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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2013 6:15:54 GMT -5
What about Mr Perfect. If he doesn't have that bad back injury I believe he might have gotten the push that Bret Hart was handed. He was a charismatic a Shawn Michaels and was a awesome technician. If he doesn't get hurt the sky was the limit. IMO that's unlikely BUT not impossible.if Hennig had been healthy & competing in 1992 God only knows what would have happened but I still say Hart would have got the push. I also heavily dispute the use of the term "handed" here.I don't believe Hart was handed anything.his run as IC champ was very well received.his 2nd run which started with a excellent victory over Piper was great too. then he CARRIED Smiths drugged up assh*le all around Wembley Stadium @ Summerslam 1992.why Smith felt the need to p*ss on his chips in this manner astounds me.it was his big moment in the sun......and by association Brets too. 1)he was in front of a rabid home crowd 2)he was en route to his first major singles title AND the World Title match was bumped for his moment 3)he was wrestling his brother in law whom he had proven chemistry with. it should have been one of THE greatest matches EVER.now...it was good because of Harts ability,in ring awareness and psychology.....Hart saved Summerslam 1992. he was "handed" f*ck all.
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Post by Epic Z on Dec 31, 2013 7:23:34 GMT -5
If Hogan never went to WCW If Bret never left left WWE If DX never happened would WCW of won the war? What if SCSA stayed in ECW or WCW? What if Brock never left WWE what if Jeff Hardy never left WWE in 09
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Post by HalfBlackRazorback on Dec 31, 2013 8:39:12 GMT -5
What about Mr Perfect. If he doesn't have that bad back injury I believe he might have gotten the push that Bret Hart was handed. He was a charismatic a Shawn Michaels and was a awesome technician. If he doesn't get hurt the sky was the limit. IMO that's unlikely BUT not impossible.if Hennig had been healthy & competing in 1992 God only knows what would have happened but I still say Hart would have got the push. I also heavily dispute the use of the term "handed" here.I don't believe Hart was handed anything.his run as IC champ was very well received.his 2nd run which started with a excellent victory over Piper was great too. then he CARRIED Smiths drugged up assh*le all around Wembley Stadium @ Summerslam 1992.why Smith felt the need to p*ss on his chips in this manner astounds me.it was his big moment in the sun......and by association Brets too. 1)he was in front of a rabid home crowd 2)he was en route to his first major singles title AND the World Title match was bumped for his moment 3)he was wrestling his brother in law whom he had proven chemistry with. it should have been one of THE greatest matches EVER.now...it was good because of Harts ability,in ring awareness and psychology.....Hart saved Summerslam 1992. he was "handed" f*ck all. Wow don't get all worked up I didn't use handed with negative intents. I just used it . There is a story and Brett acknowledges it in his book but doesn't go into great detail. The wwe was considering handing the belt to Him , Tito Santana , or curt Hennig. Now before you say Tito Santana? It was rumored that they thought Tito Santana would increase their Spanish viewers. Circa Alberto del rio in 2012. They fed wanted someone who didn't look gassed up to have the belt . If you remember they turned perfect face around the same time. The chose to go with Brett. Not a bad choice however I still think if Hennig isn't already damaged goods he could of done an awesome job as a champ. Because he was more charismatic then Brett and just as good if not better IMO in the ring. Have a happy new year my friend.
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Post by ricflair4ever on Dec 31, 2013 10:20:28 GMT -5
I'm gonna go with strictly guys who never got a world title run in wwf/wcw.
1. Magnum TA- would've been JCPs answer to Hogan. If he really could have been that and changed the landscape of wrestling in the late 80s,we'll sadly never know.
2. Waylon Mercy- Gimmick had a ton of potential and Dan Spivey was a great worker for a big guy. Obviously Vince was behind the gimmick as he's rehashed it,restructured it and made it into Bray Wyatt. Would love to have seen where it would have went heading into the attitude era with Spivey though.
