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Post by Rated R on Oct 6, 2013 13:27:09 GMT -5
So in the upcoming weeks and months I'm going to be making a specific effort to turn the WFWF into more of a professional fed. I feel like we've got the writers, we've got the easy going nature, now all we need is to tighten up the way we run things, make us more appealing to new writers and turn the WFWF into one of those e-feds that people recommend and talk about outside of this board. I've started this thread to keep everyone up to date on what changes we've made behind the scenes and get your thoughts and ideas behind it all. So to get us started I've designed a new 'unofficial' schedule. It's unofficial because we all know how hard it is to keep to a schedule, especially to start with, and I fully expect it to take some tweaking. I'm aiming for a two week cycle for each Revolution and three weeks for pay per views. What's important here is that for myself and Shawn to stick to the two day turnaround for results and a new card we're going to have to become strict on the promo deadline. I'm asking for people to write and send their promo's in well ahead of time because if we've not got a promo / match when it comes to result writing day then we're just going to have to continue without it. Plenty of other feds manage for writers to write their promos in between deadlines and don't have the extra few days between RP's and promo's so I think we can manage it. To check out the initial schedule, go to this link. I'll be updating it beyond this show cycle very soon. One thing I'm considering it dropping the number of shows in between pay per views from four to three like a few other feds to promote the building of feuds and angles but that's something we've got some time to discuss. I really hope you're all on board with this because I think together we can really step it up. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2013 14:16:13 GMT -5
I think this is a great idea. And if the deadline is strictly enforced this should go extremely well. This seems like a good way to give us some more competitive matches and cards.
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Post by Markw on Oct 6, 2013 14:57:33 GMT -5
I really don't see how dropping the number of shows between Pay-Per-Views is going to encourage people to become more involved in storylines and writing angles. If someone isn't interested in that then, let's face it, it's probably not about the scheduling of shows. Now I don't know how well it has worked in other feds, I don't really look too far outside of this place, but if anything that just feels like it's going to limit people when they're planning out storylines. Trying to get people involved in E-Fed wide storylines (Demon/Pierce for example) and making more of an effort to bounce ideas off people surely does a lot more good than limiting the number of shows they have to work with? It is, from the outside looking in, beginning to look like more time is being spent discussing ideas about how things can be improved which is great. I'm really looking forward to the Halloween Show you've got planned and if it works out then I'd love to see more fun shows like that in the future. Must say that I'm a little skeptical about this new overhaul of the WFWF because it seems to happen every few months, but I'm cautiously optimistic that this is going to result in the fed becoming a lot more active.  |
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Post by Rated R on Oct 6, 2013 16:14:16 GMT -5
My idea, and it was purely an idea, behind dropping the number of shows to 3 was that maybe people would find it easier to put together a 3 show angle than a 4, as well as the fact that it streamlines the time between big eventful shows. Like I said it was simply an idea and not one that I was confident would really work but since I'm pretty active in the wider fedding community I often see things that work and wonder how we could tweak that to work over here.
And yes, I have done the whole overhaul speech before but this time I'm dedicated to it. One of the primary reasons I started up this thread was so that I'd be more motivated to go through with it since I'd put it out there for everyone to see. So I'm serious about it this time.
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Post by Revvie® on Oct 6, 2013 16:39:14 GMT -5
The truth is, this fed goes through hell because when most feds sputter out do to inactivity, they close. The WFWF is attached to another busy forum that allows rehauls, overhauls, and any other sort of "hauling" that will push it through to the next leg of the feds journey.
I remember doing a lot of connecting when I was running this place, and making a lot of deals to get new and fresh talent in the fed when I could. But whether those connects are writer friends, rpers, etc, you have to be willing to put the fed out looking professional, and that is the biggest first step. This have to look active, and look like they run on a good consistent timeline. Also the rps have to be up to snuff, and show we are place that showcases talent, and pushes new writers to become as great as the vets. etc.
I would say we all put our big kid boots on and start making this place something that it could/should be.
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Post by Ace Bennett on Oct 6, 2013 19:35:35 GMT -5
I'm strongly against three shows between each PPV. The current format is five, is it not? That's what it was when I was owner. And I could've swore it still was. I don't feel like three shows is enough build. I'm fine with cutting it to four, but I don't think three is enough.
I like the idea of a schedule and the segment and other deadlines becoming more strict, but I'm not going to believe it until it's sustained for longer than one or two shows. We tried that in my run, and it's a lot harder than you think. Part of the reason for that is what I'm about to bring up.
Honestly the thing holding the fed back more than anything is a lack activity from it's participants. That includes posting on the forum in general discussion, replying to each other's work, and writing up segments for the show. Coming here to only write RPs and then not do anything else, while completely fine if a small number does it, completely sucks out any appearance of activity for the federation as a whole. I mean, who wants to be a part of a board where there are spans of three or four days without a single post of the board?
