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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Aug 26, 2013 18:39:57 GMT -5
You're seriously making my head hurt. Vegetarianism is not a Nazi ideal, vegetarianism was around long before Hitler and his Nazi regime. Yes, Hitler was a vegetarian, but he wasn't the one that came up with the concept nor did he force everyone else to be a vegetarian. Vegetarianism IS NOT a Nazi ideal. Detaining the homeless was a concept conceived by Hitler which he did in fact implement into his Nazi regime. Detaining the homeless IS an Nazi ideal. Do you see the difference? Probably not because you are one of the worst cases of a person to exhibit Cognitive Dissonance I've ever had the displeasure of communicating with. To support the detainment of the homeless does not make you a Nazi, it just means you support Nazi ideals. I am Pro-Choice. Being Pro-Choice is generally associated with Liberal and Democratic ideals, yet I do not consider myself a Democrat. Just because I support a Democratic ideal does not make me a Democrat. I don't know how much more clearer I can make myself. I don't know what the hell is going through you're head right now, but to continue claiming that I'm calling people Nazis when I'm clearly not is just showing how incredibly ignorant you can be. Please, do us all a favor and take your meds and go to bed. HAHAHAHAHAHA There's a block feature, you can use it. That's your response? Really? WOW... Anyway, if I went to the trouble of blocking every member that I disagreed with I'd end up with only a handful of people to converse with. If I couldn't handle a nameless, faceless person's comments, then I probably shouldn't be going online in the first place.
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Post by slappy on Aug 26, 2013 18:41:55 GMT -5
HAHAHAHAHAHA There's a block feature, you can use it. That's your response? Really? WOW... Anyway, if I went to the trouble of blocking every member that I disagreed with I'd end up with only a handful of people to converse with. If I couldn't handle a nameless, faceless person's comments, then I probably shouldn't be going online in the first place. How do you want me to respond? The back and forth is getting nowhere. You defending your calling people Nazis and me saying it's bad to call people Nazis. It's just going to get the thread locked.
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Aug 26, 2013 18:51:01 GMT -5
That's your response? Really? WOW... Anyway, if I went to the trouble of blocking every member that I disagreed with I'd end up with only a handful of people to converse with. If I couldn't handle a nameless, faceless person's comments, then I probably shouldn't be going online in the first place. How do you want me to respond? The back and forth is getting nowhere. You defending your calling people Nazis and me saying it's bad to call people Nazis. It's just going to get the thread locked. That's usually your shtick, isn't it. You go back and forth with everyone because you always have to get the last word in because you think you're always right. And you seriously need to get over the fact that I'm calling people Nazis. Like I said in the post you pretty much ignored (which is a first), I believe in Pro-Choice. Being Pro-Choice is a Democratic and Liberal ideal. I don't consider myself a Democrat, yet I support a Democrat ideal. You support gun ownership, so I guess that makes you a Republican? But you are also against the death penalty, so I guess you're a Democrat?
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Post by Halloween King on Aug 26, 2013 20:14:35 GMT -5
I wonder now then will the state help the homeless? Also..... If im living on the street and get arrested for being homeless, wont I be put in jail? And if im in jail wont that mean im no longer living on the street but rather in a jail cell? So wouldnt that mean im not homeless anymore? Wouldnt they have to release me for no longer being homeless? It's just so silly. If you consider a jail cell a "home" then I suppose you're right. What makes a home? What makes you be homeless? Is it just a roof over your head? The law does not care about where your family lives, the law only looks for a roof over your head. So by def of the law a jail cell is a roof over your head, so per the law you have a home and are in compliance.
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Post by Tim of thee on Aug 26, 2013 20:30:47 GMT -5
The nazi argument is bad form
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Post by Ace Bennett on Aug 26, 2013 21:03:55 GMT -5
While I do think this whole Nazi argument is dumb and everything, Nazi's weren't the first people to make laws discriminating against homeless people. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vagrancy_Act_1824www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/Geo4/5/83/contentsI realize it's a Wikipedia article and everything, but I also provided a .gov.uk page that states the law is real also. It makes sleeping on the street and begging illegal. If one is homeless, they are probably sleeping on the street, therefore making it illegal to be homeless. So yeah, the idea of punishing homeless people for being homeless is not of Nazi origin. Someone correct me if I'm wrong of course but yeah..
