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Post by Ultimate Figure Collector on Aug 16, 2007 17:42:34 GMT -5
So, the other day I was just thinking how many home grown champions has TNA actually had and I've come up with this. This is a list of the champions TNA has had since they went on national TV. Wait until you TNA fans see how many stars TNA has actually created! The list went like this.
- Kurt Angle(current champion)
- Christian Cage
- Abyss(who won the title by DQ and played second fiddle to Sting)
- Sting
- Jeff Jarrett
- Christian Cage
- Jeff Jarrett
- Rhino
- Jeff Jarrett
- Raven
- AJ Styles
- Jeff Jarrett
So since TNA went on national TV they have had a total of two home grown champions. Abyss, who won the title by DQ, played second fiddle to Sting & dropped the title two months later to Christian. The other was AJ Styles who beat Jarrett only to lose it a month later to Raven.
TNA! TNA! TNA!
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Post by CBT on Aug 16, 2007 17:51:17 GMT -5
Uh, dude... no offense... but I could dig up a post of mine that pretty much tells me what you just said, only a few hours prior to you saying it.
Don't get me wrong, I whole heartedly agree with you.
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Post by Matt on Aug 16, 2007 17:53:59 GMT -5
I'm going to take that list and put it in a different point of view.
First, I don't understand why everyone says home grown talent this and home grown talent that. TNA is going to want a person to carry the compnay and hold the belt that is over and can make money. Not to many home grown talents can do that.
- Kurt Angle - He deserves what he got. Well maybe not all the titles, but deff. the world. Sure, Joe could have the title but why would you give your title to a susperstar that might not even be around in a little while. It was a safe and smart move for TNA to give Angle their belt. 1.) He is a talented susperstar and 2.) he is very over and well known.
- Christian Cage - Christian was made in WWE, but he didn't get his break until TNA. Sure, he was an established star but was misused until he came to TNA. He is the star he should be now and deserves the belt. TNA made Christian Cage the champion, not Christian the midcard wrestler who was second rate to Edge for years. Christian is talented and over and deserved the belt.
- Abyss - I will say, TNA dropped the ball with Abyss once they started doing the Sting/Abyss storyline. However, I am intersted in seeing where they are going with him now. Abyss will be a champion again one day. But when you think about it, not to many monsters in wrestling had long title runs. Think about when Kane first one the title.
- Sting - Didn't hold the title for long. It was smart putting the title on Sting, he is one of the most famous wrestlers ever. It isn't like he stunk up the joint when he was champion. Sure, he isn't at his best and took th title from other talents, but from a bussiness point of view it was smart.
- Jeff Jarrett - His company, his belt. Jeff is a good wrestler, I don't understand why everyone is so hard on them.
- Rhino - Like he even had a run with the belt. He held it for about two weeks. He was a trasitional champion and it was fun with him being champion. Honestly, he could have been a good champion. WWE ruined Rhyno and TNA was saving him but they dropped the ball.
- Raven - Like Rhino, his career was killed in WWE. Everyone loved him being champion, he was super over and he deserved it.
- AJ Styles - Held the title quite a few times and is the most over home grown talent they got. However, TNA is still trying to build their auidence and having really a no one isn't going to help them do it.
TNA just can't throw the belt on Shelley or Rhoode or Homicide, they need to be built up and TNA isn't ready to have a champion like that. Why everyone bitches about home grown talent is besides me. It isn't like they aren't used, just not as well as others. TNA wants to make an audience and money, it is all about bussiness and some people have to realize it.
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Post by Ultimate Figure Collector on Aug 16, 2007 18:23:44 GMT -5
Stop with the excuses for TNA. It's obvious TNA don't trust it's own stars so they push WWE guys. The same thing that killed WCW. I don't wanna hear that Christian wasn't a star in WWE. Sure he might not of been world champion but he was still very well known. I'm not saying put the title on Homicide, Shelley or Rhode. I'm saying give Joe a long run with the title. Stop having AJ Styles the once poster boy for TNA play second for Christian. You mentioned AJ Styles being the most over home grown star in TNA(which isn't true it's Joe) but that isn't the case at all since he joined forces with Christian. Oh and let's not forget Daniels' main event push where he said he was done with the X-Division only to be back in the X-Division 3 months later and join a jobber team because TNA has nothing for any of those three guys(Daniels, Ki, Skipper).
