with the cash despite significant blood loss. The attack left him with a 12-inch scar that stretches from his upper back to halfway down his right triceps, and the punches he took during his bare-knuckle career left him with a disfigured nose, but he has expressed no regret over that period of his life." 99.9% of the WWE Roster (the world population in general for that matter) would bitch out in that situation. It doesn't matter how Barrett is built, he would thrash Cena. Cena got stabbed too, by Jesus of all of people. Yeah, he's pretty brutal.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2013 5:49:06 GMT -5
Brawl 4 All needed more Vader. I wonder if Bart could have KOd Vader... Doubt it
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2013 6:01:38 GMT -5
I wonder if Bart could have KOd Vader... Doubt it Ya never know. Dr Death was one of the toughest wrestlers ever and Bart knocked him out.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2013 6:22:29 GMT -5
Ya never know. Dr Death was one of the toughest wrestlers ever and Bart knocked him out. Good point
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2013 6:35:39 GMT -5
Brawl 4 All needed more Vader. I wonder if Bart could have KOd Vader... Insert Dean Ambrose "Nope" gif here. Vader doesn't lay down for anybody.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2013 7:22:49 GMT -5
I wonder if Bart could have KOd Vader... Insert Dean Ambrose "Nope" gif here. Vader doesn't lay down for anybody. I wonder how different Butterbean vs Vader would have been. Vader is much closer in size and weight to bean. Then again if Bart hadn't made Doc look weak then JR wouldn't have come up with the Butterbean idea.
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Post by -=[ CRuSH ]=- on Aug 11, 2013 7:29:18 GMT -5
I've always thought what if Haku had been in the B4A?
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Post by Barney Stinson on Aug 11, 2013 11:50:52 GMT -5
Really the "office" thought Dr. Death was going to win and had planned on using this to launch him to the top of the card. They were shocked as **** when Bart knocked him out, injured him and went all the way as no one expected it. That is why they did absolutely nothing to capitalize on it afterward and did nothing with Bart. He was part of a jobber tag team at the time and if they had any, I repeat any plans for him whatsoever they would have jumped on his win. He then got the match with Butterbean where he was disposed of in like 30 seconds and wasn't seen again. Even though I haven't seen it, Bart talks about it at length in his shoot. They took him off TV for 6 months to derail any momentum he had, and booked the Butterbean match in an attempt to sabotage his career (he was getting pretty popular after the BFA). Think about it, they put him in a boxing match, with a pro boxer who was 41-1-1. Jim Ross wasn't happy with Bart for KOing his buddy Dr Death, he saw to it that Bart didn't go anywhere. Jim Cornette also talks about it a lot, you kind find loads of videos on youtube of him dishing on it. Williams had NEVER boxed, he'd never used gloves and he was at a complete disadvantage. I agree with your comments, but in essence, you just proved my point. You said that Bart was a favorite going in because he had tough man competition experience. The fans didn't know that, so that made him just another guy in the tourney to them. If the office knew Bart was such a favorite, they wouldn't have made the bracket for him to face Dr. Death. They probably thought Doc would make quick work of him. So yes what I originally said about no one expecting Bart to win holds true. I was just trying to say that there could be someone on today's roster like that, that we don't know that they could go, because they never fought pro, or whatnot. For all we know Jinder Mahal could legit be able to beat anyone, but since he's never been tested in a fight, we never know. (I'm not saying Jinder could, just using his name as an example). Just because you are a fan of Bart Gunn, doesn't mean he was the favorite going in. I think it's cool that people are fans of guys that never made it that big. But lets be realistic. Just because you are fans of these guys, don't have delusions of grandeur thinking that they were better than they were. That would be like me liking junk food and arguing until I was blue in the face claiming it was healthy for me. It's just not going to happen.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2013 12:00:42 GMT -5
Even though I haven't seen it, Bart talks about it at length in his shoot. They took him off TV for 6 months to derail any momentum he had, and booked the Butterbean match in an attempt to sabotage his career (he was getting pretty popular after the BFA). Think about it, they put him in a boxing match, with a pro boxer who was 41-1-1. Jim Ross wasn't happy with Bart for KOing his buddy Dr Death, he saw to it that Bart didn't go anywhere. Jim Cornette also talks about it a lot, you kind find loads of videos on youtube of him dishing on it. Williams had NEVER boxed, he'd never used gloves and he was at a complete disadvantage. I agree with your comments, but in essence, you just proved my point. You said that Bart was a favorite going in because he had tough man competition experience. The fans didn't know that, so that made him just another guy in the tourney to them. If the office knew Bart was such a favorite, they wouldn't have made the bracket for him to face Dr. Death. They probably thought Doc would make quick work of him. So yes what I originally said about no one expecting Bart to win holds true. I was just trying to say that there could be someone on today's roster like that, that we don't know