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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Jan 20, 2014 17:48:37 GMT -5
So I am watching KOTR 95, and my God is it brutal. I mean, I knew it was brutal even at age 14 when I watched it live, but to re-watch it years later, I thought I would find some good in it, but no. It's bad.
It seems the guys who should have been in the KOTR tournament - weren't. So with that being said, how would everyone here re-book the KOTR??
For me, the tournament would have looked like this....
Razor Ramon vs. Jeff Jarrett
winner: Razor Ramon
Shawn Michaels vs. Kama
winner: Shawn Michaels
Mabel vs. Undertaker
winner: Mabel
Tatanka vs. Bam Bam Bigelow
winner: Bam Bam Bigelow
Then for the 2nd round have...
Razor Ramon vs. Shawn Michaels
winner: Shawn Michaels
Mabel vs. Bam Bam Bigelow
winner: Mabel
Finals
Shawn Michaels vs. Mabel
KOTR winner: Shawn Michaels
I would have kept Bret vs. Lawler in the Kiss My Foot Match, and Diesel vs. Sid would have been for the WWE Title, thus ending that feud right then. I also would have Bulldog & Luger vs. Owen & Yoko at this show for the Tag Titles, and have Bulldog and Luger win by disqualification or count out. So they can continue their tag feud.
I still like Mabel going to the finals, I just don't ever think he should have won. To have HBK come back, and beat Bundy to get into the KOTR tourny, then beat Kama, then finally get a win over Razor (they'd clearly shake hands at the end of the match, like Perfect/Bret did at KOTR 93) and then to see HBK topple Mabel, would be a great way to build him as a future WWE Champion.
So how would everyone else re-book the KOTR 95??
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Post by Revy on Jan 20, 2014 18:25:56 GMT -5
Honestly, you would think with the "pull" the Kliq had, one of them would have went over, but I guess they needed to build a heel opponent for Diesel. Since I am a huge HBK fan, of course I was wanting him to go over, but he still saved face in that match.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2014 20:17:39 GMT -5
You still put Mabel in the finals? Wtf?
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Post by Hem-Ridge on Jan 20, 2014 20:42:29 GMT -5
You still put Mabel in the finals? Wtf? I know what you mean, but remember, the OP's favourite year in WWE is 1995. I mean sure it's his opinion, but I have to say giving Mabel a push is & was a very big & dangerous mistake. It's also a bit strange how I was thinking the other day how they could've rebooked the 1995 KOTR, okay I haven't bothered looking up who participated, but yeah, Mabel should never have gotten close to even the 2nd round, let alone winning the tournament. |
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Post by mikey1974 on Jan 20, 2014 20:46:07 GMT -5
I would've had Bam Bam win the tournament,and set up a match with Diesel at SummerSlam, face vs face for the WWF Championship. Michaels didn't need the rub by winning the Tournament. he was already on his way up.and Taker certainly didn't. I do like your brackett's, though. I would've kept the first round and winners the same.then,in the second round :
Razor Ramon over Shawn Michaels - Razor uses a little bit of cheating,maybe grabbing some tights, and the announcers play up HBK not being able to beat Razor,setting up Michaels challenging Razor to one more match at Summerslam. Razor agrees,as long as it's a ladder match.
Bam Bam Bigelow over Mabel - Bam Bam wins via DQ when Mo intereferes after Bigelow hits the flying headbut an goes for the pin.
Bret Hart over Lawler in the Kiss My Foot match as we saw it.
Bam Bam over Razor in a close match. Razor shows heel tendencies after losing the KOTR Final for the 2nd year in a row.
Diesel over Sid via pinfall.
... I'd have the tag match that was originally here the next month at IYH. at some point,Bigelow and Diesel have the inevitable issues,and Sid and Tatanka sneak in the win when one accidentally hits the other. this leads to Bigelow challenging Diesel for the Belt at SummerSlam.
