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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2014 15:51:45 GMT -5
You're horrible booking. I see no issue with it at all. It makes everyone notice Luger and yet Perfect doesn't get pinned and stays strong because the dastardly heel had to knock him out with a loaded forearm to beat him. Even then it was still only a countout victory. This isn't a new thing. I can't tell you how many guys have lost a PPV match only to receive a title shot the following month. There is also a 3 month gap between Wrestlemania and King of the Ring you know. But the reason you'd put Luger over Hennig is to: A.) Keep Luger unbeaten B.) Set Luger up as the challenger If he beats Perfect, he gets the next title shot. How are you going to set Perfect up as the challenger in three months? You gonna have him beat Luger on TV? Because that's an idiotic move. You gonna have him beat a bunch of other guys instead? Doesn't change that he lost at WM. Luger vs. Bret at KOTR, given that Luger won, would be the most logical choice under those circumstances. Plus, if Perfect's getting a two month reign with the belt, what's the purpose of putting Luger on the back burner? Why can't Luger get hot shotted to Bret, Perfect wins KOTR and challenges at SummerSlam? Also, re: "I can't tell you how many guys have lost a PPV match only to receive a title shot the following month." Yeah, except we're talking 1993 WWF and monthly WWF title matches on TV or PPV weren't a thing, that came about six years later. I don't like your attitude. If you remember, in reality, Lex Luger knocked Bret Hart out at the WM 9 press conference but didn't receive an automatic title shot. The point I'm trying to make that Luger would beat Perfect by disqualification after using loaded forearm. Luger wasn't ready for a title program yet. Perfect was though. Hence why I booked a slow build-up for Luger and had him win KOTR before finally getting the big title match at Survivor Series. Also, how is three months of tv not enough to push Perfect? He's not Max Moon, he's Mr. F*ckng Perfect. The story of him wanting to get back his loss to Bret at Summerslam 91 writes itself. I have been here for 12 years and have NEVER once had a major issue with someone disagreeing with me but do it respectfully. |
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Jul 27, 2014 18:40:49 GMT -5
Guys, he's not asking about Mr. Perfect, he's asking about Mr. Perpect.
"How was Mr. Perpect not WWF Champion?"
That's what the headline says. So does anyone know who Mr. Perpect was??
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Post by mrassbillygunn on Jul 27, 2014 19:37:30 GMT -5
He wasnt really over and i dont think he was marketable. If the money was there trust me he would have been champ but you dont win the title through wrestling ability alone. I respectfully but completely disagree. He was over in 1993. Especially after his turn on Flair/Heenan in late 92. People were happy to see him back in the ring. I respectfully disagree. Were people really that pleased to see him back in the ring? Mr Perfect was a top class wrestler but a mid card character. What could he sell to be marketable? White towels? There was nothing there in his character to give him the title. Especially back then when it was harder to get the strap. I loved watching him wrestle and his match with Bockwinkle for the title in AWA was one of my faves. It doesnt matter if he was around with the likes of Bret, Warrior, Hogan...if he was marketable (i know that word gets annoying but i cant stress how important it is) then he would have been champ. He wasnt, so i think thats why he wasnt the champ. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2014 21:22:55 GMT -5
I respectfully but completely disagree. He was over in 1993. Especially after his turn on Flair/Heenan in late 92. People were happy to see him back in the ring. I respectfully disagree. Were people really that pleased to see him back in the ring? Mr Perfect was a top class wrestler but a mid card character. What could he sell to be marketable? White towels? There was nothing there in his character to give him the title. Especially back then when it was harder to get the strap. I loved watching him wrestle and his match with Bockwinkle for the title in AWA was one of my faves. It doesnt matter if he was around with the likes of Bret, Warrior, Hogan...if he was marketable (i know that word gets annoying but i cant stress how important it is) then he would have been champ. He wasnt, so i think thats why he wasnt the champ. That's fair but yes I feel fans were more than happy to have him back in the ring. He got a GREAT reaction at Survivor Series 1992 and again at Wrestlemania 9. He may have been a mid-card character at that time but I feel he had potential to be a main event one as well. As far as being marketable, his charisma was there. I'd say he was more charasmatic then Bret who was actually WWF Champ at the time. |
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Post by jeffro2000 on Jul 27, 2014 21:29:14 GMT -5
93 is the only possibility I see here. Before that he was a mid-card guy and I never thought for a minute he was beating Hogan/Warrior. He was booked in a way to win many matches while IC champ underhandedly and to come off weak.
He was definitely over in late 92 early 93. The feud with Flair was good stuff. However, Bret was the reliable guy and the face champion. WWE needed a heel at that time and Perfect wasn't. He had injury issues and likely known other issues.
As others stated, the belt didn't jump around back then. If he wrestled from 93 to 96 full time, he likely would have gotten it at some point. His only post Hogan opportunity was 93. I do agree that if he was healthy, he could have feuded with Flair in 92 and got the belt instead of Bret. But any "outside the ring" issues would have to be figured in if they existed especially at that time for Vince.