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Aug 26, 2013 21:16:18 GMT -5
If you consider a jail cell a "home" then I suppose you're right. What makes a home? What makes you be homeless? Is it just a roof over your head? The law does not care about where your family lives, the law only looks for a roof over your head. So by def of the law a jail cell is a roof over your head, so per the law you have a home and are in compliance. Well I suppose. But once you're released you're once again homeless. The solution: If you want homeless people off the streets, build more homeless shelters and fix up abandoned houses. It's that simple. All the money that goes into these useless wars is more than enough to make this happen. There's no excuse.
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Post by saintpatrick33 on Aug 27, 2013 5:30:17 GMT -5
Pretty sad in this day and age and things are gonna get worse all over ! Rich and Poor have and havenots .
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Post by saintpatrick33 on Aug 27, 2013 5:33:58 GMT -5
Hitler was a vegetarian so all vegetarians are Nazis. Extremely stupid logic. and Das Fuhrer also had bad really bad flatulence from all those veggies and speed he took and you never wanted to get caught with him in a small room in das Bunker , true story .
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Post by T R W on Aug 27, 2013 7:33:59 GMT -5
What makes a home? What makes you be homeless? Is it just a roof over your head? The law does not care about where your family lives, the law only looks for a roof over your head. So by def of the law a jail cell is a roof over your head, so per the law you have a home and are in compliance. Well I suppose. But once you're released you're once again homeless. The solution: If you want homeless people off the streets, build more homeless shelters and fix up abandoned houses. It's that simple. All the money that goes into these useless wars is more than enough to make this happen. There's no excuse. It's not quite that simple. Many people are homeless because they can not or will not fit into our societies norms. Many are mentally ill and can not or will not work. Many are severe drug addicts who only live for their next high and don't care where they sleep. Just giving someone a place to live doesn't solve the problem. The real question is what do you do with people who refuse to be part of our societal norms? A mentally ill crack addict is given a fixed up abandoned home next to you. But he can not or won't work to even pay the utilities or maintain the house. You give him a government funded job but they refuse to go or get fired. They never cut the grass they bring all their drug addicted friends to stay with them all hours of the night. What do you do? How do you make this person fit in? Give them more money? Another house? Sure some people are homeless because of bad luck. But that is a small percentage. I don't have the answers at all. But I think the real question to be answered is us there a way to make these people become productive members of society and if not what do we do with them?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2013 9:08:15 GMT -5
This is why we need a Thunder Done.....
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Aug 27, 2013 9:27:44 GMT -5
Anyone else read this and get reminded of the DS9 episode about the Bell Riots? People had the brilliant idea of taking several city blocks of already abandoned buildings and walling them off and letting all the homeless stay in those blocks. They had a center that brought in food, water, medical help, job help, etc.... Aside from that, everyone was happy because the homeless were all in one particular area of town that was easily avoided.
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Post by Kliquid on Aug 27, 2013 10:46:27 GMT -5
What makes a home? What makes you be homeless? Is it just a roof over your head? The law does not care about where your family lives, the law only looks for a roof over your head. So by def of the law a jail cell is a roof over your head, so per the law you have a home and are in compliance. Well I suppose. But once you're released you're once again homeless. The solution: If you want homeless people off the streets, build more homeless shelters and fix up abandoned houses. It's that simple. All the money that goes into these useless wars is more than enough to make this happen. There's no excuse. C'mon man. Just simply "building more homeless shelters" is not a good option. These people need jobs. That's what needs to happen. If they are unable to work for some reason, then it is not automatically everyone else's obligation to give them things. Sure, we SHOULD, but requiring it (by forcing people to pay more taxes) is not a logical solution.
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Aug 27, 2013 11:23:32 GMT -5
Well I suppose. But once you're released you're once again homeless. The solution: If you want homeless people off the streets, build more homeless shelters and fix up abandoned houses. It's that simple. All the money that goes into these useless wars is more than enough to make this happen. There's no excuse. C'mon man. Just simply "building more homeless shelters" is not a good option. These people need jobs. That's what needs to happen. If they are unable to work for some reason, then it is not automatically everyone else's obligation to give them things. Sure, we SHOULD, but requiring it (by forcing people to pay more taxes) is not a logical solution. So what would you suggest be done with them.