that they could go, because they never fought pro, or whatnot. For all we know Jinder Mahal could legit be able to beat anyone, but since he's never been tested in a fight, we never know. (I'm not saying Jinder could, just using his name as an example). Just because you are a fan of Bart Gunn, doesn't mean he was the favorite going in. I think it's cool that people are fans of guys that never made it that big. But lets be realistic. Just because you are fans of these guys, don't have delusions of grandeur thinking that they were better than they were. That would be like me liking junk food and arguing until I was blue in the face claiming it was healthy for me. It's just not going to happen. There were people in the office that knew Bart was going to win. But they weren't able to convince McMahon and Russo that. I'm not saying Bart should have been a world champion. But they should have capitolised on the BFA and put him in a PPV match with Austin, put Austin over (giving Austin more cred as a tough guy) and then drop down and win the IC title with Cornette as a manager. You should listen to Cornette talk about it:
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Post by Barney Stinson on Aug 11, 2013 12:17:38 GMT -5
I agree with your comments, but in essence, you just proved my point. You said that Bart was a favorite going in because he had tough man competition experience. The fans didn't know that, so that made him just another guy in the tourney to them. If the office knew Bart was such a favorite, they wouldn't have made the bracket for him to face Dr. Death. They probably thought Doc would make quick work of him. So yes what I originally said about no one expecting Bart to win holds true. I was just trying to say that there could be someone on today's roster like that, that we don't know that they could go, because they never fought pro, or whatnot. For all we know Jinder Mahal could legit be able to beat anyone, but since he's never been tested in a fight, we never know. (I'm not saying Jinder could, just using his name as an example). Just because you are a fan of Bart Gunn, doesn't mean he was the favorite going in. I think it's cool that people are fans of guys that never made it that big. But lets be realistic. Just because you are fans of these guys, don't have delusions of grandeur thinking that they were better than they were. That would be like me liking junk food and arguing until I was blue in the face claiming it was healthy for me. It's just not going to happen. There were people in the office that knew Bart was going to win. But they weren't able to convince McMahon and Russo that. I'm not saying Bart should have been a world champion. But they should have capitolised on the BFA and put him in a PPV match with Austin, put Austin over (giving Austin more cred as a tough guy) and then drop down and win the IC title with Cornette as a manager. You should listen to Cornette talk about it: Ok, Bart v. Austin, never was going to happen, ever. If you want that match watch Superstars from the winter of 96. And once again you are not listening to me, I said the fans had no idea about Bart's background and the fans did not look at Bart as the favorite going in. I was just saying the office thought this would be Dr. Death's launching pad and were thrown off by the Bart KO. I have no qualms with you or who you like, but be realistic. If you are really a fan of somebody, you see their flaws and shortcomings as well as their successes and talents. Bart Gunn was never going to be a main eventer in WWE in this universe or in any alternate universe. That doesn't take away from the talent he did possess, but call a spade a spade. When you continually try to defend why someone like him or Anvil or Tensai should have been this or that, you just lose more credibility with what you say because you are obviously looking through rose colored glasses. I was a big fan of HBK in the ring, but I will still come out and say he was one of the biggest jerks and babies at the time of his run. I was a Paul London fan, but never once said he should have been this or that. I can't buy an argument when the points being made are out of emotional attachment, rather than realism and facts. If I came out and kept saying Jesus of Los Boricuas or 8-Ball should have been fighting Austin for the belt on PPV, people would say I'm crazy. Bart Gunn was on their level, like it or not. Unfortunately he couldn't break out, whether politically being held back or just lack of charisma or main event level talent. We have to face facts. Austin v. Bart Gunn, even after he won Brawl for All would still be looked at like a joke.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2013 12:23:13 GMT -5
There were people in the office that knew Bart was going to win. But they weren't able to convince McMahon and Russo that. I'm not saying Bart should have been a world champion. But they should have capitolised on the BFA and put him in a PPV match with Austin, put Austin over (giving Austin more cred as a tough guy) and then drop down and win the IC title with Cornette as a manager. You should listen to Cornette talk about it: Ok, Bart v. Austin, never was going to happen, ever. If you want that match watch Superstars from the winter of 96. And once again you are not listening to me, I said the fans had no idea about Bart's background and the fans did not look at Bart as the favorite going in. I was just saying the office thought this would be Dr. Death's launching pad and were thrown off by the Bart KO. I have no qualms with you or who you like, but be realistic. If you are really a fan of somebody, you see their flaws and shortcomings as well as their successes and talents. Bart Gunn