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Post by RV F'N D on Jul 9, 2014 7:21:35 GMT -5
I'm glad I was able to get Arn and Tully from Mattycollector, the figures are great, I would have bought them regardless of the belts though. I do believe that MDT is aware of the demand for these belts and will find a way to put them out again down the road somewhere. There are plenty of options. Until then, be patient, or be willing to pay up.
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Post by punksnotdead on Jul 9, 2014 7:21:55 GMT -5
I have a set but I would definitely take another one. I would think Mattel would use those belts to entice the purchase of a less popular figure. LOD doesn't fit the bill and we definitely need the shoulder pads more with them imo. The same kind of went for The Outlaws. Sure, Mattel could have included them but they really didn't need to with them being on the current product. They were popular enough to move without the titles included. Seems like when they do use those belts again it will be strategic to some degree. Either that or we'll see it in a Ringside Exclusive. That's why I thought we were seeing WM17 Edge most recently, to both go with E20 Christian and give us those belts.
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Post by D.B.K. on Jul 9, 2014 7:24:03 GMT -5
Agreed! The prices for those are CRAZY to say the least. I am in need of 1 of Raw world tag title belts, but can't find it anywhere   |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2014 7:59:58 GMT -5
You have no concept of distribution. You think that just because you see something or don't see something that it automatically means a figure sells or doesn't sell. flashbacks are short packed! That means a store could get 5 Papa Shangos and 25 Cenas if they order the right cases, and then you come to the store and see 1 Papa Shango and 10 Cenas and in your mind you think "Man, Cena never sells, but look how popular Papa Shango is!" when in reality Cena just just 15 and Shango only sold 4. Do you think Mattel does it this way over and over again because their product is losing money? I know how many flashbacks are per case, thank you for highlighting that in case I missed it in that rant. If the flashbacks were just as evenly packed they'd still all be the the first ones gone...every time...every store. And you base that on what? Conjecture? |
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Post by perfectlyrude on Jul 9, 2014 8:13:07 GMT -5
I know how many flashbacks are per case, thank you for highlighting that in case I missed it in that rant. If the flashbacks were just as evenly packed they'd still all be the the first ones gone...every time...every store. And you base that on what? Conjecture? well conjucture is a two way street my man. What supports your conclusion or opinion that evenly packed flashbacks would peg warm like all the Cena's do? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2014 8:18:41 GMT -5
You have no concept of distribution. You think that just because you see something or don't see something that it automatically means a figure sells or doesn't sell. flashbacks are short packed! That means a store could get 5 Papa Shangos and 25 Cenas if they order the right cases, and then you come to the store and see 1 Papa Shango and 10 Cenas and in your mind you think "Man, Cena never sells, but look how popular Papa Shango is!" when in reality Cena just just 15 and Shango only sold 4. Do you think Mattel does it this way over and over again because their product is losing money? I know how many flashbacks are per case, thank you for highlighting that in case I missed it in that rant. If the flashbacks were just as evenly packed they'd still all be the the first ones gone...every time...every store. I think it just depends on if there is a collector in that area or not. I live in a smaller market and I know of 3 other collectors in my area, so the Flashbacks usually go fairly quick and are tough to find retail. However, If you driver 150 miles down the highway there is another city and flashbacks are usually all that is on the pegs. I went to this town about a month ago and honestly the only elites I found were Rikishi, Billy Gunn, Roaddogg, and E26 Warrior. Nothing else....No E28 Taker and Kofi, E26 Mark Henry....Not one. |
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Post by perfectlyrude on Jul 9, 2014 8:26:34 GMT -5
I know how many flashbacks are per case, thank you for highlighting that in case I missed it in that rant. If the flashbacks were just as evenly packed they'd still all be the the first ones gone...every time...every store. I think it just depends on if there is a collector in that area or not. I live in a smaller market and I know of 3 other collectors in my area, so the Flashbacks usually go fairly quick and are tough to find retail. However, If you driver 150 miles down the highway there is another city and flashbacks are usually all that is on the pegs. I went to this town about a month ago and honestly the only elites I found were Rikishi, Billy Gunn, Roaddogg, and E26 Warrior. Nothing else....No E28 Taker and Kofi, E26 Mark Henry....Not one. I do definitely agree with this a lot of towns and cities are all going to have different collector's. I did mention that this was the case in my Cleveland suburbs, flashbacks are what people obviously want here in Cleveland. Cincinnati could be totally the opposite. Its just what I've concluded in my collecting and my hunting for my son as well as myself, the flashbacks go first and they go quickly. |
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Post by MWFD on Jul 9, 2014 8:54:57 GMT -5
