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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2014 4:38:40 GMT -5
 So lets pretend you are head booker of WWF in 1996. Vince has just signed Vader who is a former WCW world champion and held multiple titles in Japan. He is set to debut at Royal Rumble 1996. He has a 2 year contract and then plans on return to Japan. How would you book him? What would you change about his real WWF run? What would you keep the same? Vader debuts next... |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2014 4:53:06 GMT -5
Vader goes over, at Summerslam.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Jun 19, 2014 12:11:52 GMT -5
The obvious main change is that Vader would win the WWF Title at SummerSlam '96. You could even still have Shawn Michaels win back the belt at Royal Rumble in '97. Also, I would've loved Bret Hart vs. Vader. Bret was always great when working with bigger guys and with Vader being one of the best big men ever, this would've been awesome.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2014 12:52:42 GMT -5
Vader wins WWF Championship at SummerSlam and runs through everyone in his path until HBK wins the title back at Royal Rumble. So pretty much replace Sid's run with a Vader one.
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Post by Evil Abed on Jun 19, 2014 13:18:51 GMT -5
The obvious main change is that Vader would win the WWF Title at SummerSlam '96. You could even still have Shawn Michaels win back the belt at Royal Rumble in '97. Also, I would've loved Bret Hart vs. Vader. Bret was always great when working with bigger guys and with Vader being one of the best big men ever, this would've been awesome. I actually came in here to say exactly this. I would have loved to see Bret vs. Vader at some point for the Title. If we are to assume that Shawn still refuses to put over Bret at Mania I'd book like this. - Vader takes the WWF Title at Summerslam and defends it against the likes of Sid/Taker/HBK building him to be an unstoppable monster - Bret returns at Survivor Series and loses to Austin, Bret wins the Rumble eliminating Austin last, Bret/Austin Feud Culminates at IYH 13 in the I Quit Match - HBK/Sid still happens at Survivor Series 96 and carries over into Wrestlemania - Austin feuds with Taker, Owen/Bulldog give us a Euro Title Tournament Rematch, Mankind/Triple H happens earlier. - Mania Card turns into Bret Hart v. Vader w/Paul Bearer for the WWF Championship Shawn Michaels w/Jose Lothario vs. Pyscho Sid Stone Cold vs. The Undertaker Owen Hart vs. British Bulldog for the European Championship Mankind vs. Triple H w/Chyna Legion of Doom and Ahmed vs. Nation of Domination in a Chicago Street Fight Rocky Maivia vs. The Sultan for the Intercontinental Championship Goldust vs. Marc Mero - HBK goes over Sid, Taker goes over Austin, Bulldog goes over Owen, Triple H goes over Mankind, and Bret wins title from Vader. - HBK actually wrestles at Mania getting his win, Austin comes out looking like a million bucks against Taker, Bulldog/Owen give us another mat classic, Triple H becomes a legit threat before winning the King of the Ring, Bret redeems himself from WM12 and puts on a great battle against Vader to win the title. That's how I'd do it. Some things may be out of place, I started watching in 1999 so trying to piece everything together here. |
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Jun 19, 2014 13:53:12 GMT -5
The obvious main change is that Vader would win the WWF Title at SummerSlam '96. You could even still have Shawn Michaels win back the belt at Royal Rumble in '97. Also, I would've loved Bret Hart vs. Vader. Bret was always great when working with bigger guys and with Vader being one of the best big men ever, this would've been awesome. I actually came in here to say exactly this. I would have loved to see Bret vs. Vader at some point for the Title. If we are to assume that Shawn still refuses to put over Bret at Mania I'd book like this. - Vader takes the WWF Title at Summerslam and defends it against the likes of Sid/Taker/HBK building him to be an unstoppable monster - Bret returns at Survivor Series and loses to Austin, Bret wins the Rumble eliminating Austin last, Bret/Austin Feud Culminates at IYH 13 in the I Quit Match - HBK/Sid still happens at Survivor Series 96 and carries over into Wrestlemania - Austin feuds with Taker, Owen/Bulldog give us a Euro Title Tournament Rematch, Mankind/Triple H happens earlier. - Mania Card turns into Bret Hart v. Vader w/Paul Bearer for the WWF Championship Shawn Michaels w/Jose Lothario vs. Pyscho Sid Stone Cold vs. The Undertaker Owen Hart vs. British Bulldog for the European Championship Mankind vs. Triple H w/Chyna Legion of Doom and Ahmed vs. Nation of Domination in a Chicago Street Fight Rocky Maivia vs. The Sultan for the Intercontinental Championship Goldust vs. Marc Mero - HBK goes over Sid, Taker goes over Austin, Bulldog goes over Owen, Triple H goes over Mankind, and Bret wins title from Vader. - HBK actually wrestles at Mania getting his win, Austin comes out looking like a million bucks against Taker, Bulldog/Owen give us another mat classic, Triple H becomes a legit threat before winning the King of the Ring, Bret redeems himself from WM12 and puts on a great battle against Vader to win the title. That's how I'd do it. Some things may be out of place, I started watching in 1999 so trying to piece everything together here. That's actually very good. I'd have preferred that WrestleMania to the one we got. Although losing out on Bret/Austin I Quit at WrestleMania would hurt. I know you'd have it at In Your House but it just wouldn't be the same. Still though, Vader vs. Bret <3 |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2014 14:59:33 GMT -5
Some pretty interesting stuff here guys. I like it!