You say the home grown TNA guys aren't being misused then how come so many of them are unhappy? Hell, TNA even lets the bigger name guys have their own dressing room which was actually just mentioned on the round table talk on 24/7. JR, King, Bischoff, Hayes & Foley all agreed that separating the locker rooms is asking for trouble and believe it or not is a company killer and any promotion that does that are in for nothing but trouble.
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Post by timebombversion420 on Aug 16, 2007 18:30:42 GMT -5
TNA is simply going down hill...I love TNA but lets face it the past year or two its gone down hill...and to have one man have every freakin title ...I mean how is that gonna help the company ..even if they brought in Lesnar big freakin deal what another fued with Angle/Lesnar for a year ...or what not ....already been done in WWE....they should push the talent that got them to where they were...not the talent that got released from other companies or dont even wanna wrestle full time
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Post by CBT on Aug 16, 2007 18:32:44 GMT -5
Like I said, I already pointed this out earlier today, but to do some constructive I'll name some guys who could have been champion had TNA booked them properly. That'll be 9 guys, no rhyme or reason, just opportunity and alittle imagination.
Christopher Daniels
Monty Brown
Apollo
Sonny Siaki(LONG SHOT)
Ekmo Fatu(HAHA! JAMAL/UMAGA!)
Austin Aries
Hector Garza
James Storm(more so in due time)
Robert Roode(ie. James Storm)
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Post by Ultimate Figure Collector on Aug 16, 2007 18:34:01 GMT -5
I forgot to mention I'm sick of the excuses for Joe not getting the title. Right now everyone uses the "he could be leaving" excuse. That's not it at all. When Joe left ROH he was promised a world title run. If Joe don't get the title by the end of the year then he will be leaving and who can blame him? He's the most over guy on the roster and TNA still won't give him the ball and let him run with it. Samoa Joe should of got the title at Bound For Glory 05. Two years ago. Every single year we hear people say "Joe's gonna win the title at this years BFG I guarantee it" and it never happens.
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Post by timebombversion420 on Aug 16, 2007 18:45:01 GMT -5
I forgot to mention I'm sick of the excuses for Joe not getting the title. Right now everyone uses the "he could be leaving" excuse. That's not it at all. When Joe left ROH he was promised a world title run. If Joe don't get the title by the end of the year then he will be leaving and who can blame him? He's the most over guy on the roster and TNA still won't give him the ball and let him run with it. Samoa Joe should of got the title at Bound For Glory 05. Two years ago. Every single year we hear people say "Joe's gonna win the title at this years BFG I guarantee it" and it never happens. I totally agree |
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Post by American Phenom on Aug 16, 2007 19:01:32 GMT -5
How is Raven not a home grown guy? He was with TNA for years.
Just because they used to be in WWE/WCW doesn't mean they're the devil.
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Post by Ultimate Figure Collector on Aug 16, 2007 19:15:10 GMT -5
How is Raven not a home grown guy? He was with TNA for years. Just because they used to be in WWE/WCW doesn't mean they're the devil. Because Raven was also a WWE/WCW/ECW guy. How the hell is that home grown? He didn't all of a sudden just make his name in TNA so he's not home grown. The excuses with Raven, Christian, Jarrett & anyone is else is just that excuses. Are you gonna tell me that because Scott Hall never was a main eventer as Razor Ramon in the WWE that he was a WCW home grown talent? Or what about Lex Luger? Are you gonna tell me because he never won the WWF title that he was WCW home grown? Yeah, I know he was in NWA first but it had different bookers and a different name. TNA won't move the big names out of the way and let the guys like Joe, AJ, Daniels, Abyss & LAX shine in the spot light. Did TNA not learn from WCW's mistakes? |
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Post by timebombversion420 on Aug 16, 2007 19:24:23 GMT -5
How is Raven not a home grown guy? He was with TNA for years. Just because they used to be in WWE/WCW doesn't mean they're the devil. Because Raven was also a WWE/WCW/ECW guy. How the hell is that home grown? He didn't all of a sudden just make his name in TNA so he's not home grown. The excuses with Raven, Christian, Jarrett & anyone is else is just that excuses. Are you gonna tell me that because Scott Hall never was a main eventer as Razor Ramon in the WWE that he was a WCW home grown talent? Or what about Lex Luger? Are you gonna tell me because he never won the WWF title that he was WCW home grown? Yeah, I know he was in NWA first but it had different bookers and a different name. TNA won't move the big names out of the way and let the guys like Joe, AJ, Daniels, Abyss & LAX shine in the spot light. Did TNA not learn from WCW's mistakes? Undoubtly they havent learned anything....bad thing is....Russo @ Jarrett were both in wcw in its last days..now it looks like their gonna be with another company..TNA..in their last days if they dont change things quick |
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Post by Adam on Aug 16, 2007 20:17:05 GMT -5
TNA: We are World Championship Wrestling!
