500DaysofNight
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Post by 500DaysofNight on Jul 4, 2014 7:13:25 GMT -5
Other than taking away everything from him, I think they pushed him too fast. When they moved him to Raw, that was the first big strike against him. He needed to stay on Smackdown and continue making a name for himself. He's went downhill ever since he was moved there. Sure, he won the 40 man Rumble, but he lost the title match he got. He then won the MITB but got caught up in the CM Punk craze and was just not wanted as champion in any way, shape or form by the fans.
So, in my eyes, everything that has happened to him hasn't been his fault. Getting forced into these positions by the "powers that be" has been the whole reason he hasn't caught on with the crowds.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2014 7:31:19 GMT -5
He's SO boring on the mic. His ring work is good tho. Some just have it, some don't
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2014 7:35:05 GMT -5
I've never liked him. His theme reminds me of the fields in Red Dead Redemption. Urgh. I spent waaaay too long in that game.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2014 9:59:38 GMT -5
I personally really dislike Del Rio. I respect his lineage, and his kicks are cool. But man oh man is he BORING! I hope his contract expires, im tired of watching him. When hes on its instant channel change time.
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Post by ~ Cymru ~ on Jul 4, 2014 13:44:31 GMT -5
I was a big del Rio fan when he first debuted and when he was face he was amazing but there's not much to like anymore now there's only 1 world title he's got nothing to do...
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Post by marino13 on Jul 4, 2014 14:36:14 GMT -5
IMO WWE writers have yet to give fans a reason to love or hate Del Rio. As a heel he does nothing but run his mouth. And then he turns face for no reason. How are the fans expected to care for him when they have no idea why he's a good guy all of a sudden? For fans to be invested into a face they have to understand who they are and what they stand for. As a heel they have to hate everything about you and your behaviors.
Coming out and talking once a week isn't gonna cut it. I like Del Rio, but he needs to either save the princess or blow up a children's hospital.
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Post by Sleazyness on Jul 4, 2014 14:48:59 GMT -5
I never liked him. Once they got rid of Ricardo and the bootleg JBL entrance, I lost all hope.
I don't understand how anyone finds the man interesting.
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Post by jcjdotcom on Jul 4, 2014 15:14:40 GMT -5
I like ADR. As someone else said, I think he should return to his Mexican aristocrat gimmick and have some minions. One should be Sin Cara. He should mention that his lucha libre name is Dos Caras and the reason is that he took Sin Cara's "face" in a match and now he is an indentured servant to his family. WWE could basically recreate the Million $ Man/Virgil dynamic.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2014 15:24:26 GMT -5
I never liked him. Once they got rid of Ricardo and the bootleg JBL entrance, I lost all hope. I don't understand how anyone finds the man interesting. Here's a Del Rio promo: "Listen to me, perro. You can't beat Alberto Del Rio. You are just a peasant." But yeah when he ditched Ricardo it was O V
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Post by k5 on Jul 4, 2014 15:59:34 GMT -5
he's misused and they put him in filler matches. guy is a talent, every time i see him live people are going wild at his antics.
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Post by ✖ AJ on Jul 4, 2014 17:05:03 GMT -5
It is more baffling that he won the biggest Royal Rumble in history. Albeit he eliminated Santino ing Marella last.
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Dante, The Voc
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Post by Dante, The Voc on Jul 4, 2014 17:10:36 GMT -5
They tried really hard to get him over but did so very poorly. For example:
1.) He wins the largest Royal Rumble ever (within 6 months of his debut, mind you) but throws out Santino lastly to win. I'm confident that everyone groaned something fierce when they saw the final two.
1a.) He wins the Royal Rumble, loses the title match in the Wrestlemania opener (the first time the Rumble winner fought in the opener, "Headlining Wrestlemania" as the largest Rumble winner ever my ass), and within a month is off the brand and out of the title picture. If you want to establish a heel star you have him the thorn on the side of the champion until he wins the belt, and spend a good while with the heel playing keep-away until the face finally regains it. Orton didn't need the reigns, Christian didn't need to turn heel. Del Rio/Christian with a couple other key faces + heels could've been the SmackDown story for the summer.
2.) In the months leading up to the big MiTB win, he's feuding with Big Show (a wrestler who, during this time period was leaps and bounds more boring than Del Rio), a storyline that, at Capitol Punishment, was revealed to just be a way to bring about the Mark Henry/Big Show feud. WWE basically had their "star child" playing placeholder for the briefest of feuds (Big Show got taken out by Henry like 3 weeks later, right?), not to mention he's not fighting competition that makes people wanna care.
