Barney Stinson
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Post by Barney Stinson on Nov 7, 2013 11:42:38 GMT -5
Well, you don't have to live in a mansion because you're a wrestler like some of the guys today think. Get a good apartment, nothing super fancy, save money. It's not super hard. Although he's not the most popular guy to reference, Kevin Nash said something along these lines in an interview once. He said that when he was on top and WWF Champion, he saw guys going out and buying fancy cars and big houses, while he just got an apartment with his wife and had an ok car. He said what's the point of having all of this fancy stuff now when you are only home a couple of weeks out of the year to enjoy it.
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Post by JC Motors on Nov 7, 2013 12:29:31 GMT -5
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Post by TheHotshot on Nov 8, 2013 12:28:14 GMT -5
It'd break my heart to see my favourite wrestlers dying and asking for money but it's their own fault for blowing millions of Dollars.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2013 18:16:31 GMT -5
If I had the money, I would donate to a surgery or some sort of treatment. But I wouldn't donate just because they asked me to.
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Post by BrIaNMeRcY on Nov 8, 2013 23:34:54 GMT -5
Well, you don't have to live in a mansion because you're a wrestler like some of the guys today think. Get a good apartment, nothing super fancy, save money. It's not super hard. Although he's not the most popular guy to reference, Kevin Nash said something along these lines in an interview once. He said that when he was on top and WWF Champion, he saw guys going out and buying fancy cars and big houses, while he just got an apartment with his wife and had an ok car. He said what's the point of having all of this fancy stuff now when you are only home a couple of weeks out of the year to enjoy it. Speaking of Kevin Nash, he commented on his financial state over the Summer: I think this speaks for itself.
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Post by cordless2016 on Nov 9, 2013 0:30:16 GMT -5
I haven't been out of college long and started my first legit career-job not too long ago. I could easily live like there is no tomorrow but instead budget the money I make to ensure that I have enough later on and don't screw the pooch. Theses men were in a business where there is no union, no benefits, no 401k plans, etc... They knew what type of business they were in and knew that there wasn't much job security unless you were Hogan. They could have easily budgeted their money like we do. Yes as a fan I feel sorry that some of them have life long issues because of what they did in the ring to entertain us but that was their choice. We didn't tell them they had to become pro wrestlers. That and the fact that if the foot was on the other shoe I doubt they'd come to help a fan, even in their heydays when they were making money. We can't live like there is no tomorrow so what excuse did they have?
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Post by BrIaNMeRcY on Nov 9, 2013 1:23:18 GMT -5
I haven't been out of college long and started my first legit career-job not too long ago. I could easily live like there is no tomorrow but instead budget the money I make to ensure that I have enough later on and don't screw the pooch. Theses men were in a business where there is no union, no benefits, no 401k plans, etc... They knew what type of business they were in and knew that there wasn't much job security unless you were Hogan. They could have easily budgeted their money like we do. Yes as a fan I feel sorry that some of them have life long issues because of what they did in the ring to entertain us but that was their choice. We didn't tell them they had to become pro wrestlers. That and the fact that if the foot was on the other shoe I doubt they'd come to help a fan, even in their heydays when they were making money. We can't live like there is no tomorrow so what excuse did they have? One like button isn't enough on this post. What you said is absolute truth. The wrestlers of yester-year didn't save up enough to live comfortably into their 40's onward. It was purely their choice to become independent contractors. They did it because they had passion to do it. Obviously, it came with a huge risk. In every profession, you have to look at the risks involved. Doesn't matter if you're a bank teller, bus operator, construction worker, sand hog, and even a professional wrestler. In professional sports, these players can have big money contracts but sadly, they blow away huge wads of money. That is why they rely on endorsement deals. That extra income allows them to recoup any money they wasted away. Do you really think The Rock wanted to leave the wrestling industry for Hollywood? Ask yourself that every day. The Rock was being smart, took advantage of the opportunity and has been able to make a boat load of money as a result. Whoever coined the phrase money talks is a very intelligent person. In a recent interview that Ken Shamrock did, he noted that in any profession, you have a very small window to make as much as you can. One has to maximize the amount of money their earn and can put away for retirement. As big as the NFL is, some NFL players get paid peanuts. That is why you see a lot of NFL players taking endorsements. Look at Michael Strahan now. He has a very steady gig with Kelly Ripa every morning. While there is life after wrestling, you have to look at the pros and cons of being on the road for insane amounts a year. Its incredibly sad that the rock 'n roll lifestyle these 80's talents had left them with nothing 25 years later. Its no wonder why Hulk Hogan and Ric Flair are still involved in the industry. White it does not pertain to the scope of this thread but if there is one thing I'm seeing is that even some college graduates can't find a secure job in the field they majored in. Life and society is going to be continually be rough on our mentality and physical state. While breathing oxygen is a chance that has been granted to us, living and making bad choices can bite us in the ass big time.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2013 9:43:24 GMT -5
I haven't been out of college long and started my first legit career-job not too long ago. I could easily live like there is no tomorrow but instead budget the money I make to ensure that I have enough later on and don't screw the pooch. Theses men were in a business where there is no union, no benefits, no 401k plans, etc... They knew what type of business they were in and knew that there wasn't much job security unless you were Hogan. They could have easily budgeted their money like we do. Yes as a fan I feel sorry that some of them have life long issues because of what they did in the ring to entertain us but that was their choice. We didn't tell them they had to become pro wrestlers. That and the fact that if the foot was on the other shoe I doubt they'd come to help a fan, even in their heydays when they were making money. We can't live like there is no tomorrow so what excuse did they have? whoa.....strong contender for post of the year in the Classics Board. talk about being spot on.well said man.