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Post by jakksking1 on Jun 19, 2014 15:08:25 GMT -5
100 percent agree with Vader going over Shawn at Summerslam. One other slight change would have been not having him debut in the Royal Rumble. What a horrible debut.
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Post by The Natural Eddy Valintino on Jun 19, 2014 15:17:09 GMT -5
It's been said multiple times here, but the only change about Vader I would have booked in '96 was booking him to beat HBK at Summerslam, then have him feud with Bret Hart at Survivor Series and then have him lose the title to HBK at the Rumble '97.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2014 15:43:31 GMT -5
Wait so you guys would build up vader and have him go over your top star just to leave. Nonsense. Vader returns and looks good but he has to put over michaels. This would be the equivalent of somebody from tna say Samoa joe coming to wwe and destroying everybody and even beating Bryan just to leave. Why? It's pointless.
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Post by Revy on Jun 19, 2014 15:56:58 GMT -5
Vader was also coming off shoulder surgery as well. I just found this out on Austin's podcast. He wasn't ready for his run in 1996. I think someone should have taken the belt off Shawn at SummerSlam, but I would hate to have missed his and Mankind's match at Buried Alive.
I think Vader should have debuted when he was healthy and be built as the beast he is. He didn't necessarily have to have the title to be a monster. However, have him take it off Undertaker if you want him to really get over.
It's hard sometimes to rebook someone's run, because that will change the course for other things that happened that were a positive.
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Jun 19, 2014 16:15:15 GMT -5
I would have had Vader come in at the Royal Rumble, and eliminate Mabel, and Yokozuna. Showing that HE is now the big man here.
Vader, Owen, Bulldog, Diesel and HBK are the final five. Shawn eliminates Bulldog same way he did at the Rumble with the clothesline, and then gets hit from behind by Vader. Vader sets up the HBK for the vader bomb, but Diesel pushes Vader over the top rope, Vader is livid and starts destroying stuff. Diesel is distracted and HBK super kicks Diesel out. So it comes down to Owen vs. HBK, where HBK gets rid of Owen to win the Rumble.
The following night, have Vader destroy Gino Monsoon like he did, but instead of getting banned, Roddy Piper comes in and makes Vader vs. Ahmed Johnson at the Feb. In Your House.
Ahmed goes over via DQ, and Owen and Davey come in to attack Ahmed. Yokozuna (who we haven't seen since the Rumble) comes down and makes a big face turn and helps Ahmed out.
Wrestlemania XII we have Yoko vs. Vader one on one. Vader destroys Yoko, saying he wants the WWE Champion!!
The following night, Vader destroys Bob Holly on Raw, and says "This isn't why Vader is here, Vader is here to be WWE Champion!! Shawn Michaels, I want you!!" And Razor Ramon comes down. Says "you want my boy HBK for a title match, you gotta go through me, The Bad Guy!"
So April IYH we get Vader vs. Razor, and it's pretty much the same match it was that actually happened. Vader gets the win.
May IYH we get Bulldog vs. HBK, and Vader isn't on the card. So Vader runs in at the end, causing a DQ and HBK wins the match.
Following night on Raw, we have Owen & Bulldog vs. HBK & Marc Mero, with Vader coming in and interfering, cause HBK and Mero to win via DQ.
Gino Monsoon says because of his recent actions in the title match with Bulldog vs. HBK, that Vader does not get a title shot, but Bulldog deserves a rematch at KOTR. But Vader goes into the KOTR.
KOTR that year looks like this....
Austin vs. Savio
Mero vs. Vader Austin vs. Mero
Austin vs. Jake in the finals
Jake vs. Bradshaw Jake vs. Triple H
Triple H vs. Holly
So Vader vs. Mero happens again the following night on Raw, and he beats him and takes him out for a month with 'injuries.'
