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Post by Mike Giggs' Munchies on Jul 24, 2014 14:13:58 GMT -5
So which one of these was the biggest turning point on his rise to stardom? All three of them came directly from events that were totally out of his hands, so I wondered which people thought was the most important 'stroke of luck' for Austin.
Being fired from WCW obviously led to him joining the company where he was successful.
HHH getting the punishment from the Curtain Call allowed Austin his first big break that he otherwise certainly wouldn't have had that year.
HBK pulling out of WM13 vs. Bret led Austin to have the first truly iconic match of his career, and probably one of the three biggest overall.
So yeah, which was most pivotal in his meteoric rise?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2014 14:27:36 GMT -5
getting fired from WCW
HHH not winning KOTR
WM13
in that order......without being fired from WCW? NOTHING would have been possible.....that right there was the turning point for Austin. If he hadn't went to WWF?NO Austin 3:16.
the more interesting question(IMO)would be which was more pivotal.....KOTR 1996 or WM13?
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Post by Mike Giggs' Munchies on Jul 24, 2014 14:35:51 GMT -5
getting fired from WCW HHH not winning KOTR WM13 in that order......without being fired from WCW? NOTHING would have been possible.....that right there was the turning point for Austin. If he hadn't went to WWF?NO Austin 3:16. the more interesting question(IMO)would be which was more pivotal.....KOTR 1996 or WM13? I would have thought KOTR. Austin-Bret was great but Austin could've had a great match with someone else. If he didn't win KOTR then he isn't getting that push for at least a year. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2014 14:43:13 GMT -5
getting fired from WCW HHH not winning KOTR WM13 in that order......without being fired from WCW? NOTHING would have been possible.....that right there was the turning point for Austin. If he hadn't went to WWF?NO Austin 3:16. the more interesting question(IMO)would be which was more pivotal.....KOTR 1996 or WM13? I would have thought KOTR. Austin-Bret was great but Austin could've had a great match with someone else. If he didn't win KOTR then he isn't getting that push for at least a year. KOTR for sure Mike. The crowd was behind Austin since before SSeries 96......his turn was coming regardless.....and that GREAT match with Bret would have happened somewhere because Hart wanted it yknow? |
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Jul 24, 2014 15:12:58 GMT -5
Being fired. It set the wheels in motion for everything. Then KOTR. He was already on the fast track to superstardom when WrestleMania 13 rolled around. The guy "won" the Royal Rumble. That match just solidified everything.
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Jul 24, 2014 15:19:10 GMT -5
getting fired from WCW HHH not winning KOTR WM13 in that order......without being fired from WCW? NOTHING would have been possible.....that right there was the turning point for Austin. If he hadn't went to WWF?NO Austin 3:16. the more interesting question(IMO)would be which was more pivotal.....KOTR 1996 or WM13? I would go with HHH not winning KOTR 96 first. There is a good chance Austin would have left WCW for the WWE when his contract came up. Him getting fired from WCW just pushed it up faster to him getting to the WWE. But without HHH not getting that KOTR 96 spot, who knows what would have happened to Austin. I am sure he would have gotten to the main event level eventually, but it may have taken him longer to get there. |
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Post by The Yes Man on Jul 24, 2014 18:36:19 GMT -5
I would say his run in ECW was most important, that was really where "Stone Cold" was born. So I guess by default him leaving WCW.
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Post by mikey1974 on Jul 24, 2014 19:42:21 GMT -5
HBK pulling out of Mania 13.
yeah,the WCW thing was big,but I fully expect he would've gotten out of there at some point or another,especially with Hogan and Friends running things and Austin's obvious discontent would've led to him not resigning with them when his contract was up I think.
KOTR was undoubtably a big moment, but they still had no plans for him. he faced Mero and the next PPV,hardly an endorsement of rising up the ranks. then he faced Yokozuna on the SummerSlam Free For all pre-show. and he didn't appear at the September IYH at all. so even though he was King of the Ring,he was still firmly entrenched in the midcard. only when he started the program with Bret did his stock in the company rise.
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Post by Jonathan Karate on Jul 24, 2014 20:31:06 GMT -5
There should be another option.
Going to ECW.
Without going to ECW I don't know if WWE would have been interested in him.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2014 21:03:02 GMT -5
There should be another option. Going to ECW. Without going to ECW I don't know if WWE would have been interested in him. This is what I came to say. This. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2014 3:28:34 GMT -5
There should be another option. Going to ECW. Without going to ECW I don't know if WWE would have been interested in him. This is what I came to say. This. yes.....going to ECW was pivotal.great suggestion boys |
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Post by punksnotdead on Jul 25, 2014 11:02:03 GMT -5
All of it's extremely important imo. Each was like a domino that got knocked over on its way to a perfect storm. Austin needed to be angry at WCW, he needed to go to ECW and vent and be himself, he needed WWF to hire him, he needed WWF to give him an opportunity to be that character he created in ECW, and then he needed the opportunity to elevate himself on that big stage, turning anti-face at a time when the world wanted that kind of hero. It all started when he got fired from WCW, but I think it's hard to just point your finger at one point on the timeline. If I was forced to do that I'd probably pick ECW. Writers can usually point to one moment in time where an entire book was born, and I think for Austin, the Stone Cold book was born in ECW.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2014 12:01:00 GMT -5
All of it's extremely important imo. Each was like a domino that got knocked over on its way to a perfect storm. Austin needed to be angry at WCW, he needed to go to ECW and vent and be himself, he needed WWF to hire him, he needed WWF to give him an opportunity to be that character he created in ECW, and then he needed the opportunity to elevate himself on that big stage, turning anti-face at a time when the world wanted that kind hero. It all started when he got fired from WCW, but I think it's hard to just point your finger at one point on the timeline. If I was forced to do that I'd probably pick ECW. Writers can usually point to one moment in time where an entire book was born, and I think for Austin, the Stone Cold book was born in ECW. Terrifically worded post.....well done. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2014 14:28:31 GMT -5
Austin has said himself on the podcast that EVERYTHING needed to fall in place exactly as it did for it all to work.
Something as simple as Marc Mero making it to the KOTR finals instead of Jake Roberts would've changed Austin's entire winning speech and we never would've got Austin 3:16.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2014 5:03:33 GMT -5
Austin has said himself on the podcast that EVERYTHING needed to fall in place exactly as it did for it all to work. Something as simple as Marc Mero making it to the KOTR finals instead of Jake Roberts would've changed Austin's entire winning speech and we never would've got Austin 3:16. Yeah can you imagine that? In some ways I feel sorry for Mero. he was promised the sun, moon & stars by Vince. But when Vince found out that he couldn't act like Johnny B Badd(trademark infringement) he went cool on him nearly straight away. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2014 5:07:21 GMT -5
Austin has said himself on the podcast that EVERYTHING needed to fall in place exactly as it did for it all to work. Something as simple as Marc Mero making it to the KOTR finals instead of Jake Roberts would've changed Austin's entire winning speech and we never would've got Austin 3:16. Yeah can you imagine that? In some ways I feel sorry for Mero. he was promised the sun, moon & stars by Vince. But when Vince found out that he couldn't act like Johnny B Badd(trademark infringement) he went cool on him nearly straight away. Not to mention there was a ton of resentment once guys found out how much he was getting paid. Even guys like Foley didn't want to work with him either. |
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Post by Duck Holliday on Jul 26, 2014 5:27:00 GMT -5
Giving it to being fired.
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Post by HHH316 on Jul 27, 2014 0:16:37 GMT -5
I'd probably say him winning the KOTR.
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