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Post by Prophet of Ash on Aug 25, 2013 14:21:09 GMT -5
the IWC "doesn't make sense" because 10 year olds who have no sense of the business have the exact same voice as someone like Court Bauer on message boards like this. The only double talking comes when you listen to a logical/illogical opinion, then suddenly start listening to something completely different
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Post by Barney Stinson on Aug 25, 2013 16:39:07 GMT -5
It's kind of funny that the HBK/Jericho feud was brought up, because it was basically the same exact situation. Jericho was IC champion feuding with Michaels heading into the Night Of Champions PPV. But Michaels never faced Jericho for the title, they were always non title matches then on the PPV it was HBK who helped an up and comer (at the time at least) like Kofi Kingston win the championship. We could be headed for a similar situation, like Axel has an open challenge at the PPV and Punk costs him the title to say someone like a returning Tyson Kidd (in theory). Meanwhile in the coming weeks Heyman could recruit someone else to face Punk at the PPV.
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Post by jakks1996collector on Aug 25, 2013 17:15:04 GMT -5
CM Punk feuding with Curtis Axel is like Steve Austin feuding with Savio Vega in 1998/1999.
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Post by Arthur Speaks on Aug 25, 2013 19:16:41 GMT -5
It's kind of funny that the HBK/Jericho feud was brought up, because it was basically the same exact situation. Jericho was IC champion feuding with Michaels heading into the Night Of Champions PPV. But Michaels never faced Jericho for the title, they were always non title matches then on the PPV it was HBK who helped an up and comer (at the time at least) like Kofi Kingston win the championship. We could be headed for a similar situation, like Axel has an open challenge at the PPV and Punk costs him the title to say someone like a returning Tyson Kidd (in theory). Meanwhile in the coming weeks Heyman could recruit someone else to face Punk at the PPV. I don't know. They only had one PPV match and it's not like the title needed to be on the line anyway. But I see what you're saying. Punk costing Axel the title can be just as good as winning it. |
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Post by Joe/Smurf on Aug 25, 2013 19:29:02 GMT -5
Sure it does. Punk doesn't give a crap about the IC belt. He wants Heyman's head, that's all. Well, what better way to stick it to Heyman than by taking his client's title? Punk doesn't have to cut a promo about what the Intercontinental Championship means to him. But Axel desperately needs challengers and a feud with Punk can help the title become more credible. That's what I was saying in my earlier post. In 2008, Punk won the World Heavyweight Championship. But instead of becoming the man on RAW, he looked irrelevant next to John Cena and Batista, then was forced to drop the title because the Y2J/HBK feud needed the title more than he did. He didn't give WWE a single reason to keep his reign going. It's a classic case of the championship making the champion look credible, when that should never be the case. Fast-forward five years later, and Punk is making the Intercontinental Championship look credible because of his name value. It's natural evolution in wrestling. If he beats Axel and defends the title more often, then people will take notice because this is the guy that held the WWE Championship for 434 days, the longest reign in the Modern Era. Even though CM Punk the character doesn't care either way about winning the Intercontinental Championship in the grand scheme of things, it's better for the title at this point if someone of his stature holds it. I laid this out before in detail, but the problem is that the IC Title is bascially the Hardcore title at this point. They give it to somebody to say, "here, have a title," but they don't actually do anything with it. For Punk, someone who held the World Title for 434 days who is easily the 2nd or 3rd most popular star on the roster to go after this title that means nothing, he's taking a step back. As far as a feud over the title goes: - Punk losing to Axel will hurt Punk's credibility albeit boosting the title's - Punk beating Axel will kill Axel's credibility while doing little for the belt and - Punk coming ahead in some sort of DQ scenario continues the storyline but does nothing for either superstar or the belt My point is that this feud should just continue to have nothing to do with the belt, and it probably won't. We're more than likely going to see that third option, and the IC title will continue to be irrelevant. |
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Post by RybackV1 on Aug 25, 2013 19:51:32 GMT -5
I'm sure their match at NOC will have some sort of crazy stipulation to it.. the IC title just needs to be defended at the PPV otherwise it wouldn't even be for the belt. I could see a Ladder match, a 3 way including Heyman, something.
