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Post by Bandalero on May 15, 2014 7:09:34 GMT -5
Late to the game I know, but I'm about halfway through "The Hardcore Truth: The Bob Holly Story" and I've got to say that this book lives up to all the hype I've read so far.
Now Bob Holly was not on my fan radar that's for sure. I knew he was a good worker and had a reputation of being an enforcer in the locker room and that he worked stiff a lot. But man I'm learning a lot of things already:
* his work ethic from a young age - seriously this guy had at least two jobs all his career AND wrestled.
* hearing about his first run-in with Flair and the etiquette of thanking your opponent backstage after a match which Flair didn't bother to do. Ahh just Naitch being Naitch.
* The whole offering veterans first class seats when you've earned a bump up from coach. It's intriguing to see these cultural nuances from folks within the business.
* how poorly mid-card and jobbers get paid in a multi-million dollar (at the time) company like the WWF - $50 per TV show match!? Seriously? $2000 cheque months later from a PPV?!! I want to believe these guys get a lot more money nowadays considering the main eventers collect half a million+ paydays.
* I didn't know Randy Savage was pissed off at Shawn & Razor for that famous ladder match that they purposely went overtime and robbed other guys from a payday. I really hated the clique back then, and that sorta stuff really reinforces it. Plus I've gained a whole other level of respect for Savage for stepping up like that. I don't care how great a performer HBK is, the stuff he pulled in the mid-90s was completely wrong.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2014 7:16:51 GMT -5
Yes
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2014 8:52:16 GMT -5
Nah.
F*ck Bob Holly. I can't stand that guy.
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Post by Midnight on May 15, 2014 8:58:57 GMT -5
Sounds interesting
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2014 9:26:19 GMT -5
I thought it was a good read, I thought.
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Post by Himmy! on May 15, 2014 9:41:39 GMT -5
Not a fan of his at all, in fact I dislike his bullying a great deal. Interesting points though.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2014 12:17:57 GMT -5
Havent read it yet.....BUT I dislike Holly & JBL a great deal and still want to see what he has to say for himself.
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Post by Bandalero on May 15, 2014 13:10:04 GMT -5
Holly definitely is a polarizing figure for sure - I too read about his reputation as a bully but what's coming to the surface in what I've read so far is "loyalty. The guy was fiercely loyal, when Vince pulled the plug on his WWE-sponsored racing, he sold all the cars/equipment to Holly for $100 and accordingly to Holly didn't even bother to take the $100 out of his paycheck - so that's a big reason why he was one of those enforcers for Vince. And when Hall & Nash jumped ship to WCW Holly was pissed even though he hated the Clique because there was no loyalty. What I didn't know was how pissed Randy Savage and Sid Vicious were about the Clique too. HBK would tear up his meal cards nightly at a hotel so he wouldn't be served any food, real childish stuff like that.
I don't think he has anything to gain by making this stuff up. The Clique shenanigans were well known, but it's when they only wanted to work with each other for the bigger payday that then starts to hurt the livelihood of the rest of the roster.
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Post by Revy on May 15, 2014 13:21:59 GMT -5
Nash went to Vince and told him the offer and told Vince he wanted to stay. He asked Vince to match the offer and Vince couldn't. I don't blame Nash or Hall for going to WCW. In the end, it was one of, if not the greatest period for wrestling. Had they never jumped to WCW, I seriously doubt the NWO would have been as popular as it was had they not been the ones pushing it. Nash stated in multiple interviews that he had a baby on the way and a lot of guaranteed money sounded much better than being paid for where you were on the card and if you were on a PPV.
As for the Kliq. Yeah, they were bungholes and did a lot of stuff to make sure they got over, but they also did positive things for the business. It was Shawn and Hunter that kept pushing to do the more "attitude" type stuff and Vince finally said lets go that direction. DId they screw guys over, probably, but I have also heard that even guys they disliked (BAM BAM Bigelow) they would try to get them involved because they were great workers and could draw money.
I read Holly's book as well and I found it to be a good book. However, on a lot of those stories, you will know that he wasn't there and it is from someone else's experience. There are always going to be different sides of the story. And of course a book that someone put out about themselves is going to make them look in the best light possible.
