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Post by Greensborohill on Oct 14, 2013 9:45:41 GMT -5
Saw a pic of the million dollar man with the World belt in someones sig. I know he was working house shows with the title at one point. But can anyone rehash the story of how it came to be and what the original plan for the world belt was at that time?
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Post by dakis on Oct 14, 2013 10:37:14 GMT -5
I had read somewhere, I believe Bret Hart's book, he was scheduled to win the title at one point but Randy Savage ended up winning it.
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Post by Greensborohill on Oct 14, 2013 10:39:10 GMT -5
I recall reading that Randy was supposed to get the IC belt from HTM, but HTM refused to drop it, so they moved Randy to the big time. Just wonder if anyone knew what the long-term plan for M$M w/ the belt was.
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Post by mikey1974 on Oct 14, 2013 13:51:58 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2013 22:45:20 GMT -5
Wow never seen those pics.
Anyway, I'm shocked he never got a decent run with the belt. You just have to remember the business moved so slowly back then and title changes were rare. I kinda miss that.
I remember it being a HUGE deal when Bret was tied with Hogan by being a 5 time WWF champ. These days someone could be a 5 time champ in the time span of two years.
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Post by He Hate Me on Oct 15, 2013 2:10:59 GMT -5
supposedly,the plan was for Dibiase to win the Mania 4 Title Tournament,then be Champion til...whenever. probably when Hogan was done filming No Holds Barred. but then Honky refused to drop the IC Belt to Savage (on The Main Event) ,so to make it up to him Vince decided to have Savage win the tournament rather than Dibiase. the only thing I am unclear of is -had Savage won the IC Belt - whether or not Andre would've beat Hogan on The Main Event,then sold the Title to Dibiase causing it to be vacated? or if it would've been a screwy finish between the 2 that still would've had the title vacated,but not have it given to Dibiase? cause I'm pretty sure Vince promised Dibiase the WWF Championship as a way to entice him to come to the WWF ( reports/rumors were that Dibiase was actually going to win the NWA World Championship before he signed with Vince), and I could very easily see this brief "reign",if you want to call it that,being Vince's way of saying "Look! I DID give you the Belt!" after he decided to go with Savage instead.    I believe DiBiase wore the title at events while the title was vacant after the match at Main Event. I remember reading that Savage won the title at Wrestlemania 4 because Vince thought it would be best for the fans to leave happy after the biggest event of the year. In fact a heel didn't leave wrestlemania with the championship until wrestlemania 2000. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2013 10:23:27 GMT -5
according to many who were involved at the time this is directly down to HTM.
Basically Savage was to slaughter him on TME for the IC title.at the meeting about the match Honky was never consulted about the match and walked.he knew Vince had spies in Turner land and sowed the seed over there that he was interested in moving.
the trouble over this soured Vince on the Savage IC reign so he got the World title instead.Dibiases schedualed win was quietly dropped....BUT he got to work the ME program with the Mega Powers anyway......so financially(according to Heenan,Jimmy hart and others)he didn't lose out at all.....this was Vinces TRUE compensation to Ted.
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Post by Nivro™ on Oct 15, 2013 22:04:02 GMT -5
supposedly,the plan was for Dibiase to win the Mania 4 Title Tournament,then be Champion til...whenever. probably when Hogan was done filming No Holds Barred. but then Honky refused to drop the IC Belt to Savage (on The Main Event) ,so to make it up to him Vince decided to have Savage win the tournament rather than Dibiase. the only thing I am unclear of is -had Savage won the IC Belt - whether or not Andre would've beat Hogan on The Main Event,then sold the Title to Dibiase causing it to be vacated? or if it would've been a screwy finish between the 2 that still would've had the title vacated,but not have it given to Dibiase? cause I'm pretty sure Vince promised Dibiase the WWF Championship as a way to entice him to come to the WWF ( reports/rumors were that Dibiase was actually going to win the NWA World Championship before he signed with Vince), and I could very easily see this brief "reign",if you want to call it that,being Vince's way of saying "Look! I DID give you the Belt!" after he decided to go with Savage instead. I believe DiBiase wore the title at events while the title was vacant after the match at Main Event. I remember reading that Savage won the title at Wrestlemania 4 because Vince thought it would be best for the fans to leave happy after the biggest event of the year. In fact a heel didn't leave wrestlemania with the championship until wrestlemania 2000. Not sure if that's accurate though. The picture above clearly shows him being listed/promoted as World Champion. If he wore the title while vacated they wouldnt/shouldnt have promoted him as the champion. |
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Post by mikey1974 on Oct 16, 2013 13:15:57 GMT -5
I believe DiBiase wore the title at events while the title was vacant after the match at Main Event. I remember reading that Savage won the title at Wrestlemania 4 because Vince thought it would be best for the fans to leave happy after the biggest event of the year. In fact a heel didn't leave wrestlemania with the championship until wrestlemania 2000. Not sure if that's accurate though. The picture above clearly shows him being listed/promoted as World Champion. If he wore the title while vacated they wouldnt/shouldnt have promoted him as the champion. there was a few days between The Main Event on Thursday and Prime Time Wrestling on Monday when they announced the Title as being vacant. my guess is he wore the title from Friday to Monday (maybe even Tuesday) and was billed as The Champ until PTW aired. cause they set up the angle at TME where Jesse and Vince were both saying they weren't sure if Andre surrendering the Title to Dibiase was legal,so he could've been billed as Champ for those few days until,storyline-wise, he was finally declared not Champ... |
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Post by koreygunz on Oct 16, 2013 19:31:49 GMT -5
I always wondered what would have happened had HTM dropped the IC title to Savage on TME. I would assume the finish to Hogan/Andre was already planned and would go down as is to set up the tourney at WM. And if we assume that the original plan called for Dibiase to win the title, how would Savage's career played from there? Can we assume there would be no Mega Powers? Who does Savage eventually drop the IC title to? Does Savage ever win the WWF Title at all in the 80s?
