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Post by Mike Giggs' Munchies on Aug 29, 2013 18:12:00 GMT -5
All because Obama had to open his big mouth about gas use. Even though I bet he'd find a way to enter this regardless. Wait, since when did Obama cause the Syrian Civil War?
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Post by slappy on Aug 29, 2013 18:16:52 GMT -5
I have no idea who the experts are. Do you really think that the Republicans won't oppose Obama because they wouldn't oppose a Republican doing the same? They seem hypocritical enough for that; I always figured their first priority was stopping Obama and their second was getting stuff they want through Congress, even if Obama is pushing stuff they like. I agree that the WPR is useless in practice. Football fans are highly tribal but racism is a rarity nowadays in Western European football games (except maybe Italy). Fans constantly insult each other and opposing players, but racism is generally off limits. What will you name your island? The Republicans are war hawks for the most part. They may publicly say it's a bad idea but privately they'll support it and do absolutely nothing to stop it despite their public "outrage." Pretty much everything is useless in practice when it comes to the government. Even things that are supposed to stop them from doing things doesn't stop them. Ah ok. Thank you for letting me know. Cantwealljustgetalongstan
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2013 18:21:34 GMT -5
Glenn Beck has started saying this will be WWIII also if we attack Syria. Glenn Beck is a ing moron. Your argument has no credibility.
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Post by Mike Giggs' Munchies on Aug 29, 2013 18:24:26 GMT -5
I have no idea who the experts are. Do you really think that the Republicans won't oppose Obama because they wouldn't oppose a Republican doing the same? They seem hypocritical enough for that; I always figured their first priority was stopping Obama and their second was getting stuff they want through Congress, even if Obama is pushing stuff they like. I agree that the WPR is useless in practice. Football fans are highly tribal but racism is a rarity nowadays in Western European football games (except maybe Italy). Fans constantly insult each other and opposing players, but racism is generally off limits. What will you name your island? The Republicans are war hawks for the most part. They may publicly say it's a bad idea but privately they'll support it and do absolutely nothing to stop it despite their public "outrage." Pretty much everything is useless in practice when it comes to the government. Even things that are supposed to stop them from doing things doesn't stop them. Ah ok. Thank you for letting me know. Cantwealljustgetalongstan Ah that makes sense. If both parties support intervention then Obama can definitely use that to his advantage. No worries, football is my expertise haha. What about thisfightingisveryfinanciallyiressponsibleandidonotintenttoparticipateland
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Aug 29, 2013 18:41:46 GMT -5
Oh absolutely; we're far from isolationist, but we seem to be staying out of this one. In practice Obama can likely ignore Congress on this (although it won't be easy), but Cameron could never do that with Parliament. If you want isolationist but still Western world then France is a decent bet, if you can deal with the fact the people are terrible. I've come to realize, why does Congressional approval make war ok? They are a group of people who won't have to fight it and get money from the businesses that will prosper due to the war. France ed up Libya so they aren't perfect in that regard either. I've heard the people there are incredibly racist. Morally ok or legally ok? The constitution says it's legally ok. Sadly, I find myself tending to agree with you. I am sick and tired of us bombing the bejeesus out of people and seeing our soldiers die because of it. Let's be honest here, 9/11 probably wouldn't have happened if we didn't feel the need to intervene everywhere. On the other hand, I can see the argument too that there's a moral obligation to intervene and when a country is doing crap like this. Let's be honest, if you were 6'8 and 280 and ripped from head to toe and you see 2-3 14 yr old punks beating the snot out of an old man do you not have a moral obligation to intervene?
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Post by slappy on Aug 29, 2013 18:45:57 GMT -5
I've come to realize, why does Congressional approval make war ok? They are a group of people who won't have to fight it and get money from the businesses that will prosper due to the war. France ed up Libya so they aren't perfect in that regard either. I've heard the people there are incredibly racist. Morally ok or legally ok? The constitution says it's legally ok. Sadly, I find myself tending to agree with you. I am sick and tired of us bombing the bejeesus out of people and seeing our soldiers die because of it. Let's be honest here, 9/11 probably wouldn't have happened if we didn't feel the need to intervene everywhere. On the other hand, I can see the argument too that there's a moral obligation to intervene and when a country is doing crap like this. Let's be honest, if you were 6'8 and 280 and ripped from head to toe and you see 2-3 14 yr old punks beating the snot out of an old man do you not have a moral obligation to intervene? The Constitution isn't a perfect document. There are things in it I disagree with. But yeah, a bunch of war mongers voting to approve war may make it legal but it doesn't make it right. Maybe someone feels they do have the moral obligation to intervene in that situation but the consequences for involving yourself in that is vastly different than invading a country. If we feel the moral obligation to help those who are attacked by their own government then we have many more places we have to go and fight including ourselves.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Aug 29, 2013 18:52:13 GMT -5
Morally ok or legally ok? The constitution says it's legally ok. Sadly, I find myself tending to agree with you. I am sick and tired of us bombing the bejeesus out of people and seeing our soldiers die because of it. Let's be honest here, 9/11 probably wouldn't have happened if we didn't feel the need to intervene everywhere. On the other hand, I can see the argument too that there's a moral obligation to intervene and when a country is doing crap like this. Let's be honest, if you were 6'8 and 280 and ripped from head to toe and you see 2-3 14 yr old punks beating the snot out of an old man do you not have a moral obligation to intervene? The Constitution isn't a perfect document. There are things in it I disagree with. But yeah, a bunch of war mongers voting to approve war may make it legal but it doesn't make it right. Maybe someone feels they do have the moral obligation to intervene in that situation but the consequences for involving yourself in that is vastly different than invading a country. If we feel the moral obligation to help those who are attacked by their own government then we have many more places we have to go and fight including ourselves. **sigh** The older I get the more I find myself agreeing with you. Scares me just a little bit. Remember the good old days when we bickered about every political issue? Why can't we go back there? You're correct that legal doesn't always mean right. I wish that wasn't the case, but it is. You're exactly right that the consequences of Big Show fighting off a couple of punk teens is a lot different from us bombing the snot out of some country. The principle is the same. I'm not saying I agree with it, but I can certainly see the argument.