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Post by mikey1974 on Nov 9, 2013 14:37:09 GMT -5
Foley was a good example of this too. he openly talks about how other wrestlers would laugh at him cause while they were staying at 5-Star hotel's and resorts,he would be at the local economy motel. he talked about Vader having a drinking and food bill from one hotel in excess of several thousand dollars,and would always rent a mercedes or some other expensive car. meanwhile a luxury night out for Foley was a local pizza joint or Burger King,and he'd try to rent the cheapest car he could find with a bunch of other guys to cut down on cost. he was legendarily thrifty,but now he doesn't have to worry about money or working ever again.
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Post by mikey1974 on Nov 9, 2013 14:44:26 GMT -5
I haven't been out of college long and started my first legit career-job not too long ago. I could easily live like there is no tomorrow but instead budget the money I make to ensure that I have enough later on and don't screw the pooch. Theses men were in a business where there is no union, no benefits, no 401k plans, etc... They knew what type of business they were in and knew that there wasn't much job security unless you were Hogan. They could have easily budgeted their money like we do. Yes as a fan I feel sorry that some of them have life long issues because of what they did in the ring to entertain us but that was their choice. We didn't tell them they had to become pro wrestlers. That and the fact that if the foot was on the other shoe I doubt they'd come to help a fan, even in their heydays when they were making money. We can't live like there is no tomorrow so what excuse did they have? One like button isn't enough on this post. What you said is absolute truth. The wrestlers of yester-year didn't save up enough to live comfortably into their 40's onward. It was purely their choice to become independent contractors. They did it because they had passion to do it. Obviously, it came with a huge risk. In every profession, you have to look at the risks involved. Doesn't matter if you're a bank teller, bus operator, construction worker, sand hog, and even a professional wrestler. In professional sports, these players can have big money contracts but sadly, they blow away huge wads of money. That is why they rely on endorsement deals. That extra income allows them to recoup any money they wasted away. Do you really think The Rock wanted to leave the wrestling industry for Hollywood? Ask yourself that every day. The Rock was being smart, took advantage of the opportunity and has been able to make a boat load of money as a result. Whoever coined the phrase money talks is a very intelligent person. In a recent interview that Ken Shamrock did, he noted that in any profession, you have a very small window to make as much as you can. One has to maximize the amount of money their earn and can put away for retirement. As big as the NFL is, some NFL players get paid peanuts. That is why you see a lot of NFL players taking endorsements. Look at Michael Strahan now. He has a very steady gig with Kelly Ripa every morning. While there is life after wrestling, you have to look at the pros and cons of being on the road for insane amounts a year. Its incredibly sad that the rock 'n roll lifestyle these 80's talents had left them with nothing 25 years later. Its no wonder why Hulk Hogan and Ric Flair are still involved in the industry. White it does not pertain to the scope of this thread but if there is one thing I'm seeing is that even some college graduates can't find a secure job in the field they majored in. Life and society is going to be continually be rough on our mentality and physical state. While breathing oxygen is a chance that has been granted to us, living and making bad choices can bite us in the ass big time. well said! not making excuses here,but no doubt the 80's rock and roll lifestyle these guys lived every night contributed to it all. every night it was drugs,booze,women, parties, and living like there was no tomorrow,cause the industry was so hot in the 80's,that they really DID believe the party train would never end. and,of course,for so many it did. Bret Hart talked about an incident in his book,how he was at...someone's...funeral,and got these evil,nasty,dark looks from several of the other wrestlers that were there,notably Bad News Brown. when Bret found out that News was now working as a security guard,he figured it out - anger and jealousy,cause Bret was smart,saved and invested his money,and didn't go broke, while Bad News and these other guys blew all their money,never invested or saved much of anything,and now live paycheck to paycheck,with nothing to show for all their time in the business.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2013 0:54:45 GMT -5
This thread really annoys me. "Hacksaw" is asking you to purchase merchandise and even offering personal interactions to help him raise money for surgery. I would like a "Hacksaw" t-shirt. I would like an autographed 8x10. Hell, I would love to have a short conversation with "Hacksaw". The guy needs a surgery. If you don't want to make a purchase, that's fine, but don't knock the man for being in a hard spot. I've said it before and I'll say it again. NO ONE is the United States should not have health insurance. It should be provided through universal healthcare just like every other industrialized nation in the world.
