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Post by Plastic Cowboy on Jul 26, 2014 17:20:22 GMT -5
So in my watching of Taw from the beginning, Mr. perfect was incredibly over in 93', how was he not WWF champion ever? hogan and savage were basically part timers and on their way out. was it Yokozunas long reign? he fits the mold of Hart and HBK, did management have something against him ect?
Also I want to back in time and punch rob Bartlett in the face, I never realized how annoying that guy was.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2014 17:28:26 GMT -5
Combination of factors: - He was still relatively fresh off a return in late 92. - Bret was the new golden boy and I firmly believe had Hennig been able to return earlier, he probably would have gotten that spot since he basically turned babyface against the top heels in the company. - They were trying to make Luger into the new Hogan and didn't have time for anyone else to challenge Yoko.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2014 17:29:41 GMT -5
-Bad back. -Not as over as Bret.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2014 17:32:02 GMT -5
I'd comment on 'Mr. Perpect' but I'd get in trouble. This thread was up about 2 weeks ago, where we discussed how he was the 'AWA World Heavyweight Champion' as well as the 'WWC', so he did alright.
I guess he was just never given the shot in a 'Hogan Ruled' WWF. I personally enjoyed his 2002 Run.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2014 19:40:00 GMT -5
He and Bret should've traded the belt back and forth throughout 1993.
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Post by The Yes Man on Jul 26, 2014 19:49:24 GMT -5
He should have had Yokos title reign, IMO.
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Post by mrassbillygunn on Jul 26, 2014 19:54:46 GMT -5
He wasnt really over and i dont think he was marketable. If the money was there trust me he would have been champ but you dont win the title through wrestling ability alone.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2014 19:59:22 GMT -5
He wasnt really over and i dont think he was marketable. If the money was there trust me he would have been champ but you dont win the title through wrestling ability alone. I respectfully but completely disagree. He was over in 1993. Especially after his turn on Flair/Heenan in late 92. People were happy to see him back in the ring.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2014 5:46:14 GMT -5
Hennig was "over like rover" in 1993. BUT he would have been classified as unreliable(IMO)in a time where Vince needed an unbreakable workhorse on top.
Now Yoko did fit that mould.......like him or not. It was highly unlikely he would get injured due to the limited nature of his matches and he was drawing heat.
Hennig was just a victim of circumstance.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2014 6:01:51 GMT -5
Hennig's only real shot was to have beat Warrior at the Rumble and lost to Hogan at WM7.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2014 6:05:36 GMT -5
Hennig's only real shot was to have beat Warrior at the Rumble and lost to Hogan at WM7. Actually his real shot would have been if they gone through with him and Hulk at WM VI.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2014 6:47:27 GMT -5
With some slight booking changes, 1993 could've been an amazing year for Hennig. I also would've kept Luger heel as that American hero schtick was the drizzling sh*ts.
Royal Rumble goes as originally planned.
Wrestlemania: Bret defeats Yokozuna Lex Luger defeats Perfect by count out after forearm smash
King of the Ring: Mr. Perfect defeats Bret Hart for the title Lex Luger wins the tournament Yokozuna defeats Hulk Hogan and sends him packing
Summerslam: Bret Hart regains the title after defeating Mr. Perfect Yokozuna defeats Undertaker Lex Luger defeats Randy Savage
Survivor Series: Bret Hart defends the title against either Yokozuna or Lex Luger
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2014 7:34:24 GMT -5
With some slight booking changes, 1993 could've been an amazing year for Hennig. I also would've kept Luger heel as that American hero schtick was the drizzling sh*ts. Royal Rumble goes as originally planned. Wrestlemania: Bret defeats Yokozuna Lex Luger defeats Perfect by count out after forearm smash King of the Ring: Mr. Perfect defeats Bret Hart for the title Lex Luger wins the tournament Yokozuna defeats Hulk Hogan and sends him packing Summerslam: Bret Hart regains the title after defeating Mr. Perfect Yokozuna defeats Undertaker Lex Luger defeats Randy Savage Survivor Series: Bret Hart defends the title against either Yokozuna or Lex Luger Now that sounds a lot better than what happened, bravo.
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Post by wyleecyotee on Jul 27, 2014 7:44:29 GMT -5
I like that some great wrestlers didn't win the title, makes it more prestigious and like "wow this title is so good, perfect and Roberts didn't win it"
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Jul 27, 2014 7:46:03 GMT -5
It's because you're looking at old wrestling through the prism of today, where everyone half-decent gets a title win. In those days, that wasn't the case.
As a heel, he had long runs headlining with both Hogan and Warrior and didn't impress. As a babyface, it's not hard to see why Bret Hart and Lex Luger (who didn't get a title run either) were positioned above him.
