bootan
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Post by bootan on Aug 20, 2013 23:55:08 GMT -5
Hey guys I need any advice I can get in regards to grading my figures. I have so many questions from grading scales, to packing my figures for a safe journey to AFA. I thought Id open this thread to get any advice from you collectors who have has grading experience. I have mentioned before I am more of a wrestling card collector but I want to try my hand at grading my wrestling figures that have been in storage for god knows how long. A few questions from the top of my head are: 1. Price tags left on the card - How much would that take away from a cards sub grade?? 2. Dents or cracks on the bubble - same question as above on the bubble sub grade?? 3. For LJNS is a score of 80 and above the cut-off score to make it "worth" grading?? Is it 90 for Hasbros?? I have heaps more questions, any advice will be greatly appreciated. I have included a pic of a LJN figure i want to grade. This one has a price tag, and the smallest little crack on the bubble, the card apart from a little dent on the bottom right corner is perfect without any creases. What do you guys think this would grade?? adult photo sharingthanks in advance wrestling figure collectors............
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Post by Ry_D on Aug 21, 2013 17:10:13 GMT -5
I had a Hasbro AFA graded on card, S10 Shawn Michaels Black Trunks. Had a tiny 2mm crack on blister. Resultant blister sub-grade was 60 which brought an otherwise overall 85 grade figure down to 70 (C85 B60 F85). Not sure how they treat LJN's. They may be a little more lenient, but a crack is still a crack. Large or small.
Price stickers? Depends on a few things. Where it is. Is it fully intact. Size. Placement. Peeling. Residue on card ect. I don't think having a sticker strictly brings down the card sub-grade score unless any of what I just mentioned comes into play.
As for score. Really it depends on what you're getting graded. If it's a really rare figure, then it's probably worth grading to preserve it's condition irespective of overall condition (unless it's pretty poor). Obviously the better the grade, the more sought after it would be. For your Jim Neidhart, You could be looking at C80/85 (probably 85), B60/70 F85, overall 70/75 depending on how they perceive the damaged blister. I'm no expert though! Just basing this on my own experience. Everyone has their own opinion. It does look like a very nice example.
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Post by bootan on Aug 24, 2013 5:24:24 GMT -5
Yes i read somewhere that the price tag isn't that much of a problem, though they look at where the price tag is actually stuck. in my case unfortunately it is right on the "S" of superstars. I would've preferred it be up in the corner out of sight.......
did you get your figures graded in the US or UK???
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Post by Ry_D on Aug 24, 2013 8:19:16 GMT -5
I think it's how the sticker affects the overall eye appeal. On the LJN cards, your one for example, I don't think the price sticker sticks out like a sore thumb or anything because much of the upper card space is taken up with text anyway. Whereas with Hasbro's stickers are often found covering part of the wrestler illustration - typically the head. Your sticker's small too, so I wouldn't say it's significant looking at all.
You can get certain stickers off without damaging the card if you are really careful. However certain stickers, because of age, become impossible to remove successfully due to the adhesive 'drying up'. If you come across a sticker of the style on your Jim Neidhart card - on a less expensive card - it may be worth carefully 'working' it to see if it's one that will come off successfully through patience. Potential issues are leftover residue and marking or 'channelling' of the card with your nail or tweezer (or whatever you'd use to remove the sticker).
I graded one Hasbro with a sticker out of curiosity. The card looked a solid 90 score to me, but it graded 85. I'm pretty sure these get scrutinised under a UV lamp, so that perhaps picked up imperfections. Because Jim Neidhart is rare and the card looks excellent, I would grade it regardless of the small blister damage. So what if that brings overall grade down, it'll look great cased because the card is really good. That should also limit future blister yellowing and obviously further damage. That's the way I look at it.
I've had AFA and UKG graded figures. Loose figure wise, UKG cases are a much better fit to the figures than AFA. With almost every loose AFA graded figure I have or have had, the figures rattle inside in the case. The pegs used to hold in place the figures are also prone to breakage. MOC there's not a great deal between AFA and UKG in my experience, so for that reason I am happy to use UKG. They are on my doorstep and I don't need to worry about shipping risk and overall cost.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2013 8:38:59 GMT -5
Will UKG grade figures for us in the U.S.?
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Post by bootan on Aug 24, 2013 19:51:33 GMT -5
Are they 2 seperate companies, are their gradings on the same scale?? is ukg as respected as afa to the collecting public??
so sorry for all the questions, like i say im new to the grading of figures.
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Post by The Madness on Aug 24, 2013 21:36:43 GMT -5
I've considered getting AFA style cases for a couple of my un-circulated 1988 series TMNT figures that came straight out of a fresh case (Casey Jones and Leatherhead, in case you were wondering).
I don't want to send them off and I doubt I'll sell them, but I'd love to have them protected.