3.) He wins MiTB with what I think was absolutely no steam (he's basically getting a Lesnar push, but without the credibility Lesnar established along the way) and within an hour of winning the briefcase he's looking like a bumbling buffoon, getting laid out with one CM Punk kick in a failed cash-in. Sadly, this was the only activity he had with the briefcase.
4.) He's WWE Champion by the time Summerslam 2011 is off the air, suddenly tainting the purity that John Cena/CM Punk had. He was in a throwaway 6-man tag opener and all of a sudden complicates (and, in my mind, ruins) what the WWE Title picture was then by throwing Nash, Trips and Del Rio into the picture. I've tossed this idea around before but I'd have Mysterio keep the belt, and Del Rio eventually cash-in on him, meanwhile Cena feuds with Punk over the "other" title, and once we boil it down to Del Rio and Punk we unify the "true" and "phony" WWE Titles and Punk's year-long reign kicks off.
5.) He's put into a 5-month feud with Sheamus over the World Heavyweight Title, with him in some capacity fighting Sheamus on PPV in May, July, August and September, and would've fought him in June barring a concussion. Both of them are good-to-great workers but their matches just never seemed to click. WWE shoulda pulled the plug on their feud after June or July if they saw that instead of giving us more and more of it. It droned on.
6.) Established himself as a credible face champion and beat Big Show (again, still kinda boring, at this point was racist, and has been beaten by everyone and their mothers so Del Rio hasn't been elevated too too much). Gets a Wrestlemania match in a xenophobic-filled story with a guy who hasn't been on TV since September and hasn't been watchable since 2009. All the while they have this white-hot MiTB holder (something Del Rio was not) and waited until the last possible second to pull the trigger on.
7.) Held the World Title for damn near a year, but turned heel again, losing a lot of steam and having a lot of people lost interest in him. Defends it in forgetful matches that were decent to good, but suffered from an utter lack of care--versus Christian and RVD. Ditches the one guy still holding onto his overness, Ricardo Rodriguez, loses the cars, the pyro, I think the scarf too. Basically strips him from the interesting persona he once was and just turns him into a skeleton-crew of a competitor, for lack of a better term. Loses the belt to John Cena for the sole purpose of unifying and hasn't been heard from since.
WWE hit gold when they pushed Brock to the moon, but they pushed him correctly. I wouldn't say Del Rio has had as much talent as Brock once had, but he went straight to the moon just as quickly. Conversely, however, it seems like they had the right ideas to get him over, but kinda just went "yeah we did this right, so we can phone in the little details" and ended up half-assing and screwing over any chance of people giving a damn about him.
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Post by dogprod on Jul 4, 2014 22:05:57 GMT -5
He was pretty damn over as a face. They should have kept that going. Del Rio was at his best during that time. I seriously marked when he beat Big Show for the belt. But no car, and no Roberto, and the heel turn have hurt him.
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Post by Mox on Jul 4, 2014 22:57:08 GMT -5
He's a 4 time world champ? Dear god man. LOL this made me laugh. And I agree with the OP. They messed him up on like a "Sandow level." Was it really that much work keeping the car?
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Post by skribbel24 on Jul 5, 2014 3:41:34 GMT -5
I'm not a ADR fan, but I assume they keep him on TV because they have a huge Mexican fanbase, who are very loyal and passionate.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2014 6:37:30 GMT -5
I like the idea of him, but not him per se', if that makes sense...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2014 7:24:04 GMT -5
Well when you strip a man of everything he has going for him what do you expect?
Let's taking yesing away from Bryan, crazy bumps away from Dolph, creepy entrance away from the Wyatt Family, Bad News from Barrett, and crazy **** away from Ambrose and see where they end up.
Exactly where Del Rio is is the answer to that btw.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2014 7:25:14 GMT -5
Well when you strip a man of everything he has going for him what do you expect? Let's taking yesing away from Bryan, crazy bumps away from Dolph, creepy entrance away from the Wyatt Family, Bad News from Barrett, and crazy **** away from Ambrose and see where they end up. Exactly where Del Rio is is the answer to that btw. Add Sandow to that.
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Post by Yambag Jones on Jul 5, 2014 16:18:50 GMT -5
He needs to be a corporate champion or have someone talk for him to get heat. Otherwise heel or face, he'll be flat.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2014 16:30:00 GMT -5
He needs his cars back
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