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Post by MichaelTheMartian on Aug 25, 2013 9:17:29 GMT -5
Claim the IC has no prestige these days, given to "nobodies" and is a filler title. CM Punk gets put in a feud with Axel and eventually will fight for the title (Probably at NOC)now everyone is saying it's a huge step down for Punk, he is too good for the title. I see no problem in it, him winning can elevate the title, Axel winning can elevate him and the title.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2013 9:29:20 GMT -5
If Jericho can be the first Undisputed WWE World Champion and go on to win 5 more IC Titles, then no, it's definitely not a step down for Punk to do the same.
I think people should be more upset about Dolph Ziggler getting the US Title shot with Ambrose. If anything, RVD should be getting that, and Ziggler another World Title match at the ppv.
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Post by johnnyb on Aug 25, 2013 10:02:50 GMT -5
The IC title is definitely below Punk at this point. I hope Axel retains... Punk is arguably the most popular babyface in the company right now, right up there with Daniel Bryan.
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Post by punksnotdead on Aug 25, 2013 10:19:54 GMT -5
If Jericho can be the first Undisputed WWE World Champion and go on to win 5 more IC Titles, then no, it's definitely not a step down for Punk to do the same. I think people should be more upset about Dolph Ziggler getting the US Title shot with Ambrose. If anything, RVD should be getting that, and Ziggler another World Title match at the ppv. I agree. Punk had to face Axel, as it was his only place to go since Brock isn't full-time. Also, historically at least, the IC Title has been the more important title, even though it's been on the same level or even below the US Title in recent years imo. Punk and Ziggler are helping both guys they are facing though imo, no matter what the outcome. I don't really expect Ziggler or Punk to walk out as champion. It's not so much that it's a step back, as it's just not necessary for either guy to have those lower titles. Axel and Ambrose need those belts to make people care about them, people care about Ziggler and Punk regardless. I'm interested in the match-ups though. They should both be good matches imo. But it's fair to say the IWC doesn't make sense though haha. Given that we are thousands of voices, and every one of us with a different idea as to what WWE should do. We're also fickle and that's a reflection of the ADHD society we live in today.
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Post by Mr. Show on Aug 25, 2013 10:20:05 GMT -5
It makes sense for him to feud with Axel. The title is more of an afterthought.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2013 10:37:53 GMT -5
The IC title is definitely below Punk at this point. I hope Axel retains... Punk is arguably the most popular babyface in the company right now, right up there with Daniel Bryan.I would have to say that right now, Daniel Bryan is more popular than CM Punk is. Punk isn't getting anywhere near the cheers that Daniel Bryan gets. Not saying Punk isn't up there though, but Bryan is definitely the most popular wrestler right now, followed by Punk, RVD, and Ziggler.
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Post by Joe/Smurf on Aug 25, 2013 10:41:03 GMT -5
For one, they're fighting for the belt on Raw...
For two, you're putting the wagon in front of the horse. The IC Title has undoubtedly had its prestige lowered; when Barrett was champion and won like 2 matches in 6 months, got instance. At this point, Punk is above it. The belt needs to be built back up again before it makes sense for CM Punk (as a character) to want it. How does it get built back up? By the champion actually winning matches cleanly. Him fighting Punk isn't going to do anything because it will most likely end in a DQ in some way shape or form.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2013 11:36:53 GMT -5
Just so you know, you are part of the IWC. So apperently you make no sense either.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2013 11:40:40 GMT -5
Just so you know, you are part of the IWC. So apperently you make no sense either. Technically everyone is part of the IWC. Internet Wrestling Community, with Twitter, Tout and Facebook, WWE encourages people to talk about WWE over the web, thus creating more people that are part of the IWC.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2013 11:47:53 GMT -5
Of course it's a step down. Punk just held the most important belt the company has to offer for over a year, to go down and compete for what has always been a midcard title (and now means even less as the WHC has filled the void of the old IC title) is a huge step back for him, considering how around 7 months ago he was facing the most recognizable active wrestling star in the world with the title on the line.
The IC title was always the title that up-and-comers held. In 1997 HHH attempted to book Bret Hart to defeat Rocky Maivia for the IC championship in an attempt to sabotage both Bret and The Rock. Bret refused to do so.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2013 11:52:39 GMT -5
I don't understand how it is a huge step down for him. If anything, he can repair and bring up the prestiege that it once had.