And as you can see in my signature, Im a Kliq fan, so take what I say however you want.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2014 13:25:51 GMT -5
All I know is that Kevin Nash popped another quad reading Bob's book.
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Post by Brad on May 16, 2014 6:45:48 GMT -5
No but I really want to. Same with Luger's
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Post by King Of Swing on Jun 12, 2014 8:17:50 GMT -5
Fantastic. A truly tremendous read.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2014 8:28:11 GMT -5
I've heard good things about it, and may do so eventually, but like JokerFC, don't like the fact that the guy was a bully backstage and WWF loyalist 'just because' - I guess Terry Taylor shoulders some of that blame too for insisting Grunge and Rock take a beating to show they're 'part of the locker room'...that being said, my favourite wrestling books are from guys who, shock horror, I actually enjoyed their work and became emotionally invested in - from Terry Funk to Bret Hart to Ric Flair (sorry @cabbageconkers) to Chris Jericho; so this one I;m not 100% sold on... |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2014 10:10:53 GMT -5
I genuinely find it hilarious how Nash has changed his story about jumping to WCW and everybody believes him.....I mean holy f*ck.
He was gone the minute he heard the term "sting money" and don't let anybody tell you any different. All of a sudden there's this story about how he wrang his hands and "didn't really want to go" when for years in shoots he said he couldn't wait to get clear when he heard
1)the difference in cash
2)the amount of dates he would be working
and he was right to do so. Vince was arrogant about Hall & Nash....and he got a good kick in the nuts for himself when they started something huge the way they did.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2014 10:21:15 GMT -5
I genuinely find it hilarious how Nash has changed his story about jumping to WCW and everybody believes him.....I mean holy f*ck. He was gone the minute he heard the term "sting money" and don't let anybody tell you any different. All of a sudden there's this story about how he wrang his hands and "didn't really want to go" when for years in shoots he said he couldn't wait to get clear when he heard 1)the difference in cash 2)the amount of dates he would be working and he was right to do so. Vince was arrogant about Hall & Nash....and he got a good kick in the nuts for himself when they started something huge the way they did. I do believe that he asked Vince to match the offer. He was in a good spot at the time so I don't see why he wouldn't have. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2014 10:32:18 GMT -5
I genuinely find it hilarious how Nash has changed his story about jumping to WCW and everybody believes him.....I mean holy f*ck. He was gone the minute he heard the term "sting money" and don't let anybody tell you any different. All of a sudden there's this story about how he wrang his hands and "didn't really want to go" when for years in shoots he said he couldn't wait to get clear when he heard 1)the difference in cash 2)the amount of dates he would be working and he was right to do so. Vince was arrogant about Hall & Nash....and he got a good kick in the nuts for himself when they started something huge the way they did. I do believe that he asked Vince to match the offer. He was in a good spot at the time so I don't see why he wouldn't have. Good spot yes......also very unhappy about payouts(according to him) His story has changed about this departure so many times I find it impossible to believe......and I like Nash. |
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Post by Next Man’s Yeeter on Jun 12, 2014 10:40:21 GMT -5
One of the best non-WWE wrestling books I've read. Didn't come away from it a huge fan of Holly, and he talks some outright nonsense in there, but it's an interesting read and a different slant (being from a midcarder rather than a top guy) on WWE from the new generation era through the attitude and into the current era. Always find it funny that Holly and JBL got the "bully" tag but Benoit doing the same thing was called "respecting the business" because Benoit had more workrate points or Japanese matches or something.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2014 10:47:53 GMT -5
One of the best non-WWE wrestling books I've read. Didn't come away from it a huge fan of Holly, and he talks some outright nonsense in there, but it's an interesting read and a different slant (being from a midcarder rather than a top guy) on WWE from the new generation era through the attitude and into the current era. Always find it funny that Holly and JBL got the "bully" tag but Benoit doing the same thing was called "respecting the business" because Benoit had more workrate points or Japanese matches or something. Yeah I've always hated this too. And Scott Steiner and Dynamite Kid also somehow managed to escape the bully tag. |
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