I have a set but I would definitely take another one. I would think Mattel would use those belts to entice the purchase of a less popular figure. LOD doesn't fit the bill and we definitely need the shoulder pads more with them imo. The same kind of went for The Outlaws. Sure, Mattel could have included them but they really didn't need to with them being on the current product. They were popular enough to move without the titles included. Seems like when they do use those belts again it will be strategic to some degree. Either that or we'll see it in a Ringside Exclusive. That's why I thought we were seeing WM17 Edge most recently, to both go with E20 Christian and give us those belts. I agree with the strategy of packaging these belts with lesser popular figures making sense. E&C is a good call, I would also recommend an Elite I.R.S. and Elite Ted DiBiase (this serves two purposes as we've been wanting an Elite M$M for how long now?). Or if DiBiase's jumpsuit would put that over-budget then here are some other options of existing figures that they could be re-released and packed with: Elite/RSC Exclusive Billy Gunn (of Smokin' Gunns attire) Elite/RSC Exclusive Shawn Michaels (Two Dudes With Attitudes attire) Elite/RSC Exclusive Diesel (Two Dudes w/Attitutdes)  Or they could do a re-release of some figures, sort of like they did with Andre, but with minor changes. First on the list, would be Diesel with two changes: 1) change Winged Eagle belt to Classic Tag belt and 2)change his top color to his classic silver-letters-on-black singlet as seen below  Another re-release with just different paint designs/colors for Shawn Michaels, Bret Hart, would make sense too. Lastly, while the natural thought process is to think we should get two figures that come packed with a belt, I would argue that Mattel could get away with just releasing one figure of a tag-team set with the belt. When considering my options above, I don't think it is imperative they release both figures especially if they are pseudo-re-releases or minor paint changes. They can make another Diesel figure and give him the tag belt without making another Michaels figure with the tag belt. |
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Post by perfectlyrude on Jul 9, 2014 10:09:37 GMT -5
DZ: WF Legacy I would have to agree about the APA. Simmons is due, He's in the hall of fame, He's still in good graces with WWE IMO I think he would be rather easy to get under contract, yes JBL already had a flashback, but I think anything AE is highly marketable. Weather or not they'd come with the classic tag belts who knows...they were known for those backstage and bar room brawls, I could see them coming with breakaway tables and APA shirts.
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Post by The Dave on Jul 9, 2014 10:33:20 GMT -5
DZ: WF Legacy I would have to agree about the APA. Simmons is due, He's in the hall of fame, He's still in good graces with WWE IMO I think he would be rather easy to get under contract, yes JBL already had a flashback, but I think anything AE is highly marketable. Weather or not they'd come with the classic tag belts who knows...they were known for those backstage and bar room brawls, I could see them coming with breakaway tables and APA shirts. Fortunately it won't be these ones, if it were to happen!   |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2014 10:44:34 GMT -5
And you base that on what? Conjecture? well conjucture is a two way street my man. What supports your conclusion or opinion that evenly packed flashbacks would peg warm like all the Cena's do? Mine isn't an opinion. It's written on the cases you can buy from RSC, and it has been stated by RSC people and Mattel. It isn't opinion. It's fact. Yours is based on "I just know." That's conjecture. |
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Post by perfectlyrude on Jul 9, 2014 11:00:52 GMT -5
well conjucture is a two way street my man. What supports your conclusion or opinion that evenly packed flashbacks would peg warm like all the Cena's do? Mine isn't an opinion. It's written on the cases you can buy from RSC, and it has been stated by RSC people and Mattel. It isn't opinion. It's fact. Yours is based on "I just know." That's conjecture. yes we all know the cases are marked by quantity I think you were too concerned in spouting off the definition of conjecture that you completely missed the fact that I know my opinion is conjecture. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2014 11:14:08 GMT -5
Mine isn't an opinion. It's written on the cases you can buy from RSC, and it has been stated by RSC people and Mattel. It isn't opinion. It's fact. Yours is based on "I just know." That's conjecture. yes we all know the cases are marked by quantity I think you were too concerned in spouting off the definition of conjecture that you completely missed the fact that I know my opinion is conjecture. But you clearly don't know mine isn't conjecture, because you said it was "a two way street." |
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Post by perfectlyrude on Jul 9, 2014 11:31:29 GMT -5
yes we all know the cases are marked by quantity I think you were too concerned in spouting off the definition of conjecture that you completely missed the fact that I know my opinion is conjecture. But you clearly don't know mine isn't conjecture, because you said it was "a two way street." Remind me again what your fact is? That the factory cases have quantities on them? No one is disputing that? And nothing is ever "clear" with you bro you go up and down ten different roads and mind  everything to the point where I have lost what your actual point is. |