Shawn Michaels didn't get a world title until 1996. If he'd left in 1993, he'd never have been a world champion either. If Hennig had stuck around (and stayed healthy, reliable and good) through the late nineties, he'd probably have won one. But he didn't.
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Post by jakksking1 on Jul 27, 2014 7:59:58 GMT -5
It's because you're looking at old wrestling through the prism of today, where everyone half-decent gets a title win. In those days, that wasn't the case. As a heel, he had long runs headlining with both Hogan and Warrior and didn't impress. As a babyface, it's not hard to see why Bret Hart and Lex Luger (who didn't get a title run either) were positioned above him. Shawn Michaels didn't get a world title until 1996. If he'd left in 1993, he'd never have been a world champion either. If Hennig had stuck around (and stayed healthy, reliable and good) through the late nineties, he'd probably have won one. But he didn't. Yeah you nailed it. They didn't hot shot the title like they do today. For 10 years in that time from 84-93, there were 10 different men to hold the title (with 2 short reigns with Andre and Taker). As much as I love guys like Perfect, he was never going to be the man in WWF, especially in the early 90s when you still had Hogan, Warrior, Bret, Luger and Flair. Add in his back injuries, and there was no shot he was getting the belt. The best time for him to have gotten the strap wasn't 1993, it would've been 94 when they had Backlund as the transitional champion, but by that time he wasn't wrestling anymore.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2014 8:01:52 GMT -5
With some slight booking changes, 1993 could've been an amazing year for Hennig. I also would've kept Luger heel as that American hero schtick was the drizzling sh*ts. Royal Rumble goes as originally planned. Wrestlemania: Bret defeats Yokozuna Lex Luger defeats Perfect by count out after forearm smash King of the Ring: Mr. Perfect defeats Bret Hart for the title Lex Luger wins the tournament Yokozuna defeats Hulk Hogan and sends him packing Summerslam: Bret Hart regains the title after defeating Mr. Perfect Yokozuna defeats Undertaker Lex Luger defeats Randy Savage Survivor Series: Bret Hart defends the title against either Yokozuna or Lex Luger So Luger knocks Hennig out and wins via count-out but Hennig gets the next shot at Bret? That's horrible booking.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2014 13:21:53 GMT -5
With some slight booking changes, 1993 could've been an amazing year for Hennig. I also would've kept Luger heel as that American hero schtick was the drizzling sh*ts. Royal Rumble goes as originally planned. Wrestlemania: Bret defeats Yokozuna Lex Luger defeats Perfect by count out after forearm smash King of the Ring: Mr. Perfect defeats Bret Hart for the title Lex Luger wins the tournament Yokozuna defeats Hulk Hogan and sends him packing Summerslam: Bret Hart regains the title after defeating Mr. Perfect Yokozuna defeats Undertaker Lex Luger defeats Randy Savage Survivor Series: Bret Hart defends the title against either Yokozuna or Lex Luger So Luger knocks Hennig out and wins via count-out but Hennig gets the next shot at Bret? That's horrible booking. You're horrible booking. I see no issue with it at all. It makes everyone notice Luger and yet Perfect doesn't get pinned and stays strong because the dastardly heel had to knock him out with a loaded forearm to beat him. Even then it was still only a countout victory. This isn't a new thing. I can't tell you how many guys have lost a PPV match only to receive a title shot the following month. There is also a 3 month gap between Wrestlemania and King of the Ring you know.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2014 15:40:53 GMT -5
So Luger knocks Hennig out and wins via count-out but Hennig gets the next shot at Bret? That's horrible booking. You're horrible booking. I see no issue with it at all. It makes everyone notice Luger and yet Perfect doesn't get pinned and stays strong because the dastardly heel had to knock him out with a loaded forearm to beat him. Even then it was still only a countout victory. This isn't a new thing. I can't tell you how many guys have lost a PPV match only to receive a title shot the following month. There is also a 3 month gap between Wrestlemania and King of the Ring you know. But the reason you'd put Luger over Hennig is to: A.) Keep Luger unbeaten B.) Set Luger up as the challenger by giving him a win over one of the top stars If he beats Perfect, he should get the next title shot. This was a point in WWF history where they needed hot heels to feed to the babyfaces, so why throw him on ice? How are you going to set Perfect up as the challenger in three months? You gonna have him beat Luger on TV? Because that's an idiotic move. You gonna have him beat a bunch of other guys instead? Doesn't change that he lost at WM. Luger vs. Bret at KOTR, given that Luger won, would be the most logical choice under those circumstances. Plus, if Perfect's getting a two month reign with the belt, what's the purpose of putting Luger on the back burner? Why can't Luger get hot shotted to Bret, Perfect wins KOTR and challenges at SummerSlam? Also, re: "I can't tell you how many guys have lost a PPV match only to receive a title shot the following month." Yeah, except we're talking 1993 WWF and monthly WWF title matches on TV or PPV weren't a thing, that came about six years later.
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