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Post by AndyPeck13 on Aug 26, 2013 22:20:35 GMT -5
Punk winning the title will in no way change the way casual not "smart" fans look at him.
Punk winning the title will change the way casual not "smart" fans look at the title.
Not sure how this is so difficult to understand.
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Post by Joe/Smurf on Aug 26, 2013 22:38:06 GMT -5
Hey, so who said they would probably fight without the title on the line?
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Post by J12 on Aug 26, 2013 22:43:21 GMT -5
The mid-card Championships mean absolutely nothing. They're throwaway at this stage of the game, it's an unfortunate reality I've grown to accept.
With that being said, putting the titles on superstars who are logically "above" them won't make them more important, and neither will using them as a prop for a heel. The problem with both the Intercontinental Championship and the U.S. Championship is that there is almost never a story surrounding a match. It's champion vs. number one contender, with no reason other than that simple fact.
The title just gets in the way of Punk and Heyman. There's no reason to involve it. Punk's issue isn't with Axel, Axel is an afterthought. Punk wants Heyman.
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Post by RybackV1 on Aug 26, 2013 22:44:47 GMT -5
Their match tonight sold me on those two having a one on one match at NOC. That'd be a potential show stealer, especially in a ladder match situation. But I can see why Heyman was added. They're trying to finish a story they started which is a good thing.
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Post by Arthur Speaks on Aug 26, 2013 22:50:52 GMT -5
Well, what better way to stick it to Heyman than by taking his client's title? Punk doesn't have to cut a promo about what the Intercontinental Championship means to him. But Axel desperately needs challengers and a feud with Punk can help the title become more credible. That's what I was saying in my earlier post. In 2008, Punk won the World Heavyweight Championship. But instead of becoming the man on RAW, he looked irrelevant next to John Cena and Batista, then was forced to drop the title because the Y2J/HBK feud needed the title more than he did. He didn't give WWE a single reason to keep his reign going. It's a classic case of the championship making the champion look credible, when that should never be the case. Fast-forward five years later, and Punk is making the Intercontinental Championship look credible because of his name value. It's natural evolution in wrestling. If he beats Axel and defends the title more often, then people will take notice because this is the guy that held the WWE Championship for 434 days, the longest reign in the Modern Era. Even though CM Punk the character doesn't care either way about winning the Intercontinental Championship in the grand scheme of things, it's better for the title at this point if someone of his stature holds it. I laid this out before in detail, but the problem is that the IC Title is bascially the Hardcore title at this point. They give it to somebody to say, "here, have a title," but they don't actually do anything with it. For Punk, someone who held the World Title for 434 days who is easily the 2nd or 3rd most popular star on the roster to go after this title that means nothing, he's taking a step back. As far as a feud over the title goes: - Punk losing to Axel will hurt Punk's credibility albeit boosting the title's - Punk beating Axel will kill Axel's credibility while doing little for the belt and - Punk coming ahead in some sort of DQ scenario continues the storyline but does nothing for either superstar or the belt My point is that this feud should just continue to have nothing to do with the belt, and it probably won't. We're more than likely going to see that third option, and the IC title will continue to be irrelevant. I never understand why people think Punk is taking a step back. He held the WWE Championship for 434 days, the longest in the last quarter-century. He main-evented two PPVs against The Rock. He's had three Match Of The Year candidates against John Cena, The Undertaker, and Brock Lesnar. 2013 has been good to him. The Intercontinental Championship means practically nothing to Punk and shouldn't mean anything. But he has to get to Heyman somehow, and Axel just so happens to be the Intercontinental Champion. He has nothing else to do right now. |
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Post by Joe/Smurf on Aug 26, 2013 23:12:17 GMT -5