I'm all for a tight schedule and a whole professional look and everything, but what's really going to draw people in is a community of writers who help each other improve their creative abilities in a welcoming, competitive, and fun environment. We have the tools here, and a number of people are already taking an initiative in helping this along, but three or four people doing so isn't going to be enough. I think the focus should be elsewhere right now. As long as the shows are getting up in a timely manner, which other than the PPV they have since I've returned, then it's not really a big issue for me personally.
My biggest complaint is the complete lack of replies to people's work. In an ideal world, all RPs should have at least 5 replies to them. I understand that some people are busy sometimes, but a lot of the RPs are pretty short and take no longer than ten minutes for me, a pretty slow reader, to read. I was really disappointed personally when I put a ton of work into my piece for this show and then to only get one reply from an active competitor. I'd rather have someone tell me that it's really horrible than get nothing at all. At least then I'll have something to draw from for future works. I know the owners are required to read the RPs, I don't think short replies are that big of a deal. It takes me literally a minute or two to type something up. That's not to knock the job the owners are doing of course but it's something that I've been feeling lately.
Overall, I really do not want the show cycles to go down to three regular shows between PPVs and activity is the issue WFWF is facing and not professionalism.
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Post by Prophet of Ash on Oct 7, 2013 13:28:31 GMT -5
Take my opinion for what it's worth, but the "strikes" system for no showing was something that I thought was a fantastic idea and it should've been stuck with. No showing SHOULD be considered the worst of the worst thing to do, not something to do casually or on again off again. If you can't manage to roleplay consistently, then leave. You're not particularly helping anyone by sticking around if you're not contributing anything to the federation or roleplaying. Or even somewhat consistently missing matches, because every missing match is a "wasted" roleplay for your opponent. Wasted time, wasted creative energy. I believe I "ranted" about this earlier and I'm not going to harp on it more, but it's a really simple ideology.
As far as growth, roleplaying as a whole is a dying thing. It's been dying for years. Creative writing as a whole is. A lot of the people a decade ago who would've been creative writing are now developing a Youtube show, have a blog, whatever. The new generation that replaces old timers like myself just aren't into it because technology is a lot more advanced than it was a few years ago. Look elsewhere on this site, things like fantasy booking and text feds that are essentially the same thing without the players or the roleplays are also severely suffering from inactivity and a lack of motivation.
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Post by Rated R on Oct 11, 2013 10:30:48 GMT -5
So ahead of the next show I'd like to announce two things:
1. Starting with this show we will begin reinforcing the no show policy. Like Schneider said it's something we shouldn't have stopped enforcing in the first place so from this show I'll be knocking everybody back to zero strikes and everything from this point on will count.
2. I'll be rebooting the WFWF.COM thread and making it (hopefully) much more relevant to the fed as a whole with announcements, articles and the like. On that point if anybody would be interested in writing pieces for WFWF.COM, either one-offs or permanently, then all you have to do is let me know and we can set you up with something.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2013 10:37:13 GMT -5
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I could write for WFWF.COM. I should be good at that.
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Post by Dex on Oct 13, 2013 16:11:52 GMT -5
I think it'll add a step in the right direction and a breath of fresh air.
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Post by Rated R on Oct 30, 2013 14:37:02 GMT -5
So two announcements to make: 1. As of this evening the WFWF is officially on Twitter. For the reasons and to add your name to the official list just check out this link.2. From here on out our very own Proggy (i.e. Dave Demento) will be taking over the Power 10 duties. I'll be focusing on the news / features sides of things for WFWF.COM and I've been looking to find a way to get Progs more involved what with all the work and dedication he puts in and this felt like a good start. The next items on my list of things to do are new / updated threads for the roster, title history, hall of fame and all that jazz so keep a look out for that and of course if anyone has any ideas then just post it here and get the ball rolling. |
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Post by bad guy™ on Oct 30, 2013 14:39:43 GMT -5
You had better leave my and Dementos pretty roster work alone there Mr. Demon. You can have the other sh*t but you leave his sexy graphics and my hours of coding alone. Rawr.  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2013 14:43:08 GMT -5
Samael Ahriman to inform us how to download the Twitter App on each WFWF Revolution. Book it.
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Post by bad guy™ on Oct 30, 2013 14:44:31 GMT -5
No.
...maybe...
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Post by Ace Bennett on Oct 30, 2013 14:48:03 GMT -5
Are we still moving forward with only three shows between PPVs? Because I'm still VERY against that and feel four is the very minimum for the cycles to have any decent build for feuds.
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Post by bad guy™ on Oct 30, 2013 14:49:45 GMT -5
I agree. That is WAY too short a time. I liked an idea E had a while back. We do 4 for regular shows, 5 for one of our "BIG 4" types...so Battleground, SotF, S&S and SB. Not a terrible thought.
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Post by Rated R on Oct 30, 2013 15:22:02 GMT -5
Nah, we're sticking to 4. I don't get where this idea that we've been running 5 a cycle came from, it's always been 4. I will consider the 5 for big pay per views if we need it though.
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