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Jan 20, 2014 22:25:49 GMT -5
You still put Mabel in the finals? Wtf? Mabel would be in the finals so HBK can pin a bigger person in the end to make himself look like an underdog. If HBK pinned a Jeff Jarrett or an Owen Hart, it wouldn't give him the underdog feel. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2014 23:02:05 GMT -5
You still put Mabel in the finals? Wtf? Mabel would be in the finals so HBK can pin a bigger person in the end to make himself look like an underdog. If HBK pinned a Jeff Jarrett or an Owen Hart, it wouldn't give him the underdog feel. So Mabel goes over Bam Bam? That doesn't make sense. Mabel is bigger than Bam Bam, but Bam Bam is stronger, more athletic and a better technician than Mabel. Plus he still has the size to make HBK a believable underdog, similar to Bret in the 1993 KofR finals. Either way, it's your world. I just think Mabel should have never been in the spot he was given in 1995. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2014 0:55:55 GMT -5
I'm gonna rebook this ish.
I'm going to use the original brackets. Since Owen Hart and the British Bulldog wrestled to a time limit draw setting up the Lex Luger/Yokozuna match and then Razor Ramon couldn't compete after winning a qualifying match over Jacob Blu due to an injury, I'm removing the Ramon/Blu match and keeping the Luger/Yoko and Bulldog/Owen matches. The match between IRS and Savio Vega to determine Razor's replacement will be disregarded.
Round One
1. Mabel defeats Atom Bomb with a chokebomb at 5:43. Mabel is too big for Atom Bomb's power to be effective, and that's really all Atom Bomb has.
2. The Undertaker pins Jeff Jarrett following the Tombstone Piledriver at 12:24. A back and forth battle with 'Taker eventually taking the lead and the win.
3. Kama destroys Duke Droese in 2:34, pinning him following a Death Valley Driver.
4. Shawn Michaels defeats King Kong Bundy via count out at 9:34. Bundy dominates the match, ,but HBK is able to stay alive long enough to get the controversial win.
5. Spark Plug Holly rolls out of the way to avoid the Stampede splash by Mantaur and then goes for the quick cover for the pinfall at 5:54.
6. Doink the Clown pins the Roadie following the Whoopie Cushion at 4:35.
7. Owen Hart pins the British Bulldog with his feet on the ropes at 9:35 in a fast paced, competitive match.
8. Lex Luger defeats Yokozuna following a flying forearm smash at 14:53 to advance after a hard fought contest.
Round 2
1. The Undertaker pins Mabel with a chokeslam at 8:34.
2. Shawn Michaels pins Kama with the Sweet Chin Music at 10:42.
3. Spark Plug Holly pins Doink the Clown with the Pit Stop Plunge at 4:35.
4. Lex Luger forces Owen Hart to submit with the human torture rack at 13:34.
Semi Finals
1. The Undertaker pins Shawn Michaels at 14:53 following the Tombstone Piledriver.
2. Lex Luger forces Spark Plug Holly to submit with the human torture rack at 5:34.
Finals
The Undertaker pins Lex Luger at 14:34 following the Tombstone Piledriver.