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Post by Ry_D on Aug 25, 2013 10:59:44 GMT -5
No the two companies are not connected. AFA is your best bet if you are in the USA. It's the most established grading company. Plus there's always potential import charges and increased postal charges to take into consideration if you sent anything to the UK. I'd say UKG/AFA grading scales are very similar. In my experience UKG blister grading can be a tad more lenient than AFA at times. Card and figure grades pretty spot on. UKG is just more convenient for UK/European collectors. If I was based in the US I would use AFA. You can get slide bottom acrylic cases from AFA and UKG. Similar to the grading cases. They're only £10 (£13 Tag Team) from UKG. Great value. Much better than plastic cases.
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Post by bootan on Aug 26, 2013 2:42:44 GMT -5
thats the thing RY-D im in australia, so bloody everywhere if far away for me. one thing im scared about is my figure getting damaged getting over there. A Neidhart LJN went for $1600+ on ebay just today, so im reaaly scared about sending it away now. also i heard that AFA has a 5 month wait list at the moment, thats crazy.
how do you package your figs for sending, any tips??
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Post by Ry_D on Aug 26, 2013 7:47:45 GMT -5
I get your dilemma. I'm not too sure that UKG have graded a WWF LJN figure before. Going by the weight of these figures and the resultant acrylic case, you could be talking a fair shipping bill + probable customs. I did see's Lee's Anvil. He's getting awesome prices for all his LJN's. He got 3x what I got for my old carded Rick Rude, and over double every other one I had and sold. Not sure if that means much. Might be that he's a well known seller with fair shipping rates and good international exposure. If I were you, I'd probably enquire about getting an acrylic slide bottom case made to measure instead of grading. Or perhaps you could expedite the AFA process by upgrading the grading service? Packaging... Not sure for LJN's other than, wrap, wrap, and more bubble wrap. With my Hasbro's I used bubble bags for each figure and then loads of bubble wrap and made sure nothing in the box I used moved around. If you're sending Jim Neidhart it might be worth double boxing, that way the outer box absorbs most of the shocks whilst in transit.
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Post by bootan on Aug 27, 2013 1:28:39 GMT -5
double boxing thats, a good idea. i found this: www.EBAY LINK NOT ALLOWED/itm/WWF-LJN-Wrestling-Superstars-A-Acrylic-Display-Case-/251049646125?pt=US_Action_Figures&hash=item3a73b9982d im actually thinking of buying this 1st, and then sending it away. its almost the exact case if not the same case that AFA use (except that these cases have a sliding bottom door). ive emailed AFA asking if I send my figure to them in this case will I get it back with my graded figure. Im waiting for a reply. If they do send it back to me, i could use that case over and over getting my figs graded. only thing is thats only good if im sending 1 at a time. i like the case, but its not cheap!!
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Post by Ry_D on Aug 27, 2013 7:56:24 GMT -5
Great case and a great alternative to grading. Would I send a figure from Australia to the US in this case? Probably not. These cases are really heavy so your postal expenditure will go through the roof if you send it in that, and then get it send back to you in addition to your graded figure. AFA will probably want to ship back via Priority or Express with insurance, so cost may have a bearing. They will always return things like that to you anyway (the case you send it in). Just put a cover note in the package if you have any concerns. That's what I'd do.
The case could be a good option to protect the bubble, but you need to consider how tight a fit the slide bottom case will be with the figure. Grading cases are customised to the figure and are vacuum sealed. Slide bottom's are more generic and are designed for re-use, so they may be slightly more spacious for easier access to figure. That's just an educated guess. They may be absolutely fine.
Anyway, I sent in my prized Hasbro for grading without putting it in a case. I simply triple bubble wrapped it, used loads of polystyrene fill and used a slightly larger than usual box.
At the end of the day you should just go with whichever option you think is the most secure option. If you feel you could damage it by under packing, then be cautious.
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Post by ''Adam74'' on Aug 28, 2013 16:35:32 GMT -5
Nice figure, bootan.
I personally have a Neidhart AFA Graded up in the loft. I also have two Bret's that I would love to get graded, but I could not send them off in a million years through fear of them getting damaged. I would be devasted.
3 of my favourite items in my collection.
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Post by bootan on Aug 29, 2013 3:37:09 GMT -5
WOW, what did your Neidhart grade???
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Post by ''Adam74'' on Aug 30, 2013 16:54:08 GMT -5
WOW, what did your Neidhart grade??? Just been in the loft to check. It looks flawless to me. C85 B85 F85 for an Overall 85NM+...... The Bret's aren't perfect like Neidhart, both have a little crack on the bubble in the same place (right hand), and a little crease here or there on the card. Not to bad though. I'd love to get a couple of those cases you posted above for them... I'll search around to see if there's any in the UK.
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