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Post by HuskerTornado on Nov 11, 2013 6:40:46 GMT -5
The guy is nothing but sincere in that video. Jim isn't going to take the money and use it on booze and drugs...he obviously needs the surgery. He wouldn't be asking for the money if he didn't need it.
While no one forced them to become pro wrestlers, no one forced any of us to watch their matches, enjoy their characters, etc. If you want to help a guy out that you were a fan of at one time, great, he'll definitely appreciate the support. If you don't, that's also your business, but you don't need to kick the man while he is down and question his integrity/intent. I'm sure it took a tremendous amount of pride swallowing to make that video and ask for help.
Many of these guys didn't make huge money. Kevin Nash has a pile of money because of his WCW contracts and didn't blow all of it like his buddy Scott Hall.
People have already donated nearly $10k for this, his goal already met.
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Post by jakksking1 on Nov 11, 2013 10:57:11 GMT -5
I don't really have a lot of sympathy for older wrestlers who spent their money poorly. Kevin Nash, although made a ton of money, did something other wrestlers didn't do - see a financial advisor. Even the lower card wrestlers in WCW and WWF were very well compensated. In Austin's bio DVD, he said he was making around 90k a year as a mid carder in WCW. This was before they went batcrap nuts with their contracts. It's hard for me to feel sympathy for people who made a lot more than normal folk asking for money because they pissed it away.
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Post by slappy on Nov 12, 2013 3:59:57 GMT -5
I have no problem with them asking. You don't have to give to them but I'm sure there are fans that would love to donate to their favorite wrestler and get something from them in return.
There are wrestlers who aren't sick or hurt that ask for money for stuff or have a wishlist and let fans buy stuff for them. Again, I have no problem with it but I'd be more likely to donate to a health fund for a wrestler.
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Nov 14, 2013 0:17:46 GMT -5
I see there is a thing on the internet right now about how people who donated money to Scott Hall and Jake Roberts didn't get any of the promises that those two said they would do if the fans donated the money to them.
Kind of like I was suspected when I made this thread, these wrestlers play on the fans emotions, they made a living out of it. And they can still do it to the point people will give their hard earned money that they need to these 'heroes' from the past.
Jake Roberts and Scott Hall will never change.
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Post by Jack on Nov 14, 2013 2:53:58 GMT -5
Yeah, it is tough. It just makes you wonder who was managing their finances so badly.
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Post by mikey1974 on Nov 14, 2013 6:13:00 GMT -5
Yeah, it is tough. It just makes you wonder who was managing their finances so badly. i think the issue was NO ONE was managing their finances.Flair talked about how he would make,as world champ,about $2,000 a night. then,he would go out,rent a bunch of limo's,go to a fancy restaurant to eat,hit up a bar or strip club with the other wrestlers (and pick up their tabs),rent the most expensive room at the finest hotel in town for the night,and usually party there til the wee hours of the morning with more people and more alcohol and food. he said he usually spend about $5,000 - $6,000 a night. so,after making 2 Grand,he was in hole nearly every night about 3 or 4 grand every night! but,it was part of living the "Ric Flair Lifestyle"... he wasn't the only one doing this (though maybe he was the worst?).guys would get paid,then go blow their money on women,booze,and drugs. the mentality was,wresttling was so hot in the 80's,being in either the NWA or WWF you had nothing to worry about,so go have fun!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2013 8:51:14 GMT -5
Yeah, it is tough. It just makes you wonder who was managing their finances so badly. i think the issue was NO ONE was managing their finances.Flair talked about how he would make,as world champ,about $2,000 a night. then,he would go out,rent a bunch of limo's,go to a fancy restaurant to eat,hit up a bar or strip club with the other wrestlers (and pick up their tabs),rent the most expensive room at the finest hotel in town for the night,and usually party there til the wee hours of the morning with more people and more alcohol and food. he said he usually spend about $5,000 - $6,000 a night. so,after making 2 Grand,he was in hole nearly every night about 3 or 4 grand every night! but,it was part of living the "Ric Flair Lifestyle"... As someone else said a couple posts up, it's no surprise he and Hogan are still floundering around in the business at 60+ years old. Actually, I'm sure their divorces played a huge role in their troubles.
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Post by Focalin on Nov 15, 2013 0:57:54 GMT -5
To be completely honest, I'd probably donate to a young indy worker with NO name to himself rather than an ex billionaire who spent all their money on drugs.
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Post by Darkhawk on Nov 15, 2013 1:20:38 GMT -5
To be completely honest, I'd probably donate to a young indy worker with NO name to himself rather than an ex billionaire who spent all their money on drugs. Same. I wouldn't want to donate money to someone to have a surgery and still wrestle when they're no longer in their prime anymore. If they'd stop wrestling then that's a different thing.
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