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Post by Epic Z on Jan 10, 2014 20:25:19 GMT -5
People have been saying "They won't make it another year" for the past 12 years dude. Also NXT of course is going to have more money and a larger roster considering its still WWE its just a developmental territory. Yeah they have for 12 years, the difference being that 12 years ago their ratings were on the rise, but now the ratings have, for the first time in 7 years, fallen below a 1.00 for the average. It also isn't a good sign when they can't match their top guy's previous contract or when the guy who proposed the company has resigned from it without plans of retirement. There is a very high chance that it is a work and Jarrett and AJ are still in TNA, either way no one man is bigger than a company.
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Post by The Natural Eddy Valintino on Jan 10, 2014 20:41:30 GMT -5
Yeah they have for 12 years, the difference being that 12 years ago their ratings were on the rise, but now the ratings have, for the first time in 7 years, fallen below a 1.00 for the average. It also isn't a good sign when they can't match their top guy's previous contract or when the guy who proposed the company has resigned from it without plans of retirement. There is a very high chance that it is a work and Jarrett and AJ are still in TNA, either way no one man is bigger than a company. If I have to hear one more time about Jarrett/Styles leaving being a work, I'm gonna lose my mind. Can people PLEASE stop with the whole "This is most likely a work" bull crap. Just accept that Styles left because TNA couldn't give him what he wanted or he got sick of being in a company with barely any promise. Accept the fact that the founder left because he got sick of being involved with a failing company. If them leaving is "a work" and they do one day appear on TNA Impact, I will be the first one to kiss TNA's ass on a successful work. Until then, just drop the whole "this is a work" thing. You know what, I'm gonna say that Kaitlyn's release is only "a work" and that she will return one day on WWE TV and attack AJ Lee to resume their feud. Do I believe Kaitlyn's release is a work? No because WWE announced her leaving, same with TNA announcing that AJ left and that Jarrett resigned. You see the point I'm making here.
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Post by Dr. Mantis Toboggan MD on Jan 10, 2014 20:49:44 GMT -5
Yeah they have for 12 years, the difference being that 12 years ago their ratings were on the rise, but now the ratings have, for the first time in 7 years, fallen below a 1.00 for the average. It also isn't a good sign when they can't match their top guy's previous contract or when the guy who proposed the company has resigned from it without plans of retirement. There is a very high chance that it is a work and Jarrett and AJ are still in TNA, either way no one man is bigger than a company. I don't see it as a work at this point since AJ has signed with ROH and booked for two TV tapings, and Jarrett is supposedly planning to start a new Promotion with funding coming from Toby Keith. And again, their ratings average has fallen below a 1.00 for the first time in 7 years, that is a bad sign see as even on demand and DVR services aren't even making up half of what they've lost. They also went from going Live each week to going Live every other week to taping a month's worth of shows inside of two weeks. They also tried to get off the road and at this moment, it isn't happening.
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Post by Epic Z on Jan 10, 2014 20:49:44 GMT -5
There is a very high chance that it is a work and Jarrett and AJ are still in TNA, either way no one man is bigger than a company. If I have to hear one more time about Jarrett/Styles leaving being a work, I'm gonna lose my mind. Can people PLEASE stop with the whole "This is most likely a work" bull crap. Just accept that Styles left because TNA couldn't give him what he wanted or he got sick of being in a company with barely any promise. Accept the fact that the founder left because he got sick of being involved with a failing company. If them leaving is "a work" and they do one day appear on TNA Impact, I will be the first one to kiss TNA's ass on a successful work. Until then, just drop the whole "this is a work" thing. You know what, I'm gonna say that Kaitlyn's release is only "a work" and that she will return one day on WWE TV and attack AJ Lee to resume their feud. Do I believe Kaitlyn's release is a work? No because WWE announced her leaving, same with TNA announcing that AJ left and that Jarrett resigned. You see the point I'm making here. Each to there own, but I think its a work sorry. I that JJ is most likely done, but not AJ Styles.
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Jan 10, 2014 20:57:59 GMT -5
I WILL NOT get into a WWE vs. TNA debate. These turn into nonsensical bitter fights. What I will say is that my comment isnt directed at who has the better show or the better product. My comment is directed towards the fact that one is on cable television and the other is on an internet service. Cable vs. internet stream is much becoming the same battle as network vs. cable. Network television reaches more households than cable/satellite. Cable/satellite reaches more households than internet stream. In addition, cable streams do not have ratings. They are measured on buys. The only comparison data that might be available would be number of live streamers/all streamers vs. number of viewers for TNA. Oh really? You came in here and said NXT couldn't get (not that they just don't have) a TV deal. You have no idea on whether or not WWE tried to even get a TV deal for NXT in the US. So instead of trying to make a logical response you decided to make a snarky comment. I know cable streams don't have rating that is why I didn't put one for NXT. What I was saying is that IMPACT's ratings are already poo-poo so if WWE is going to be putting NXT up at the same time, the only thing that could happen is that Impact's ratings would go down and at the same not do much to NXT's views, no matter how significant or insignificant that viewership change may be. As you said it is a streaming program and it is more than likely to be on record in the on demand portion. No. My comment was directed towards WWE Network...NOT NXT or any other show specifically. I can see why you thought the former, but thats not what I was talking about.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2014 21:12:46 GMT -5
Just take my money for the network now!