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Post by mrassbillygunn on Jul 27, 2014 22:11:01 GMT -5
I respectfully disagree. Were people really that pleased to see him back in the ring? Mr Perfect was a top class wrestler but a mid card character. What could he sell to be marketable? White towels? There was nothing there in his character to give him the title. Especially back then when it was harder to get the strap. I loved watching him wrestle and his match with Bockwinkle for the title in AWA was one of my faves. It doesnt matter if he was around with the likes of Bret, Warrior, Hogan...if he was marketable (i know that word gets annoying but i cant stress how important it is) then he would have been champ. He wasnt, so i think thats why he wasnt the champ. That's fair but yes I feel fans were more than happy to have him back in the ring. He got a GREAT reaction at Survivor Series 1992 and again at Wrestlemania 9. He may have been a mid-card character at that time but I feel he had potential to be a main event one as well. As far as being marketable, his charisma was there. I'd say he was more charasmatic then Bret who was actually WWF Champ at the time. Yea he was more charismatic than Bret, I agree. But Bret had them those little gimmicks called pink shades which sold like hot cakes. Not to mention Bret was over like crazy. The angle/storylines were there in abundance but like i said to be champion back then you had to be a marketable guy, he just fell short in that regard I feel. I could well be wrong and that wasnt the reason at all for him not receiving the title but who knows? |
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Post by JC Motors on Jul 27, 2014 22:30:13 GMT -5
I like that some great wrestlers didn't win the title, makes it more prestigious and like "wow this title is so good, perfect and Roberts didn't win it" it goes down with their legacy |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2014 4:06:55 GMT -5
But the reason you'd put Luger over Hennig is to: A.) Keep Luger unbeaten B.) Set Luger up as the challenger If he beats Perfect, he gets the next title shot. How are you going to set Perfect up as the challenger in three months? You gonna have him beat Luger on TV? Because that's an idiotic move. You gonna have him beat a bunch of other guys instead? Doesn't change that he lost at WM. Luger vs. Bret at KOTR, given that Luger won, would be the most logical choice under those circumstances. Plus, if Perfect's getting a two month reign with the belt, what's the purpose of putting Luger on the back burner? Why can't Luger get hot shotted to Bret, Perfect wins KOTR and challenges at SummerSlam? Also, re: "I can't tell you how many guys have lost a PPV match only to receive a title shot the following month." Yeah, except we're talking 1993 WWF and monthly WWF title matches on TV or PPV weren't a thing, that came about six years later. I don't like your attitude. If you remember, in reality, Lex Luger knocked Bret Hart out at the WM 9 press conference but didn't receive an automatic title shot. The point I'm trying to make that Luger would beat Perfect by disqualification after using loaded forearm. Luger wasn't ready for a title program yet. Perfect was though. Hence why I booked a slow build-up for Luger and had him win KOTR before finally getting the big title match at Survivor Series. Also, how is three months of tv not enough to push Perfect? He's not Max Moon, he's Mr. F*ckng Perfect. The story of him wanting to get back his loss to Bret at Summerslam 91 writes itself. I have been here for 12 years and have NEVER once had a major issue with someone disagreeing with me but do it respectfully. Uh, I was being respectful. I didn't insult you anywhere other than saying I thought your fantasy booking was terrible. If your ego is that fragile that you can't take someone trying to have a serious discussion about fantasy booking on a message board, I'm not the problem here. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2014 4:45:21 GMT -5
Ok.
Anyway, do you guys remember this little gem which was on the Wrestlemania: The Album cassette tape? I believe this was released in '93.
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Post by MrPerfect25 on Jul 30, 2014 8:33:44 GMT -5
People saying that Perfect wasn't marketable nor over enough or charismatic enough, yet wanted Luger to get the strap.......are brainless. If you're talking early 93, nobody liked Luger. To most WWE fans, young and old, he was some WCW cheeseball. Hennig could have been a Perfect champion at that time. He was an athletic machine and in a time where the still kept things a secret and keyfabe, how could one of the best athletes not be the champ? Def believable. Plus he was over and getting good pops during his entrances and he was decent on the mic. Sure, Perfect could have sold "white towels" but what was Luger gonna sell.....protein shakes?
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Post by Sleazyness on Jul 30, 2014 9:10:45 GMT -5
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Jul 30, 2014 9:34:19 GMT -5
People saying that Perfect wasn't marketable nor over enough or charismatic enough, yet wanted Luger to get the strap.......are brainless. If you're talking early 93, nobody liked Luger. To most WWE fans, young and old, he was some WCW cheeseball. Hennig could have been a Perfect champion at that time. He was an athletic machine and in a time where the still kept things a secret and keyfabe, how could one of the best athletes not be the champ? Def believable. Plus he was over and getting good pops during his entrances and he was decent on the mic. Sure, Perfect could have sold "white towels" but what was Luger gonna sell.....protein shakes?  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2014 13:07:32 GMT -5
People saying that Perfect wasn't marketable nor over enough or charismatic enough, yet wanted Luger to get the strap.......are brainless. If you're talking early 93, nobody liked Luger. To most WWE fans, young and old, he was some WCW cheeseball. Hennig could have been a Perfect champion at that time. He was an athletic machine and in a time where the still kept things a secret and keyfabe, how could one of the best athletes not be the champ? Def believable. Plus he was over and getting good pops during his entrances and he was decent on the mic. Sure, Perfect could have sold "white towels" but what was Luger gonna sell.....protein shakes? Where the hell have you been in this thread?!?!? Thank you! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2014 11:03:25 GMT -5
Mr. Perfect was great. I always loved his work and he and Flair could've had a hell of a feud in 92 and istead of Bret winning they could've had Perfect in his place and it could've headlined and been a stellar contest thus allowing Perfect to become champion and Flair to go back to Dubya C Dubya
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