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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Nov 6, 2013 16:32:54 GMT -5
I see that Hacksaw Duggan is asking fans for donations now, much like Jake Roberts did a year or so ago for surgery. My question is now...
Is this right of them to do??
See, my theory is, even if Duggan, or Roberts had money, they could still say they didn't, and work the fans into donating their money to them. That's what wrestlers do, they prey on our emotions, because we invest time into them.
So what's everyone's opinion about the wrestlers of yesterday asking fans for money because they are supposedly 'broke'??
I know if I was in need of help, I am sure nobody would donate money to me, I feel that these wrestlers use their celebrity status too much at times.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2013 16:36:54 GMT -5
Would you give money if HBK or Nash asked? Back when these guys were on "top" of the world, yes, they should have saved their cash, but back then they lived like they were going to die tomorrow. They also built up such a fan base with people who loved them. So why not ask those they think like family for some money to help them out. I'm sure none of them are happy about doing it.
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Post by Punk on Nov 6, 2013 16:38:33 GMT -5
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Nov 6, 2013 16:41:22 GMT -5
Would you give money if HBK or Nash asked? Back when these guys were on "top" of the world, yes, they should have saved their cash, but back then they lived like they were going to die tomorrow. They also built up such a fan base with people who loved them. So why not ask those they think like family for some money to help them out. I'm sure none of them are happy about doing it. No, I wouldn't. Just like I know if I went up to them, or you even, and said "I'm broke, and I need help with paying some bills" I know they, or you wouldn't help me out. And if you actually would help me out, then I could use some money, so donate to my fund.  |
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Post by AV1 on Nov 6, 2013 16:44:16 GMT -5
This is why I respect the Big Show. Not once in recent months have I seen him ask the fans for money to help him out since he is broke.
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Post by Nivro™ on Nov 6, 2013 16:46:48 GMT -5
These guys chose a career that involved breaking bones, wearing down joints, pulling muscles and tearing ligament & tendons. All while having no health insurance, no 401k, no retirement and contrary to what many believe, 90% of them probably didnt make more then you're average working male does. They chose to do it and they chose to do it for you, the fans. I have no problems with them asking for money. I also have no problems with anyone one who does or doesnt want to donate. Its a free country (for now).
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Post by y2josh on Nov 6, 2013 16:49:56 GMT -5
I'm a bitter, jaded, money hoarding kind of guy. I find it to be absurd that we pay anyone for their signature, let alone for their medical bills etc. We, as fans, have pumped quite a bit of money into the machine known as pro wrestling, giving these men and women a life of celebrity and notoriety. John Cena owns more cars now than I'll ever own in my lifetime, as an example. For them to be bartering with us to pay for them to have surgery, when at one time, they were on top of the world, is somewhat insulting to me. Like the OP said, they sure as heck wouldn't float us any money for our medical issues.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2013 16:51:32 GMT -5
I'm kind of torn on this. I'd never donate but I don't think it's a huge deal if they seek financial help.
Tons of indie movie developers ask for donations so they can produce movies. Hacksaw is asking for a donation to keep producing in the ring/living a functional lifestyle.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2013 16:57:06 GMT -5
I'm a bitter, jaded, money hoarding kind of guy. I find it to be absurd that we pay anyone for their signature, let alone for their medical bills etc. We, as fans, have pumped quite a bit of money into the machine known as pro wrestling, giving these men and women a life of celebrity and notoriety. John Cena owns more cars now than I'll ever own in my lifetime, as an example. For them to be bartering with us to pay for them to have surgery, when at one time, they were on top of the world, is somewhat insulting to me. Like the OP said, they sure as heck wouldn't float us any money for our medical issues. You're 100% right in that we as fans have put out a lot of money to see these people perform so why shell out more? I think it's debatable case by case; Hacksaw is asking for donations to fix an injury suffered from years of in ring performing while in the case of Jake Roberts, his troubles came from drugs, alcohol, and not living the right lifestyle. Also you have to consider the times, back then unless you were Hulk Hogan you probably weren't getting paid all that much. Again, I don't disagree with you that we shouldn't have to pay for them as they sure as hell wouldn't help any of us out but there are people out there who will likely contribute as they feel a connection with these superstars and the wrestlers know that. Whether they're lying and just trying to get money, that's another story. |
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Post by Brad on Nov 6, 2013 19:30:02 GMT -5
I tend to agree with the OP. Something like that wouldnt work for one of us. They definitely use their status. I never give to these things.
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Post by mikey1974 on Nov 6, 2013 19:59:29 GMT -5
the bottom line is,ANYONE can beg for money. it's up to the individual to decide whether to give it to them or not.
Hell,I'd like to go pick up a case of Corona's, but am saving my money to take my wife out to dinner this weekend. will anyone help me descend into alcoholism? anyone?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2013 20:02:28 GMT -5
Well, you don't have to live in a mansion because you're a wrestler like some of the guys today think. Get a good apartment, nothing super fancy, save money. It's not super hard.