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Post by The Yes Man on Jan 10, 2014 23:28:16 GMT -5
If I have to hear one more time about Jarrett/Styles leaving being a work, I'm gonna lose my mind. Can people PLEASE stop with the whole "This is most likely a work" bull crap. Just accept that Styles left because TNA couldn't give him what he wanted or he got sick of being in a company with barely any promise. Accept the fact that the founder left because he got sick of being involved with a failing company. If them leaving is "a work" and they do one day appear on TNA Impact, I will be the first one to kiss TNA's ass on a successful work. Until then, just drop the whole "this is a work" thing. You know what, I'm gonna say that Kaitlyn's release is only "a work" and that she will return one day on WWE TV and attack AJ Lee to resume their feud. Do I believe Kaitlyn's release is a work? No because WWE announced her leaving, same with TNA announcing that AJ left and that Jarrett resigned. You see the point I'm making here. Each to there own, but I think its a work sorry. I that JJ is most likely done, but not AJ Styles. AJ's being gone being a work would make sense if the following weren't in case.: Remember that message he sent out a few weeks ago? Why wouldn't he have done that before BFG when his storyline contract ran out? Or atleast after that episode where he was last seen before Spud invaded his house? Why would he do it in the middle of being gone? AJ is not under contract, and he may come back sometime, but it is not a work.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2014 23:29:07 GMT -5
Can't wait!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2014 23:48:39 GMT -5
TNA 2002-Awesome 2003-Awesome 2004-Awesome 2005-Awesome 2006-Great 2007-Ok 2008-Incredible 2009-Great 2010-Awesome 2011-Good 2012-Fading 2013-Bad 2014-CRAP I think NXT Wins by a longshot!
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Post by Falconsinclair on Jan 11, 2014 0:02:33 GMT -5
Hilarious. One is on REAL tv. The other couldnt get a tv deal and is stuck as a stream only. NXT has a TV deal with almost every country the WWE is available in, except for the US. And if we are going to take that route: NXT:- Has a reserved area for tapings - Having its first live show soon - Showcasing the future stars - Isn't available on TV in the US - Is available on TV in other countries - Has a larger roster - Has a larger women's division TNA:- Has been forced back onto the road - Gone from having every show Live to every other show Live to having every show taped 1-4 weeks ahead of time - Is available on TV in the US - Is available in other countries - Is the highest rated show (with an average N. Rating of .98 for 2013) on Spike - Has had their lowest average N. Rating since 2006 - Couldn't resign their top talent - Founding Father resigned - More than likely isn't going to be around much longer (don't not bring up that BS that they have unlimited funding from Panda Energy, they don't) Who gives a damn if it is only streamed in the US, at least it isn't a failing promotion that may not even last a year. These are some very good points. I think the utter decline of the ECW brand really hurt the chances NXT had as becoming a replacement show. Pitching a show as a "development show" primarily featuring guys and gals that the common fan doesn't know probably wasn't a great selling point for most networks. I think NXT was only kept in international markets due to contracts that were already in place before FCW was re-branded into NXT. Other than once or twice a month (on average) the show rarely features a "WWE Roster member" As for TNA, when I read that Jeff Jarrett had left the promotion I truly realized the problems they are facing. Since the companies beginning Jeff Jarrett has bleed TNA colors. Even though he is still apparently and "investor" in the company I can see him selling his interest in the company and trying to start over somewhere else. With the WWE looking to sell all their TV properties, probably to one or two networks tops. I can see Spike really pushing to bring the WWE back to their network. Mind you I can't see WWE bringing Spike the numbers they did when they were on the network before, but if the WWE keeps their current Raw & Smackdown ratings it will be a HUGE boost for Spike compared to what TNA is bringing them. And if Spike doesn't want TNA anymore I can't see any other network investing in a program that has been in steady decline where ratings are concerned. Sadly Dixie's little tax deduction is probably on it's last legs, especially if Spike makes a serious play for the WWE and brings them back to the network.
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Post by Jaz on Jan 11, 2014 1:14:19 GMT -5
TNA is a joke. And they have been a joke for quite some time. But you'll always have people that will stick up for them no matter what they do.
I'd way rather watch NXT.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2014 1:17:27 GMT -5
TNA 2002-Awesome 2003-Awesome 2004-Awesome 2005-Awesome 2006-Great 2007-Ok 2008-Incredible 2009-Great 2010-Awesome 2011-Good 2012-Fading 2013-Bad 2014-CRAP I think NXT Wins by a longshot! I think 2010 is when it started to get bad really. Only thing that kept me watching all these years is nostalgia and Jeff Hardy. Shame I used to believe in TNA back in the day, but it will always be where it is.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2014 1:46:47 GMT -5
Hilarious. One is on REAL tv. The other couldnt get a tv deal and is stuck as a stream only. Exactly. Impact will be much more accessible than NXT.
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Post by Jack on Jan 11, 2014 1:53:55 GMT -5
Personally, I will watch TNA. It will be one off the Impacts recorded in the UK, which are always the better impacts.