I laid this out before in detail, but the problem is that the IC Title is bascially the Hardcore title at this point. They give it to somebody to say, "here, have a title," but they don't actually do anything with it. For Punk, someone who held the World Title for 434 days who is easily the 2nd or 3rd most popular star on the roster to go after this title that means nothing, he's taking a step back. As far as a feud over the title goes: - Punk losing to Axel will hurt Punk's credibility albeit boosting the title's - Punk beating Axel will kill Axel's credibility while doing little for the belt and - Punk coming ahead in some sort of DQ scenario continues the storyline but does nothing for either superstar or the belt My point is that this feud should just continue to have nothing to do with the belt, and it probably won't. We're more than likely going to see that third option, and the IC title will continue to be irrelevant. I never understand why people think Punk is taking a step back. He held the WWE Championship for 434 days, the longest in the last quarter-century. He main-evented two PPVs against The Rock. He's had three Match Of The Year candidates against John Cena, The Undertaker, and Brock Lesnar. 2013 has been good to him. The Intercontinental Championship means practically nothing to Punk and shouldn't mean anything. But he has to get to Heyman somehow, and Axel just so happens to be the Intercontinental Champion. He has nothing else to do right now. You're basically agreeing with me but coming to a different conclusion. The IC title doesn't mean anything to Punk, so why bother giving it to him? The feud doesn't need the belt on the line to mean something, so just let Axel hold onto it. |
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Post by Arthur Speaks on Aug 26, 2013 23:59:26 GMT -5
I never understand why people think Punk is taking a step back. He held the WWE Championship for 434 days, the longest in the last quarter-century. He main-evented two PPVs against The Rock. He's had three Match Of The Year candidates against John Cena, The Undertaker, and Brock Lesnar. 2013 has been good to him. The Intercontinental Championship means practically nothing to Punk and shouldn't mean anything. But he has to get to Heyman somehow, and Axel just so happens to be the Intercontinental Champion. He has nothing else to do right now. You're basically agreeing with me but coming to a different conclusion. The IC title doesn't mean anything to Punk, so why bother giving it to him? The feud doesn't need the belt on the line to mean something, so just let Axel hold onto it. What I'm saying is that Punk winning the title will stick it to Heyman. It may not mean much to him, but it furthers his plan to take Heyman down. Besides, Axel brings absolutely nothing to the table as Intercontinental Champion. |
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Post by Booger Red on Aug 27, 2013 1:22:06 GMT -5
You're basically agreeing with me but coming to a different conclusion. The IC title doesn't mean anything to Punk, so why bother giving it to him? The feud doesn't need the belt on the line to mean something, so just let Axel hold onto it. What I'm saying is that Punk winning the title will stick it to Heyman. It may not mean much to him, but it furthers his plan to take Heyman down. Besides, Axel brings absolutely nothing to the table as Intercontinental Champion. The whole point of the storyline in my opinion is that Punk wants his hands on Paul Heyman, however, Curtis Axel(The Intercontinental Champion) is the only guy in his way to getting close to Heyman. I truly believe that the title shouldn't be involved in future matches between Axel and Punk simply because Punk's goal isn't to get the IC Title and stick it to Paul E, his goal is to take out Curtis Axel in order to finally get the opportunity to kick Paul Heyman's ass for turning his back on him. I like the approach for NOC with Punk having to face both Axel and Heyman now that he has a good chance at beating up Heyman. The segment with all three of them was fantastic, very emotional, intense, and care off as very real. Punk/Heyman/Axel along with Bryan/ New Corporation are the only reasons to tune in to Raw every week right now. |
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Post by Richikane on Aug 27, 2013 1:37:17 GMT -5
The IC title is definitely below Punk at this point. I hope Axel retains... Punk is arguably the most popular babyface in the company right now, right up there with Daniel Bryan.I would have to say that right now, Daniel Bryan is more popular than CM Punk is. Punk isn't getting anywhere near the cheers that Daniel Bryan gets. Not saying Punk isn't up there though, but Bryan is definitely the most popular wrestler right now, followed by Punk, RVD, and Ziggler. I would say Bryan is more popular, but CM Punk isn't as one dimensional. Its easy for everyone to be behind Bryan. Hes an underdog facing massive odds. He is a wrestler in an entertainment company. Those are easy to grasp for even the most casual fan, kids, and the IWC. Punk is more complex I think, so while he is wildly popular, his fanbase is smaller. |
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Post by @.@ Hempsterdance @.@ on Aug 27, 2013 12:27:04 GMT -5
Im all for punk baing ic champ. It will bring some great competition to the IC title scene
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Post by ahunter8056 on Aug 27, 2013 17:21:36 GMT -5
90% of the IWC can't type correctly, have moronic ideas, and are never happy with what they get. So yes, the IWC doesn't make sense.
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