Vader then goes into July IYH with Owen and Bulldog vs. HBK, Ahmed and Sid, much like how it happened, and Vader beats HBK that night.
He beats Ahmed in a non title match the following night on Raw, and says how he deserves to be WWE Champion, and at SummerSlam it will happen!!
SummerSlam happens, and Vader beats HBK to win the WWE Title!
He would hold onto the title until the Royal Rumble, losing it back to HBK.
In September IHY, Vader vs. Sid would happen for the WWE Title, while HBK vs. Mankind would be a number 1 contender match.
October, Sid & HBK vs. Vader & Mankind.
Survivor Series in November would have team HBK, with Sid, and Godwinns vs. Team Vader with Mankind, Owen and Bulldog.
December, Vader beats Bret at IYH, and then at the Royal Rumble loses the belt back to HBK.
The end!!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2014 17:32:39 GMT -5
First things first, to wear his singlet the right way around.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2014 18:38:02 GMT -5
Vadar and Yoko don't fight at the Rumble. They tag and eliminate everyone. Vadar wins belt at Mania...Yoko gets jealous. At an In your house Vadar vs. Yoko. Vadar wins.
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Post by Evil Abed on Jun 20, 2014 0:56:20 GMT -5
Wait so you guys would build up vader and have him go over your top star just to leave. Nonsense. Vader returns and looks good but he has to put over michaels. This would be the equivalent of somebody from tna say Samoa joe coming to wwe and destroying everybody and even beating Bryan just to leave. Why? It's pointless. I don't understand, where was Vader going, he stuck around until 1998/1999 (officially) So what are you talking about when you say he was leaving? |
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Post by Jonathan Karate on Jun 20, 2014 1:15:15 GMT -5
Everything stays the same except he destroys Shawn at SummerSlam to the point that the match gets stopped and Shawn keeps the belt.
Vader goes over Shawn for the title at Survivor Series clean and has a dominant run up until Mania 13 where he loses to Taker in the main event.
With Vince's raging hard on for Shawn there's no way he wasn't walking out of RR97 with that title though.
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Post by Jonathan Karate on Jun 20, 2014 1:23:29 GMT -5
Vader was also coming off shoulder surgery as well. I just found this out on Austin's podcast. He wasn't ready for his run in 1996. I think someone should have taken the belt off Shawn at SummerSlam, but I would hate to have missed his and Mankind's match at Buried Alive. I think Vader should have debuted when he was healthy and be built as the beast he is. He didn't necessarily have to have the title to be a monster. However, have him take it off Undertaker if you want him to really get over. It's hard sometimes to rebook someone's run, because that will change the course for other things that happened that were a positive. That's why I have Vader take the title at Survivor Series. Have him maul Shawn at Summer Slam and then not be allowed another title shot due to his actions at SummerSlam until Survivor Series. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2014 5:54:01 GMT -5
1) Vader doesn't run from HBK @ IYH International Incident.
2)Vader holds belt after Summerslam 96 until WM13 where Undertaker relieves him.
I wouldn't give up Hart vs Austin @ WM13 for ANYTHING.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2014 8:49:47 GMT -5
Wait so you guys would build up vader and have him go over your top star just to leave. Nonsense. Vader returns and looks good but he has to put over michaels. This would be the equivalent of somebody from tna say Samoa joe coming to wwe and destroying everybody and even beating Bryan just to leave. Why? It's pointless. I don't understand, where was Vader going, he stuck around until 1998/1999 (officially) So what are you talking about when you say he was leaving? op put- "He has a 2 year contract and then plans on return to Japan." |
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Post by Evil Abed on Jun 20, 2014 11:05:31 GMT -5
I don't understand, where was Vader going, he stuck around until 1998/1999 (officially) So what are you talking about when you say he was leaving? op put- "He has a 2 year contract and then plans on return to Japan." Ah gotcha, well I'd still book him strong for the sake of ratings and story throughout 1996 and stick to my original post. For me HBK's 96 title run was pretty forgettable. He beat Bret and Diesel out of the gate but then who did he beat? Sure he got a win or 2 over Bulldog but with all due respect to Davey Boy, he was not going to be the strong heel to put Michaels reign over the top. He beat Vader after Vader beat him like 2-3 times originally, that did nothing for him and then went on to beat Goldust who im sure we all knew wasnt winning the WWF Title. My point is there was no big heel for Michaels to face. IMO it would have been much smarter to still put it on Vader at Summerslam and have him feud with HBK/Sid/Taker until Bret came back and Austin got over. Then you could do whatever with him if he was going to leave in 8 months after Mania 13 or so. |
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