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Post by slappy on Aug 29, 2013 18:58:04 GMT -5
The Constitution isn't a perfect document. There are things in it I disagree with. But yeah, a bunch of war mongers voting to approve war may make it legal but it doesn't make it right. Maybe someone feels they do have the moral obligation to intervene in that situation but the consequences for involving yourself in that is vastly different than invading a country. If we feel the moral obligation to help those who are attacked by their own government then we have many more places we have to go and fight including ourselves. **sigh** The older I get the more I find myself agreeing with you. Scares me just a little bit. Remember the good old days when we bickered about every political issue? Why can't we go back there? You're correct that legal doesn't always mean right. I wish that wasn't the case, but it is. You're exactly right that the consequences of Big Show fighting off a couple of punk teens is a lot different from us bombing the snot out of some country. The principle is the same. I'm not saying I agree with it, but I can certainly see the argument. Are you starting to agree with me or have I changed and am agreeing with you? I see the argument too but we cannot go around and help everyone who needs it but only in countries we don't like. If you need help in an ally's country then you don't really need our help.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Aug 29, 2013 20:04:32 GMT -5
Either way I find us agreeing to be quite terrifying.
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Post by AliciaFox#1fan4life on Aug 29, 2013 22:58:00 GMT -5
Because Obama is anti-American, we will go into WWIII and the holocaust that happened in Germany will happen here too. While we're fighting overseas, all chaos breaks loose here at home and everyone is sent to die at the concentration camps they have built all around the country.
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Post by Midnight-Metal-Master on Aug 29, 2013 23:21:57 GMT -5
....Moving to Canada Of course it Will be WW3, whats really bad is the chemical weapons and nuclear bombs. Now a Country can be destroyed in a matter of minutes! With China and Russia both...US doesn't stand a ING chance! For every 1 U.S troop there's 3 Chinese! Not to mention their technology and warfare intelligence. This is exactly how the government wants it! Hell they're safe, WE'RE NOT! Prepare for higher gas prices and food along with EVERYTHING eles, then in the coming years there WILL be a shortage in food,water,gas and everyday commodities. PREPARE TO LEAVE YOUR PAST LIFE'S BEHIND...PREPARE TO DIE!!!
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Post by Ace Bennett on Aug 29, 2013 23:32:03 GMT -5
Because Obama is anti-American, we will go into WWIII and the holocaust that happened in Germany will happen here too. While we're fighting overseas, all chaos breaks loose here at home and everyone is sent to die at the concentration camps they have built all around the country. Well, that escalated quickly.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2013 23:40:33 GMT -5
i'm more worried about russia. but, as usual.. we in canada will just keep the peace Hopefully we aren't America's bitch and learn how to say " off Obama".
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Post by Rule 30 on Aug 29, 2013 23:41:59 GMT -5
Aren't we the country with lasers tho?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2013 0:39:50 GMT -5
I really hope nothing serious happens ....Moving to Canada Of course it Will be WW3, whats really bad is the chemical weapons and nuclear bombs. Now a Country can be destroyed in a matter of minutes! With China and Russia both...US doesn't stand a ING chance! For every 1 U.S troop there's 3 Chinese! Not to mention their technology and warfare intelligence. This is exactly how the government wants it! Hell they're safe, WE'RE NOT! Prepare for higher gas prices and food along with EVERYTHING eles, then in the coming years there WILL be a shortage in food,water,gas and everyday commodities. PREPARE TO LEAVE YOUR PAST LIFE'S BEHIND...PREPARE TO DIE!!!And thanks for making more scared then I already was
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Post by xtremer18 on Aug 30, 2013 1:05:20 GMT -5
After the Zimmerman fiasco I stopped watching News and bought tons more old WWF dvds LOL this made me
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Post by slappy on Aug 30, 2013 1:58:39 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2013 2:05:13 GMT -5
Because Obama is anti-American, we will go into WWIII and the holocaust that happened in Germany will happen here too. While we're fighting overseas, all chaos breaks loose here at home and everyone is sent to die at the concentration camps they have built all around the country. I honestly hope you're just trolling and don't believe that.
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Post by slappy on Aug 30, 2013 5:54:40 GMT -5
People are being conned again. Support for the war has gone from 9% to 42%. Granted they were two different polling organizations but the 42% number is brand new.
Haven't they learned from the last two wars we were in (and actually are still in one of those)? Apparently not.
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Post by Jacob on Aug 30, 2013 6:27:57 GMT -5
It won't be WW3. As things stand, the US and the UK are going in to Syria to lend a hand. This will probably bring some retaliation from Assad and his regime, but for all their threats, I doubt very much that Russia will get involved. They currently have a couple of war ships floating in water infested by the British and the Americans. As powerful a nation as they are - or - claim to be, they won't take the risk against two of the Western world's biggest superpowers. So we should be allowed to bully other countries because we are strong? That doesn't make us good guys. That's not what I said/meant.
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