3. Sean O Haire- Hard to believe they wasted this opportunity. Big guy,ripped physique, athletic,and a great gimmick that they flushed down the toilet after a solid build. I know he was injured in a motorcycle accident, but they could have used that to their advantage by bringing him back under the devils advocate gimmick a year later, rather than job him out a couple times and fire him.
4. Mr Kennedy- I didn't think he was ready for a world title run yet at the time of his release,but I felt a program with him chasing Orton for the belt in 09 would have been fresh. Especially since we got incredibly boring Orton/Batista and Orton/Cena angles instead. He had all the tools to play heel or face, depending on what Vince needed, and could have become one of THE top guys right now. But being so injury prone it would have taken a while for Vince to pull the trigger I feel. Its a shame certain "then stale/still stale" superstars got him canned.
5. Dan Severn- a stretch for some. But I think in 98 he was in a position to have been taken seriously if given the Lesnar push from 4 years later. People would have bought into him at least on the same level as Shamrock, if they would have put more thought into it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2013 10:37:08 GMT -5
IMO that's unlikely BUT not impossible.if Hennig had been healthy & competing in 1992 God only knows what would have happened but I still say Hart would have got the push. I also heavily dispute the use of the term "handed" here.I don't believe Hart was handed anything.his run as IC champ was very well received.his 2nd run which started with a excellent victory over Piper was great too. then he CARRIED Smiths drugged up assh*le all around Wembley Stadium @ Summerslam 1992.why Smith felt the need to p*ss on his chips in this manner astounds me.it was his big moment in the sun......and by association Brets too. 1)he was in front of a rabid home crowd 2)he was en route to his first major singles title AND the World Title match was bumped for his moment 3)he was wrestling his brother in law whom he had proven chemistry with. it should have been one of THE greatest matches EVER.now...it was good because of Harts ability,in ring awareness and psychology.....Hart saved Summerslam 1992. he was "handed" f*ck all. Wow don't get all worked up I didn't use handed with negative intents. I just used it . There is a story and Brett acknowledges it in his book but doesn't go into great detail. The wwe was considering handing the belt to Him , Tito Santana , or curt Hennig. Now before you say Tito Santana? It was rumored that they thought Tito Santana would increase their Spanish viewers. Circa Alberto del rio in 2012. They fed wanted someone who didn't look gassed up to have the belt . If you remember they turned perfect face around the same time. The chose to go with Brett. Not a bad choice however I still think if Hennig isn't already damaged goods he could of done an awesome job as a champ. Because he was more charismatic then Brett and just as good if not better IMO in the ring. Have a happy new year my friend. I wasn't getting worked up man.I rarely do.I was merely pointing out a series of events that in my view made hart the only choice for the job. I agree with you about Hennig as I said above.however I don't think he would have got it,he already had a history of discipline issues at this point.I still feel Vinnie made the correct decision. I also knew all about Santana and still cant believe he was seriously considering that move.I understand the logic but Santana had been looking at the lights in virtually every big match he had been in for 4 years at this point.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2013 11:13:19 GMT -5
What about Mr Perfect. If he doesn't have that bad back injury I believe he might have gotten the push that Bret Hart was handed. He was a charismatic a Shawn Michaels and was a awesome technician. If he doesn't get hurt the sky was the limit. Hennig had a drug problem though, and didn't have the fans behind him like Bret either. The first 3 names I thought of... 1)Brock Lesnar- If he stays I seriously dont think Cena, Orton or Batista become as big as they did. 2)Magnum TA- The ideal "what could have been" guy. Had he stayed around it could have altered Flair, Luger & Sting career drastically. 3)Sting (in the WWF)- Sting signing with WWF in '92 I believe would have all but shut down Bret Hart & Shawn Michaels both as major singles stars. Putting "The WWF Machine" behind a guy like Sting would have shot him through the roof. I don't think there's a chance in hell that Sting's arrival would have squashed Bret as a star. The fans had loved him for YEARS, and always put on the best matches of the card. It may have taken a little longer to reach the title, but he would have got it. He was a 5 time WWF champion, and until they started the hot potato title switches he was the only guy that wasn't named "Hulk Hogan" to to get 5.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2013 11:17:17 GMT -5