was never going to be a main eventer in WWE in this universe or in any alternate universe. That doesn't take away from the talent he did possess, but call a spade a spade. When you continually try to defend why someone like him or Anvil or Tensai should have been this or that, you just lose more credibility with what you say because you are obviously looking through rose colored glasses. I was a big fan of HBK in the ring, but I will still come out and say he was one of the biggest jerks and babies at the time of his run. I was a Paul London fan, but never once said he should have been this or that. I can't buy an argument when the points being made are out of emotional attachment, rather than realism and facts. If I came out and kept saying Jesus of Los Boricuas or 8-Ball should have been fighting Austin for the belt on PPV, people would say I'm crazy. Bart Gunn was on their level, like it or not. Unfortunately he couldn't break out, whether politically being held back or just lack of charisma or main event level talent. We have to face facts. Austin v. Bart Gunn, even after he won Brawl for All would still be looked at like a joke. Not at all. I'm being realistic here. After KOing his way through the BFA, he got himself over whether you like it or not. He was the only BFA competitor to actually have the crowd behind him during the matches (after he KOd Doc). As Cornette said they had a new star in Bart Gunn but they didn't capitalise on it. Again, I'm not saying Bart was going to be the next Rock. But they should have made some money with him rather than send him home for 6 months. He should have been given the PPV match that hey originally planned for Williams. Austin would have gone over him and then he could have sunk into the mid card. That isn't an "emotional attachment". That's a realistic overview of the route they should have taken to salvage what was a horrible, horrible idea.
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Post by Barney Stinson on Aug 11, 2013 12:38:16 GMT -5
Ok, Bart v. Austin, never was going to happen, ever. If you want that match watch Superstars from the winter of 96. And once again you are not listening to me, I said the fans had no idea about Bart's background and the fans did not look at Bart as the favorite going in. I was just saying the office thought this would be Dr. Death's launching pad and were thrown off by the Bart KO. I have no qualms with you or who you like, but be realistic. If you are really a fan of somebody, you see their flaws and shortcomings as well as their successes and talents. Bart Gunn was never going to be a main eventer in WWE in this universe or in any alternate universe. That doesn't take away from the talent he did possess, but call a spade a spade. When you continually try to defend why someone like him or Anvil or Tensai should have been this or that, you just lose more credibility with what you say because you are obviously looking through rose colored glasses. I was a big fan of HBK in the ring, but I will still come out and say he was one of the biggest jerks and babies at the time of his run. I was a Paul London fan, but never once said he should have been this or that. I can't buy an argument when the points being made are out of emotional attachment, rather than realism and facts. If I came out and kept saying Jesus of Los Boricuas or 8-Ball should have been fighting Austin for the belt on PPV, people would say I'm crazy. Bart Gunn was on their level, like it or not. Unfortunately he couldn't break out, whether politically being held back or just lack of charisma or main event level talent. We have to face facts. Austin v. Bart Gunn, even after he won Brawl for All would still be looked at like a joke. Not at all. I'm being realistic here. After KOing his way through the BFA, he got himself over whether you like it or not. He was the only BFA competitor to actually have the crowd behind him during the matches (after he KOd Doc). As Cornette said they had a new star in Bart Gunn but they didn't capitalise on it. Again, I'm not saying Bart was going to be the next Rock. But they should have made some money with him rather than send him home for 6 months. He should have been given the PPV match that hey originally planned for Williams. Austin would have gone over him and then he could have sunk into the mid card. That isn't an "emotional attachment". That's a realistic overview of the route they should have taken to salvage what was a horrible, horrible idea. That is something I agree with you on. They should have given him a chance. But more than likely, he would have become the centerpiece of the Hardcore Division and not a top contender for the WWF title. That is where I disagree. Yes they were cheering him on in the BFA, but after that when he had to go back to normal matches, it probably would have been back to same old, same old rather quickly. Because it was the legit knockouts were what got him over. That's why I said he would have been the centerpiece of the Hardcore division. And there is some "emotional attachment". When any what if question is brought up over greatest moment or what should have been you do turn to your favorites, which is cool and don't get me wrong I see nothing wrong with "emotional attachment", just keep it real. I agreed with you on the Billy Gunn front, but I said there was a certain window where that would have worked, but the rest of time, probably not. So I'm sorry if I'm coming off like I'm attacking you or what you like, not the intent here, I'm just trying to make a point. And thank you for keeping it cool, I enjoy debating this but unfortunately we'll never know what would have been.
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