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Post by King Shocker the Monumentous on Aug 16, 2007 20:27:09 GMT -5
Sure, Joe could have the title but why would you give your title to a susperstar that might not even be around in a little while. They could have avoided that little snag by maybe giving Joe the title A YEAR AGO. |
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Post by 1wrestlinassociat1 on Aug 16, 2007 20:52:54 GMT -5
Its funny how everyone thinks they know whats better for a company than people who run the company.
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Post by Ultimate Figure Collector on Aug 16, 2007 22:53:56 GMT -5
Its funny how everyone thinks they know whats better for a company than people who run the company. It's funny when people like you say the idiotic things you do. Anyone with any intelligence here can book better than TNA can book. It don't take a genius to figure out that you have to make new stars and look to the future. |
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Post by 1wrestlinassociat1 on Aug 17, 2007 1:37:13 GMT -5
So then why don't you have a wrestling company? Why do you watch if it sucks and you can do better?
You call me idiotic but you watch something that you say any person can do better.
You sir are an imbecile.
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Post by Ultimate Figure Collector on Aug 17, 2007 3:36:47 GMT -5
So then why don't you have a wrestling company? Why do you watch if it sucks and you can do better? You call me idiotic but you watch something that you say any person can do better. You sir are an imbecile. I watch to see talent like Joe, Styles, LAX & others that I have watched on the indy's before they were big stars. I've watched TNA since the beginning as well. It was once a promotion that I enjoyed and it's one I'm hoping will improve. People bash TNA because they want it to improve and know that they can do better. It's pretty simple really. Just because the booking is idiotic doesn't mean the talent sucks. I've said it before and I'll say it again. TNA has all the talent in the world. If only they knew how to use it. Judging by your logic every time I speak about something wrong with any company I should just stop watching it. No need to voice my opinions in hope that it will improve. Nope, I should just stop watching it and to be honest I only watch TNA when I'm home which is only half of the time. TNA's talent is unhappy, that should tell TNA something. |
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Post by thewholefnshow3 on Aug 17, 2007 3:56:02 GMT -5
honestly and my opinion here i dont think joe should be a champion, hes ok, nothing great, the only reason i think hes gotten pushed is because of fan response, i think TNA has done good with what theyve had, Rhino and Abyss were 2 big ball drops, Rhino carried ECW in its dying days, and i loved watching him, Abyss would have had some great angles as a champ no pun intended there. i think theyre doing fine with a simple buisness philosiphy, using established talent and giving them a fresh run against people they may not have wrestled before, you cant just give Homicide the title and call him a heavyweight champ, first off hes not a heavyweight and 2ndly if they did other promotions could easily call them a major leauge indy promotion. and finally TNA doesnt have any homegrown talent they stole everyone from ROH or just got jobbless ex stars
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Post by Mr. PerpetuaLynch Motion on Aug 17, 2007 3:56:47 GMT -5
So then why don't you have a wrestling company? Why do you watch if it sucks and you can do better? You call me idiotic but you watch something that you say any person can do better. You sir are an imbecile. The only thing holding me back from owning my own wrestling company is 1) Age (I am only 17) 2) Lack of money 3) Lack of knowledge on how to obtain some talent for my promotion. If I was older, had as much money as TNA has and the same talent pool... I am 100% sure that alot of people (including myself) can book better than TNA... just look at some of the peoples bookings in the Wrestling Sims board... almost every TNA diary in there is a million times better than the actual product... |
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Post by 1wrestlinassociat1 on Aug 17, 2007 4:44:35 GMT -5
Maybe its better to you and the other smarks who think they are smarter than everyone, but not to the casual fans. The majority of people who watch wrestling are casual fans not internet smarks. And why would they have to establish talent that started there when they can get talent that are already established? Why make Sharkboy a main eventer when you can get guys like Rhyno and Christian? It saves time and gets better ratings.
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