Wow don't get all worked up I didn't use handed with negative intents. I just used it . There is a story and Brett acknowledges it in his book but doesn't go into great detail. The wwe was considering handing the belt to Him , Tito Santana , or curt Hennig. Now before you say Tito Santana? It was rumored that they thought Tito Santana would increase their Spanish viewers. Circa Alberto del rio in 2012. They fed wanted someone who didn't look gassed up to have the belt . If you remember they turned perfect face around the same time. The chose to go with Brett. Not a bad choice however I still think if Hennig isn't already damaged goods he could of done an awesome job as a champ. Because he was more charismatic then Brett and just as good if not better IMO in the ring. Have a happy new year my friend. I wasn't getting worked up man.I rarely do.I was merely pointing out a series of events that in my view made hart the only choice for the job. I agree with you about Hennig as I said above.however I don't think he would have got it,he already had a history of discipline issues at this point.I still feel Vinnie made the correct decision. I also knew all about Santana and still cant believe he was seriously considering that move.I understand the logic but Santana had been looking at the lights in virtually every big match he had been in for 4 years at this point. Yeah there's absolutely NO way Vince was going to pass up on Bret (or The Undertaker) to put the title on someone who had been jobbing in the opening match on the card for the last several years. And despite Hennig being extremely talented and charismatic, he lacked the chemistry with different sized opponents that Bret had. There's a reason that his best work was done with Bret. That being said, who didn't do their best work against Bret lol.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2013 11:41:03 GMT -5
Mr. Perfect could and should have been champion in 1993 even if only for a short time as I've stated numerous times. That is just my opinion though.
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Post by HalfBlackRazorback on Dec 31, 2013 12:32:20 GMT -5
I wasn't getting worked up man.I rarely do.I was merely pointing out a series of events that in my view made hart the only choice for the job. I agree with you about Hennig as I said above.however I don't think he would have got it,he already had a history of discipline issues at this point.I still feel Vinnie made the correct decision. I also knew all about Santana and still cant believe he was seriously considering that move.I understand the logic but Santana had been looking at the lights in virtually every big match he had been in for 4 years at this point. Yeah there's absolutely NO way Vince was going to pass up on Bret (or The Undertaker) to put the title on someone who had been jobbing in the opening match on the card for the last several years. And despite Hennig being extremely talented and charismatic, he lacked the chemistry with different sized opponents that Bret had. There's a reason that his best work was done with Bret. That being said, who didn't do their best work against Bret lol. I do believe perfect had a good run vs hogan and Luger . Perfect was great or should I say " absolutely perfect " lol
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Post by HalfBlackRazorback on Dec 31, 2013 12:34:57 GMT -5
If I could rebook wwe there is two times a Hennig run would of worked. Royal rumble 1991 he beats warrior with help from savage or wrestlemania 9 he beats Brett setting up a rematch which would of been great at summerslam 93 thus excusing fans from the god awful summer of Luger we all had to endure
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2013 12:42:39 GMT -5