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Aug 27, 2013 11:24:26 GMT -5
Well I suppose. But once you're released you're once again homeless. The solution: If you want homeless people off the streets, build more homeless shelters and fix up abandoned houses. It's that simple. All the money that goes into these useless wars is more than enough to make this happen. There's no excuse. It's not quite that simple. Many people are homeless because they can not or will not fit into our societies norms. Many are mentally ill and can not or will not work. Many are severe drug addicts who only live for their next high and don't care where they sleep. Just giving someone a place to live doesn't solve the problem. The real question is what do you do with people who refuse to be part of our societal norms? A mentally ill crack addict is given a fixed up abandoned home next to you. But he can not or won't work to even pay the utilities or maintain the house. You give him a government funded job but they refuse to go or get fired. They never cut the grass they bring all their drug addicted friends to stay with them all hours of the night. What do you do? How do you make this person fit in? Give them more money? Another house? Sure some people are homeless because of bad luck. But that is a small percentage. I don't have the answers at all. But I think the real question to be answered is us there a way to make these people become productive members of society and if not what do we do with them? I don't know, this is a very complicated situation. Well I suppose. But once you're released you're once again homeless. The solution: If you want homeless people off the streets, build more homeless shelters and fix up abandoned houses. It's that simple. All the money that goes into these useless wars is more than enough to make this happen. There's no excuse. C'mon man. Just simply "building more homeless shelters" is not a good option. These people need jobs. That's what needs to happen. If they are unable to work for some reason, then it is not automatically everyone else's obligation to give them things. Sure, we SHOULD, but requiring it (by forcing people to pay more taxes) is not a logical solution. So what would you suggest be done with them?
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Post by Kliquid on Aug 27, 2013 11:30:43 GMT -5
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Aug 27, 2013 12:01:06 GMT -5
The idea that you fix homelessness by just giving people a place to live is as laughable as the idea that you fix poverty by just giving poor people money.
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Post by Halloween King on Aug 27, 2013 12:32:49 GMT -5
What makes a home? What makes you be homeless? Is it just a roof over your head? The law does not care about where your family lives, the law only looks for a roof over your head. So by def of the law a jail cell is a roof over your head, so per the law you have a home and are in compliance. Well I suppose. But once you're released you're once again homeless. The solution: If you want homeless people off the streets, build more homeless shelters and fix up abandoned houses. It's that simple. All the money that goes into these useless wars is more than enough to make this happen. There's no excuse. See but there we go all over again. If it's a crime to be homeless, how is it different to throw a person into a jail, or throw a person into a home? In both cases you're forcing someone to be in a place they did not think to go in the first place. In both cases you're taking someone who "lives on the street" and you're forcing them to live indoors somewhere. I just think the law would need to be very specific as to who you classify as homeless before you start throwing people in jail or shelters. I think that the state should start a program where they try to help the less fortunante instead of persecuting them. I imagine that being homeless will either get you fines or jail time. In either case you're sticking it to the people who need help the most. You think a homeless person has money to spend on fines? Or do you think a homeless person will find work easier if they have a criminal record? Imagine that for a second, you go fill out an aplication....... eventually the question will come up, have you been convicted of a misdemeanor? All those "homeless" will have to answer yes, and what was their crime? Being poor? Being poor will possibly prevent you from getting employed now? It's absurd. And all the while all of this will become even MORE of a burden on those of us who pay taxes. Now police will have EVEN more to do, more paperwork, less space in over crowded jails, more costs to maintain said jails/shelters and god know what other costs. It would be a lot cheaper to just see that homeless person on the street and give them a dollar or two. Some of the laws I hear get passed just really make me sick to my stomach. We're slowly turning everything into something from a science fiction movie. Think of Elysum, where the poor live on earth and the rich on a space station, where the poor are sick and dying and the rich do not need to worry over health. Or Logan's run where they kill people off at a certain age. It all seems so far fetched and silly in movies, but them some nut job politician gets a law like this passed.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Aug 28, 2013 7:19:19 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but the idea that government regulation is the only thing that stands in the way of fixing homelessness is utterly ridiculous to the point of being laughable. The problem of homelessness is far more deeply rooted than that. How do you "fix" someone who has no interest in working? You can provide all the job training in the world, but they're not interested in taking any of it. You can give them a job that fits their skills. They're not interested in showing up. You can give them a place to live, but they're not interested in maintaining it. As TRW pointed out there is a certain segment of the population who is simply not interested in conforming to social norms. Less government regulation isn't going to fix that.
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Post by Tye Hyll on Aug 28, 2013 10:54:16 GMT -5
Most homeless people are out there for a reason. There is the select few that just had the worst luck in the world. But honestly, how do you screw your life up so bad unless its drugs or something else ridiculous? Seen too many booze drinking, meth smoking homeless people for me to care anymore.
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