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Post by Poochie on Aug 25, 2013 12:14:32 GMT -5
If Jericho can be the first Undisputed WWE World Champion and go on to win 5 more IC Titles, then no, it's definitely not a step down for Punk to do the same. I think people should be more upset about Dolph Ziggler getting the US Title shot with Ambrose. If anything, RVD should be getting that, and Ziggler another World Title match at the ppv. Like Punk once said to Jericho "You were never the man like I'm the man." Jericho was and is an upper-midcarder that can be thrown into basically any championship picture. Punk is not on that level anymore. He needs to be feuding with the best, in this case Paul Heyman. He wouldn't be able to do that with the IC belt because they aren't letting any main eventers get near it. Hell it wasn't even defended at Summerslam! That's how little the WWE believes in it.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Aug 25, 2013 12:16:16 GMT -5
How does it get built back up? By the champion actually winning matches cleanly. If the champion's a babyface, yes. If the champion's a heel, no.
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Post by Joe/Smurf on Aug 25, 2013 12:22:08 GMT -5
How does it get built back up? By the champion actually winning matches cleanly. If the champion's a babyface, yes. If the champion's a heel, no. Well, Barrett didn't win matches AT ALL as champion, so that didn't help.
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Post by Arthur Speaks on Aug 25, 2013 12:45:01 GMT -5
Well, what else do you expect Punk to do at this point? It wouldn't make any sense to feud with Axel with the title not on the line. Punk making the Intercontinental Championship more prestigious will reinforce the notion that wrestlers are supposed to make titles, not the other way around.
Besides, it will be a testament as to how far Punk has come since being treated like an afterthought as World Heavyweight Champion in 2008.
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Post by Yeezy's Mullet: Team X Blades on Aug 25, 2013 12:59:30 GMT -5
The belt being a step down isn't really the point, imo. It's what makes sense. If a main eventer gets involved in a feud with the IC or US champ and ends up competing for that belt, there's nothing wrong with it as long as it makes sense in terms of story and character progression.
For example, when Hardy got popped again and Jericho was appointed to take the IC belt off of him. That didn't make sense and was out of no where, but had to be done. Fast forward to now where Punk's in a similar position, only he's actually IN a feud with the guy he's facing for the title. Now why was one okay and the other not?
What people need to realize is that CM Punk's current feud with Heyman and his 'Guys' is extremely personal to where Punk isn't really focused on any title of any sort.
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Post by BCizzle on Aug 25, 2013 13:09:24 GMT -5
There is no group think IWC that exists. People come to the internet to complain about anything and everything - that doesn't mean everybody else using the internet agrees with them.
I'm more upset about Daniel Bryan looking strong and then getting punked like a bitch by Randy Orton. It's happened twice in a week.
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Post by Poochie on Aug 25, 2013 13:11:31 GMT -5
Well, what else do you expect Punk to do at this point? It wouldn't make any sense to feud with Axel with the title not on the line. Sure it does. Punk doesn't give a crap about the IC belt. He wants Heyman's head, that's all.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2013 13:14:37 GMT -5
The IC title is pretty irrelevant in this feud. Punk wants to fight Axel, who happens to be the IC champion, to get to Heyman. The title is an afterthought.
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Post by Arthur Speaks on Aug 25, 2013 14:14:00 GMT -5
Well, what else do you expect Punk to do at this point? It wouldn't make any sense to feud with Axel with the title not on the line. Sure it does. Punk doesn't give a crap about the IC belt. He wants Heyman's head, that's all. Well, what better way to stick it to Heyman than by taking his client's title? Punk doesn't have to cut a promo about what the Intercontinental Championship means to him. But Axel desperately needs challengers and a feud with Punk can help the title become more credible. That's what I was saying in my earlier post. In 2008, Punk won the World Heavyweight Championship. But instead of becoming the man on RAW, he looked irrelevant next to John Cena and Batista, then was forced to drop the title because the Y2J/HBK feud needed the title more than he did. He didn't give WWE a single reason to keep his reign going. It's a classic case of the championship making the champion look credible, when that should never be the case. Fast-forward five years later, and Punk is making the Intercontinental Championship look credible because of his name value. It's natural evolution in wrestling. If he beats Axel and defends the title more often, then people will take notice because this is the guy that held the WWE Championship for 434 days, the longest reign in the Modern Era. Even though CM Punk the character doesn't care either way about winning the Intercontinental Championship in the grand scheme of things, it's better for the title at this point if someone of his stature holds it.
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