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Post by Dr. Mantis Toboggan MD on Jan 11, 2014 1:58:58 GMT -5
NXT has a TV deal with almost every country the WWE is available in, except for the US. And if we are going to take that route: NXT:- Has a reserved area for tapings - Having its first live show soon - Showcasing the future stars - Isn't available on TV in the US - Is available on TV in other countries - Has a larger roster - Has a larger women's division TNA:- Has been forced back onto the road - Gone from having every show Live to every other show Live to having every show taped 1-4 weeks ahead of time - Is available on TV in the US - Is available in other countries - Is the highest rated show (with an average N. Rating of .98 for 2013) on Spike - Has had their lowest average N. Rating since 2006 - Couldn't resign their top talent - Founding Father resigned - More than likely isn't going to be around much longer (don't not bring up that BS that they have unlimited funding from Panda Energy, they don't) Who gives a damn if it is only streamed in the US, at least it isn't a failing promotion that may not even last a year. These are some very good points. I think the utter decline of the ECW brand really hurt the chances NXT had as becoming a replacement show. Pitching a show as a "development show" primarily featuring guys and gals that the common fan doesn't know probably wasn't a great selling point for most networks. I think NXT was only kept in international markets due to contracts that were already in place before FCW was re-branded into NXT. Other than once or twice a month (on average) the show rarely features a "WWE Roster member" As for TNA, when I read that Jeff Jarrett had left the promotion I truly realized the problems they are facing. Since the companies beginning Jeff Jarrett has bleed TNA colors. Even though he is still apparently and "investor" in the company I can see him selling his interest in the company and trying to start over somewhere else. With the WWE looking to sell all their TV properties, probably to one or two networks tops. I can see Spike really pushing to bring the WWE back to their network. Mind you I can't see WWE bringing Spike the numbers they did when they were on the network before, but if the WWE keeps their current Raw & Smackdown ratings it will be a HUGE boost for Spike compared to what TNA is bringing them. And if Spike doesn't want TNA anymore I can't see any other network investing in a program that has been in steady decline where ratings are concerned. Sadly Dixie's little tax deduction is probably on it's last legs, especially if Spike makes a serious play for the WWE and brings them back to the network. I honestly think WWE gives a crap about Spike at this point. Spike's programming has some of the lowest ratings on network TV. As I said Impact, with an average N. Rating of .98, is Spike's Highest Rated show. Spike is honestly probably backing Impact more than Panda Energy at this point.
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Post by Planktung on Jan 11, 2014 2:02:09 GMT -5
NXT Live has me more excited than any other professional wrestling event in recent memory. Seriously cannot wait.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2014 3:28:46 GMT -5
nxt > tna
I'll be tuning into nxt that night.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Jan 11, 2014 5:34:25 GMT -5
Pretty funny move by WWE. Well TNA's contract is up this year so we'll see if they stay on "real" tv -- People have been saying that for years, since day 1 of TNA's existence. And today, TNA's rounding their 12th year on ACTUAL television (Wed. PPV's, FSN, Spike)... longer than ECW existed, and not far behind how long WCW existed. They've done well to survive this long. But now they can't afford to keep their big names (or even smaller/mid-level names like AJ Styles) around, and they're losing $600,000 on taping the shows in arenas with no fans... It's only a matter of time unless they can turn things around. I like Derrick Bateman, but when you're a national/international promotion and he's one of your top stars, you're in trouble.
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Post by That 80s Guy on Jan 11, 2014 10:45:18 GMT -5
Pretty funny move by WWE. -- People have been saying that for years, since day 1 of TNA's existence. And today, TNA's rounding their 12th year on ACTUAL television (Wed. PPV's, FSN, Spike)... longer than ECW existed, and not far behind how long WCW existed. They've done well to survive this long. But now they can't afford to keep their big names (or even smaller/mid-level names like AJ Styles) around, and they're losing $600,000 on taping the shows in arenas with no fans... It's only a matter of time unless they can turn things around. I like Derrick Bateman, but when you're a national/international promotion and he's one of your top stars, you're in trouble. -- "smaller/mid-level names like AJ Styles"... You haven't tuned into the show lately, have you.. These big names, TNA are letting go of, is for a reason: TNA is in the midst of creating the "next generation" if you will. TNA did fine before the big stars came in, and being the #1 company throughout the rest of the world (in the U.S., they're obviously #2.. since American fans here tend to be morons, but that's neither here nor there) - add to the fact that The Carters are multi-BILLIONaires... TNA's in pretty safe hands. "arenas with no fans"... So every taping of IMPACT consists of Empty Arena Matches..? Interesting. And if you will, explain to me why Derrick "EC3" Bateman, can't be the future of the company. Hmm?
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Post by punksnotdead on Jan 11, 2014 11:16:37 GMT -5
Hilarious. One is on REAL tv. The other couldnt get a tv deal and is stuck as a stream only. Well TNA's contract is up this year so we'll see if they stay on "real" tv No it isn't. Where did you get that informal? TNA signed a multiyear deal with Spike in 2012. They are less than 2 years into that deal.
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