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Jan 21, 2014 2:27:42 GMT -5
Mabel would be in the finals so HBK can pin a bigger person in the end to make himself look like an underdog. If HBK pinned a Jeff Jarrett or an Owen Hart, it wouldn't give him the underdog feel. So Mabel goes over Bam Bam? That doesn't make sense. Mabel is bigger than Bam Bam, but Bam Bam is stronger, more athletic and a better technician than Mabel. Plus he still has the size to make HBK a believable underdog, similar to Bret in the 1993 KofR finals. Either way, it's your world. I just think Mabel should have never been in the spot he was given in 1995. Um.... you do realize that wrestling isn't real, right?? It doesn't matter if Bam Bam is more agile or athletic than Mabel, the fact that Mabel is a huge beast and HBK is a small underdog would make the match work. Plus, Bigelow just turned face. To have him wrestle HBK who just came back as a face would confuse the fans in Vince's eyes. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2014 2:42:08 GMT -5
So Mabel goes over Bam Bam? That doesn't make sense. Mabel is bigger than Bam Bam, but Bam Bam is stronger, more athletic and a better technician than Mabel. Plus he still has the size to make HBK a believable underdog, similar to Bret in the 1993 KofR finals. Either way, it's your world. I just think Mabel should have never been in the spot he was given in 1995. Um.... you do realize that wrestling isn't real, right?? It doesn't matter if Bam Bam is more agile or athletic than Mabel, the fact that Mabel is a huge beast and HBK is a small underdog would make the match work. Plus, Bigelow just turned face. To have him wrestle HBK who just came back as a face would confuse the fans in Vince's eyes. I assumed that since we were hypothetically rebooking a card that took place 18 and a half years ago that we were doing so using kayfabe. Also, since we are apparently using reality as a basis for this tournament, Shawn couldn't finally get his win over Razor and then shake his hand because Razor was injured earlier in the month in a ladder match against Jeff Jarrett. Furthermore, who says Bam Bam has to go heel for his match with Shawn? You're having face Razor vs. face Shawn and this doesn't confuse the fans, so how does face Bam Bam vs. face Shawn? Bam Bam would develop a higher profile as a face by losing a close match to Shawn after a grueling match with Mabel where he is obviously the underdog. So you have two faces with huge underdog wins as opposed to just one. Seems like a no-brainer to me. Why build one character when you can easily build two? |
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Post by China Claus on Jan 21, 2014 3:00:02 GMT -5
Mabel must have been a decent worker, or the WWE wouldn't have used him sporadically well into the late '00's. And as someone said above, Diesel needed another monster to establish his dominance at the time.
The WWF was definitely in a transitional period at the time. They were losing money(I think I've heard '95 was one of their worst years) and were slowly building upon Michaels' growing popularity.
1995 is one of my favorite wrestling years, and I believe the KOTR '95 had a lot to live up to, especially looking back now, since it followed Bret and Owen's KOTR win, and preceded Steve Austin's historic showing at the event.
Maybe I would just rather rebook KOTR '94, as I feel that was the inferior PPV.....at least from my point of view......
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Post by | NLS™ | on Jan 21, 2014 3:29:17 GMT -5
I would've replaced Big Daddy V with British Bulldog and he would've won that sum bitch too!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2014 7:37:40 GMT -5
I'd have had Bam Bam win the KOTR.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2014 9:19:02 GMT -5
It's sh*t.
I understand them wanting to make a new top heel for Diesel to face but...
Why Mabel?
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Post by LeighD on Jan 21, 2014 9:52:03 GMT -5
Looking back, the 1995 KOTR might have been the best time to have Bulldog win it and turn heel. I would have much rather seen Diesel vs. Bulldog at SummerSlam than Diesel vs. Mabel.
But if I had to re-book 1995 KOTR:
Diesel vs. Sid - WWF Title
Bret Hart vs. Jerry Lawler - Kiss My Foot Match
Lex Luger & Bulldog vs. Owen Hart & Yokozuna - Tag Team Titles
KOTR Tournament
The Undertaker vs. Mabel
Shawn Michaels vs. Kama
Jeff Jarrett vs. Bob Holly
Bam Bam Bigelow vs. Tatanka
Bam Bam Bigelow wins tournament with a win over Mabel.
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Diesel vs. Sid - WWF Title
Bret Hart vs. Jerry Lawler - Kiss My Foot Match
Smoking Gunns vs. Owen Hart & Yokozuna - Tag Team Titles
Bam Bam Bigelow vs. Jeff Jarrett - IC Title
KOTR Tournament
The Undertaker vs. Mabel
Lex Luger vs. Kama
Roadie vs. Bob Holly
Bulldog vs. Tatanka
Bulldog wins tournament with a win over Luger. During the course of the match, Jim Cornette comes down to ringside and slightly helps turn the match in Bulldog's favor. After Bulldog wins, turns full heel and beats down Luger
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2014 12:20:26 GMT -5
bam bam would never have turned face in 1995-there were already too many faces.