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Post by cordless2016 on Oct 16, 2013 20:20:52 GMT -5
Wow never seen those pics. Anyway, I'm shocked he never got a decent run with the belt. You just have to remember the business moved so slowly back then and title changes were rare. I kinda miss that. I remember it being a HUGE deal when Bret was tied with Hogan by being a 5 time WWF champ. These days someone could be a 5 time champ in the time span of two years. Or at the rate Bryan is going in about 6 months. I also remember it being a big deal when Bret tied Hogan at 5 WWE Title reigns. Today its a joke when Cena wins it, drops it a few weeks later, gets it back, drops it again a few weeks later, and so on and so on... Its sad but if you count both his WWE and WHC wins, Cena won 4 world titles from November 2008 to November 2009 (6 total if you push it to March 2010). The fact that Edge is an 11x world champ in a little over five years is an even bigger joke to me. |
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Post by Greensborohill on Oct 17, 2013 7:43:21 GMT -5
Chalk it up to the shortening attention spans of society today
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2013 10:30:47 GMT -5
I always wondered what would have happened had HTM dropped the IC title to Savage on TME. I would assume the finish to Hogan/Andre was already planned and would go down as is to set up the tourney at WM. And if we assume that the original plan called for Dibiase to win the title, how would Savage's career played from there? Can we assume there would be no Mega Powers? Who does Savage eventually drop the IC title to? Does Savage ever win the WWF Title at all in the 80s? Yup its a thinker for sure......I think the Mega Powers were already in the works at this point.and Hogan would probably have beaten Dibiase at WM to regain it maybe? Hogan and Savage as the Mega Powers with the World and IC straps perhaps? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2013 11:22:23 GMT -5
This is the first I've heard of any of this, very interesting stuff.
Honky is a piece of crap, he's lucky he even had the strap in the first place as originally that was going to be Butch Reed who won the title (who didn't show). Apparently Hogan suggested HTM to Vince instead.
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Post by mikey1974 on Oct 18, 2013 11:18:59 GMT -5
This is the first I've heard of any of this, very interesting stuff. Honky is a piece of crap, he's lucky he even had the strap in the first place as originally that was going to be Butch Reed who won the title (who didn't show). Apparently Hogan suggested HTM to Vince instead. yeah,the story I've heard is that,like you said,Reed didn't show (though the Natural has disputed this in recent years,but there have been enough 80's guys OTHER than Reed saying it was true,so who knows!),and I guess Vince was in a bit of a panic as to what to do. back in those days (maybe it still happens today? i don't know.) the wrestlers in the locker room would come up and basically genuflect to the Champion by shaking his hand and thanking him for all the work he does. kissing his ass,basically. apparently Honky was one of the guys who came up to Hogan and did this - as per custom - and Hulk looked at him and told Vince he should put the Belt on Honky instead of Reed. of course,Vince listened to almost everything Hogan said back then. makes the mind boggle that maybe if One Man Gang or Rick Rude had come up to shake Hogan's hand before HTM,they might've been the new IC Champ instead! |
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Post by mikey1974 on Oct 18, 2013 11:28:00 GMT -5
I always wondered what would have happened had HTM dropped the IC title to Savage on TME. I would assume the finish to Hogan/Andre was already planned and would go down as is to set up the tourney at WM. And if we assume that the original plan called for Dibiase to win the title, how would Savage's career played from there? Can we assume there would be no Mega Powers? Who does Savage eventually drop the IC title to? Does Savage ever win the WWF Title at all in the 80s? Yup its a thinker for sure......I think the Mega Powers were already in the works at this point.and Hogan would probably have beaten Dibiase at WM to regain it maybe? Hogan and Savage as the Mega Powers with the World and IC straps perhaps? makes you wonder,doesn't it?! this is one of the things I love about pro wrestling : it's chock full of "what-if's" as so many angles,matches,and characters got changed to something other than originally intended! I don't think Hogan was gonna win it at WM4,just cause,as has been said,DiBiase was going to win the tournament. if it still ended up DiBiase vs Savage in the finals,I could see things continuing how they did,just with a different twist at SummerSlam. I'm thinking they still become the "Megapowers" ,but don't team up at SS. I'm thinking along the lines of Dibiase & Andre vs Savage & Hogan goes all summer long,like it did. at some point DiBiase and Andre cost Savage the IC Belt. SummerSlam has 2 main events: Hogan vs Andre - billed as the "final" singles match between the 2, since technically they were tied ( Hogan won WM3, Andre "won" TME, WM4 was a draw). WWF Champion Ted Dibiase vs Macho Man - have Savage go over here,with Hogan's help. you have Macho as the new face Champion endorsed by Hogan,and Hogan gets his revenge on DiBiase. then everything can continue as it did,with the 2 of them as the Megapowers up til Feb. 1989 when Savage turns on Hogan and still leads into WrestleMania V. |
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