If I could rebook wwe there is two times a Hennig run would of worked. Royal rumble 1991 he beats warrior with help from savage or wrestlemania 9 he beats Brett setting up a rematch which would of been great at summerslam 93 thus excusing fans from the god awful summer of Luger we all had to endure I was just about to reply to the comment you left before this, but you hit the nail on the head with the first part of this. Mr Perfect should have been the guy that dropped the title to Hogan at WM7. No one cared about Slaughter by Wrestlemania and Perfect would have given Hogan a MUCH better match. Plus they never had the big payoff to their feud either. Him beating Bret at WM9 isn't a good idea though. Vince was grooming Bret as the next star, if someone who is essentially very similar to him beat him it would have really confused things. The only reason Bret even lost was to set up Hogan vs. Bret at Summerslam for the title with Bret going over. Yoko never would have even got the title if Hogan hadn't been devious. Luger should have got the title at SS93 though, Vince put so much into him that having him win the match by count out just killed his stock. No matter what some people believe, Luger was insanely over leading into that match. He never recovered until he got back to WCW.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2013 12:59:41 GMT -5
Randy Savage wins 1993 Royal Rumble
Wrestlemania 9: Bret Hart retains against Randy Savage Hulk Hogan defeats Yokozuna Mr. Perfect and Lex Luger have a draw
King of the Ring: Mr. Perfect defeats Bret Hart for WWF title Yokozuna defeats Hulk Hogan and sends him packing Lex Luger wins King of the Ring tournament
Summerslam: Bret Hart defeats Mr. Perfect and regains WWF title Lex Luger defeats Randy Savage Undertaker defeats Yokozuna
Survivor Series: Bret Hart defeats Lex Luger Yokozuna defeats Undertaker Shawn Michaels defeats Mr. Perfect
This way Luger and Yokozuna are both pushed as heels which were much needed in 1993. Luger still gets pushed without the pro-USA crap and we get Savage/Bret at Mania. Also, Perfect gets a short run with the title and Yokozuna feuds with Undertaker for something to do until getting a title shot at Royal Rumble 1994. Mr. Perfect also helps put over HBK at the end of the year for an eventual push in 1994.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2013 13:23:15 GMT -5
Randy Savage wins 1993 Royal Rumble Wrestlemania 9: Bret Hart retains against Randy Savage Hulk Hogan defeats Yokozuna Mr. Perfect and Lex Luger have a draw King of the Ring: Mr. Perfect defeats Bret Hart for WWF title Yokozuna defeats Hulk Hogan and sends him packing Lex Luger wins King of the Ring tournament Summerslam: Bret Hart defeats Mr. Perfect and regains WWF title Lex Luger defeats Randy Savage Undertaker defeats Yokozuna Survivor Series: Bret Hart defeats Lex Luger Yokozuna defeats Undertaker Shawn Michaels defeats Mr. Perfect This way Luger and Yokozuna are both pushed as heels which were much needed in 1993. Luger still gets pushed without the pro-USA crap and we get Savage/Bret at Mania. Also, Perfect gets a short run with the title and Yokozuna feuds with Undertaker for something to do until getting a title shot at Royal Rumble 1994. Mr. Perfect also helps put over HBK at the end of the year for an eventual push in 1994. I don't dislike that, but it kinda screws up the Owen/Bret feud.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2013 13:25:45 GMT -5
Randy Savage wins 1993 Royal Rumble Wrestlemania 9: Bret Hart retains against Randy Savage Hulk Hogan defeats Yokozuna Mr. Perfect and Lex Luger have a draw King of the Ring: Mr. Perfect defeats Bret Hart for WWF title Yokozuna defeats Hulk Hogan and sends him packing Lex Luger wins King of the Ring tournament Summerslam: Bret Hart defeats Mr. Perfect and regains WWF title Lex Luger defeats Randy Savage Undertaker defeats Yokozuna Survivor Series: Bret Hart defeats Lex Luger Yokozuna defeats Undertaker Shawn Michaels defeats Mr. Perfect This way Luger and Yokozuna are both pushed as heels which were much needed in 1993. Luger still gets pushed without the pro-USA crap and we get Savage/Bret at Mania. Also, Perfect gets a short run with the title and Yokozuna feuds with Undertaker for something to do until getting a title shot at Royal Rumble 1994. Mr. Perfect also helps put over HBK at the end of the year for an eventual push in 1994. I don't dislike that, but it kinda screws up the Owen/Bret feud. Yoko could go over Bret at Royal Rumble 1994 due to...botched Owen interference or something and we could still get Bret vs. Owen at Wrestlemania X. Or Hell, Bret and Owen could start a feud leading to Royal Rumble 1994 where they tag against Yoko and Crush and lets say Owen gets pissed he didn't get tagged in just like the match with Quebeccers and turns on Bret.