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Post by Halloween King on Jul 9, 2014 11:58:10 GMT -5
From what I've gathered just from seeing and hearing and reading dif Mattel interviews I feel they dont make many old era toys because there main focus is current product. This is the reasoning to why we get so many Cena's. Mattel wants to make toys of things currently being watched by children. I guess Mattel feels that children buy more toys than adult collectors. Speaking for myself. When I was a kid figures cost from 5 to 7 dollars and my parents bought me many figures but not every time I wanted ones. Now though figures cost more than twice and I buy myself figures every time I want one. I know I've easily bought 20 to one as far as figure count goes. That's 20 figures as an adult compared to every 1 my parents bought me. Taking that into consideration and also taking into consideration the fact that some people have much larger collections than myself, I would think the adult collector spends more on figures. The problem with that theory is the kids outnumber the adult collectors by a LARGE margain. So then this just proves why Mattel doesnt care what all the collectors on here want. Mattel will focus more on new cenas cause thats what all the kiddies want. |
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Post by jayrod2009 on Jul 9, 2014 12:02:25 GMT -5
The problem with that theory is the kids outnumber the adult collectors by a LARGE margain. So then this just proves why Mattel doesnt care what all the collectors on here want. Mattel will focus more on new cenas cause thats what all the kiddies want. Us? This forum might make up .5% of sales. |
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Post by Halloween King on Jul 9, 2014 12:13:39 GMT -5
So then this just proves why Mattel doesnt care what all the collectors on here want. Mattel will focus more on new cenas cause thats what all the kiddies want. Us? This forum might make up .5% of sales. There is no way, I know of, to either prove or disprove your claim that we are only .5 percent of sales. I would think these forums represent a larger number of customers than .5%. Just the fact that Mattel works with Ringside and produces exclusives for them makes me think the number has to be higher than .5%. |
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Post by jayrod2009 on Jul 9, 2014 12:17:18 GMT -5
Us? This forum might make up .5% of sales. There is no way, I know of, to either prove or disprove your claim that we are only .5 percent of sales. I would think these forums represent a larger number of customers than .5%. Just the fact that Mattel works with Ringside and produces exclusives for them makes me think the number has to be higher than .5%. Mattel is a Global company. WWE is a Global company. There might be 2,000 people on this forum that collect. Now if we are talking RSC sales, we probably make up about 60% |
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Post by Halloween King on Jul 9, 2014 12:31:44 GMT -5
There is no way, I know of, to either prove or disprove your claim that we are only .5 percent of sales. I would think these forums represent a larger number of customers than .5%. Just the fact that Mattel works with Ringside and produces exclusives for them makes me think the number has to be higher than .5%. Mattel is a Global company. WWE is a Global company. There might be 2,000 people on this forum that collect. Now if we are talking RSC sales, we probably make up about 60% See the funny thing about a global company is that just because it is a global company does not mean it sells the same through out the globe. WWE does shows in Mexico every now and then. And yet I know for a fact they do not sell wwe mattel figures at very many places in Mexico. Maybe a random toy shop will have figures, but not the Walmarts and other big chains in Mexico. I know this from first hand experience. I remember I walked into a Walmart in Zacatecas ZAC, a major city in Mexico, and I hurried to the toy aisle to see what they had. It was nothing like here in the States. They might have had 1 aisle with a mix up of board games, toy balls, plush dolls, jump rope, books, and maybe other random toys. But nothing Mattel, no Hotwheels, no Matchbox, No wrestling figures, no action figures of any kind to be honest. It was the same story at different chains in Mexico and in different cities. Now sure that was just Mexico, 1 country. For me though just going off of what I saw in Mexico, a country wwe does shows in, im more inclined to think USA is prob the strong point of Mattel Sales. |
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Post by 👑🇵🇭⭐️ on Jul 9, 2014 13:03:05 GMT -5
Threads like this make me appreciate my collection more.  All this make me wonder if I were to sell all the Mattel Belts you see in the pictures below, plus the ECW Belt, as one lot, how much could I get for it??All are shiny VAC except for the Million Dollar and Hardcore. Just to clarify, the Belts I have are: 1. Winged Eagle (Blue) 2. Big Eagle 3. Smoking Skull 4. Undisputed 5. Spinner 6. Big W 7. Big W (bought a 2nd instead of the Yellow Strap Winged Eagle) 8. Big Gold 9. Big Gold (bought a 2nd instead of the nWo Belt) 10. ECW (not pictured in sig) 11. Million Dollar 12. Classic IC 13. Attitude IC 14. White Strap IC 15. United States 16. US Spinner 17. European 18. Hardcore 19. Internet 20. Classic World Tag Team 21. Classic World Tag Team 22. Raw Tag Team 23. Raw Tag Team 24. Smackdown Tag Team 25. Smackdown Tag Team 26. Penny Tag Team 27. Penny Tag Team 28. Women’s 29. Divas    Can I at least get $500 for the whole set?? |
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