Bret
HBK
Undertaker
Diesel
Razor
Bulldog
Luger
he would have won KOTR 1995(beating Hall in the finals) and challenged Diesel at Summerslam 1995.
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Post by cordless2016 on Jan 21, 2014 23:27:57 GMT -5
If Diesel remains a face then give it to Bam Bam. I think they could have worked well together.
If Diesel was heel (I think we all would have preferred that) I'd have given it to Luger. That way HBK stays away from Diesel while he was being built up and we save Bret/Diesel for the fall. A KOTR win would have given Luger the shot in the arm he needed and given a heel Diesel someone different to fight. This feud could also carry the WWF Title through the summer and then Luger could jump to WCW following SummerSlam like he did.
As I've said in the past had Razor not had his personal problems and was trustworthy I still believe that he would have rivaled Bret as the top face in the company. In '94 Razor was over like crazy and I still believe that he would have received the WWF Title over Diesel had Vince been able to trust him. Its sad when Razor's problems were so bad that he made HBK look like a saint. This is also the reason I don't consider him a candidate for winning the KOTR.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2014 1:33:42 GMT -5
bam bam would never have turned face in 1995-there were already too many faces.Bret HBK Undertaker Diesel Razor BulldogLuger he would have won KOTR 1995(beating Hall in the finals) and challenged Diesel at Summerslam 1995. Bam Bam was a face in 1995. In fact, he was Diesel's partner in the main event of KOTR 95 against Tatanka and Sid. Also, Bulldog was being teased for a heel turn. He fully turned in August when he attacked Diesel with Men on a Mission. |
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Post by slappy on Jan 22, 2014 5:10:27 GMT -5
Kama beats HBK
Roadie beats Holly
Taker beats Mabel
Yoko beats Savio
Kama beats Roadie
Taker and Yoko ends in a double count-out
Dibiase crowns Kama the King of the Ring because he has no opponent in the finals. Vince goes crazy on commentary about how unfair it is and asks where Jack Tunney is to make an official decision. Tunney never appears so Dibiase and Kama celebrate.
The next night on Raw Vince interviews Dibiase and Kama about the King of the Ring. Dibiase goes on about how great Kama is and how he'll defeat Diesel at SummerSlam for the WWF Championship. Vince says not so fast, Jack Tunney hasn't made an official ruling about what happened the previous night so Kama may not be the challenger at SummerSlam.
Dibiase laughs and informs Vince that everybody has a price including Jack Tunney. Vince is confused. Dibiase announces there is a new WWF President. Vince wonders who it is. Dibiase reveals he is the new President. He has bought the Presidency from Jack Tunney and his first official act as President is certifying the results of the King of the Ring and makes Kama vs Diesel official for SummerSlam. Vince says this is a new low for Dibiase, how Dibiase has tried devious things in the past to obtain the WWF title but this is the worst thing he's ever done.
Since we're just booking the KOTR, I won't try to book the rest of the Ted Dibiase Presidency.
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Post by mikey1974 on Jan 22, 2014 7:03:36 GMT -5
keeping Bigelow a face and having go against a face Diesel wasn't out of the question. 1995 was full of Face vs Face matches:
Diesel vs Bret Hart - twice
Shawn Michaels vs Razor Ramon
Smoking Gunns vs 1-2-3 Kid and Bob Holly - twice
you had Face's and Heels on the same team in that one Survivor Series match facing off against another team of Face's and Heel's.
Smoking Gunns vs 1-2-3 Kid and Razor Ramon
so it wouldn't have been out of the question for them to face off,even if Bigelow still became a face.
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