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Post by Nivro™ on Nov 6, 2013 20:03:18 GMT -5
the bottom line is,ANYONE can beg for money. it's up to the individual to decide whether to give it to them or not. Hell,I'd like to go pick up a case of Corona's, but am saving my money to take my wife out to dinner this weekend. will anyone help me descend into alcoholism? anyone? No, but Ill take your wife off your hands for an evening! (jk) |
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Post by mrassbillygunn on Nov 6, 2013 20:04:29 GMT -5
HAHA priceless. I cant stop laughing. Anyway no i wouldn't donate money to any of them. Especially not Jake, ive heard many times how much of a jerk he is at signings and shows. |
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Post by mikey1974 on Nov 6, 2013 20:49:30 GMT -5
the bottom line is,ANYONE can beg for money. it's up to the individual to decide whether to give it to them or not. Hell,I'd like to go pick up a case of Corona's, but am saving my money to take my wife out to dinner this weekend. will anyone help me descend into alcoholism? anyone? No, but Ill take your wife off your hands for an evening! (jk)LOL! Don't tempt me! |
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Post by BrIaNMeRcY on Nov 6, 2013 22:32:24 GMT -5
These guys chose a career that involved breaking bones, wearing down joints, pulling muscles and tearing ligament & tendons. All while having no health insurance, no 401k, no retirement and contrary to what many believe, 90% of them probably didnt make more then you're average working male does. They chose to do it and they chose to do it for you, the fans. I have no problems with them asking for money. I also have no problems with anyone one who does or doesnt want to donate. Its a free country (for now). This is one of many reasons why Jessie Ventura wanted a union in wrestling. Wrestlers have no health benefits as well as a retirement fund. The fact that their job is physically demanding warrants health benefits as well as a retirement fund. People who either work in Wall Street as well in finance, they get health benefits. Something wrestlers don't get. The fact that wrestlers are labeled as independent contractors speaks volumes. These guys in the 80's didn't get paid that much. Additionally, they relied on pain killers to work through the grueling schedule the WWF had back then. Other than that, it was hard for them to save up money for their medical bills and retirement. This is why guys such as Hulk Hogan and Ric Flair are still involved in the industry. Well, you don't have to live in a mansion because you're a wrestler like some of the guys today think. Get a good apartment, nothing super fancy, save money. It's not super hard. I have to disagree with you on that. These days, its becoming increasingly hard to save up for retirement, housing, and daily/monthly expenses. A lot of workers have to pay for their medical benefits as well as retirement. Small things can add up big time. If you have a 401.k, you're screwed if the stock market tanks. The overall economy still has not rebounded due to the recession we had in 2007/2008. Your statement would have merit if it was the late-90's. Not in present day 2013. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2013 6:32:56 GMT -5
They have the right to ask.
I have the right to not give them sh*t.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2013 6:58:18 GMT -5
Duggan is asking for 6K... Does he really not have 6K to his name?
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Post by ~ Cymru ~ on Nov 7, 2013 7:09:22 GMT -5
I doubt very much that he's broke, but obviously he's raising money by selling the perks as well....
I think its less of a donation and more of a purchase. you just know what the other person is gonna use the money for...
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Post by mikey1974 on Nov 7, 2013 7:15:11 GMT -5
These guys chose a career that involved breaking bones, wearing down joints, pulling muscles and tearing ligament & tendons. All while having no health insurance, no 401k, no retirement and contrary to what many believe, 90% of them probably didnt make more then you're average working male does. They chose to do it and they chose to do it for you, the fans. I have no problems with them asking for money. I also have no problems with anyone one who does or doesnt want to donate. Its a free country (for now). This is one of many reasons why Jessie Ventura wanted a union in wrestling. Wrestlers have no health benefits as well as a retirement fund. The fact that their job is physically demanding warrants health benefits as well as a retirement fund. People who either work in Wall Street as well in finance, they get health benefits. Something wrestlers don't get. The fact that wrestlers are labeled as independent contractors speaks volumes. These guys in the 80's didn't get paid that much. Additionally, they relied on pain killers to work through the grueling schedule the WWF had back then. Other than that, it was hard for them to save up money for their medical bills and retirement. This is why guys such as Hulk Hogan and Ric Flair are still involved in the industry. Well, you don't have to live in a mansion because you're a wrestler like some of the guys today think. Get a good apartment, nothing super fancy, save money. It's not super hard. I have to disagree with you on that. These days, its becoming increasingly hard to save up for retirement, housing, and daily/monthly expenses. A lot of workers have to pay for their medical benefits as well as retirement. Small things can add up big time. If you have a 401.k, you're screwed if the stock market tanks. The overall economy still has not rebounded due to the recession we had in 2007/2008. Your statement would have merit if it was the late-90's. Not in present day 2013. to be fair,WCW wrestlers had health insurance. I'm sure that has more to do with them being Turner/Time-Warner employees than wrestlers,but they still had it. |
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