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Post by knupmc on Dec 31, 2013 13:27:30 GMT -5
Lesnar.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2013 13:30:22 GMT -5
I don't dislike that, but it kinda screws up the Owen/Bret feud. Yoko could go over Bret at Royal Rumble 1994 due to...botched Owen interference or something and we could still get Bret vs. Owen at Wrestlemania X. Maybe Luger defeats Bret at Survivor Series due to Owen screwing Bret over. Luger heads into WM as champion (after defeating Undertaker at RR) -- Bret wins Rumble and defeats Luger at WMX. We get Bret/Owen at Summerslam and then Survivor Series where Neidhart throws in the towel on Bret and Owen wins instead of Backlund -- Then drops it to Diesel a few days later.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2013 13:44:45 GMT -5
Yoko could go over Bret at Royal Rumble 1994 due to...botched Owen interference or something and we could still get Bret vs. Owen at Wrestlemania X. Maybe Luger defeats Bret at Survivor Series due to Owen screwing Bret over. Luger heads into WM as champion (after defeating Undertaker at RR) -- Bret wins Rumble and defeats Luger at WMX. We get Bret/Owen at Summerslam and then Survivor Series where Neidhart throws in the towel on Bret and Owen wins instead of Backlund -- Then drops it to Diesel a few days later. Perfect. I like it.
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Post by instant classic on Dec 31, 2013 14:52:56 GMT -5
Brock, of course. though i believe cena still would have ascended to the top and JBL would have been the likely casualty (sadly).
Another is Christian in 2005.. What if Vince decided to listen to the people and make christian into the big time star he could have been at the time? Would the SD main even scene suck for the next 3 years? probably not.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2013 20:02:41 GMT -5
Brock Lesnar and Ultimate Warrior. Lesnar would have been the MAN to this day had he stayed and unlike Cena he was believable as the unstoppable top guy because look at him, he's a monster.
Had Warrior maintained his look and the whole steroid scandal/money problems with Vince never happened he would have been able to carry the company for a long time. I think Hogan helped to kill his career as well since Hogan probably knew he was the biggest threat to his spot. We saw how much Shawn Michael got away with and the way Warrior was basically thrown out just makes you think if Hogan had something to do with it.
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Post by Nivro™ on Jan 1, 2014 20:10:45 GMT -5
What about Mr Perfect. If he doesn't have that bad back injury I believe he might have gotten the push that Bret Hart was handed. He was a charismatic a Shawn Michaels and was a awesome technician. If he doesn't get hurt the sky was the limit. Hennig had a drug problem though, and didn't have the fans behind him like Bret either. The first 3 names I thought of... 1)Brock Lesnar- If he stays I seriously dont think Cena, Orton or Batista become as big as they did. 2)Magnum TA- The ideal "what could have been" guy. Had he stayed around it could have altered Flair, Luger & Sting career drastically. 3)Sting (in the WWF)- Sting signing with WWF in '92 I believe would have all but shut down Bret Hart & Shawn Michaels both as major singles stars. Putting "The WWF Machine" behind a guy like Sting would have shot him through the roof. I don't think there's a chance in hell that Sting's arrival would have squashed Bret as a star. The fans had loved him for YEARS, and always put on the best matches of the card. It may have taken a little longer to reach the title, but he would have got it. He was a 5 time WWF champion, and until they started the hot potato title switches he was the only guy that wasn't named "Hulk Hogan" to to get 5. Sting became a big star in what was basically no mans land. Sticking him in the WWE with no legit top names around anymore (like Hogan, Warrior & Savage) plus having the WWF Machine behind him....Bret might have had a few title reigns but "the man" of the company would have been Sting hands down.
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