Reflections on a most horrible day.

I'm pretty sure he's remembering innocent civilians.

Not trying to start an argument here so heads up.

But man what if it didn't happen? What if the war went on and the attacks simply got larger and larger? Both countries could very well be destroyed or partially destroyed had they not made that decision.


We might as well reflect on the people that lost their lives in Pearl Harbor and the Nazi death camps as well if we're going to reflect on this.

Are you saying we shouldn't?

Not at all. I'm just saying that if your going to do something like this on a public display you should include everyone that suffered from the War. Even if it was the anniversary of the bombing, things like this will always be a touchy subject.

Basically there's no right way to go about this without offending SOMEONE. Everyone has difference views and standpoints.

Commemorating the anniversary of an event that killed thousands of innocent people is not in any way offensive. It's just not. I don't know what it's like in America, but we're constantly commemorating the victims of the Holocaust. I know that you've got a Pearl Harbor remembrance day and I doubt a lot of time is spent thinking about the horrors of Hiroshima and Nagasaki then (correct me on that if I'm wrong). No one should be offended by this thread, it happened and it should be remembered. And of course doing that, doesn't mean that you forget the other casualties of World War 2.

Oh no no no, not at you at all. If you note, there were only a couple of people who turned this thread into some sort of finger pointing exercise, and you surely wasn't one of them.

The entire point of this thread was to share art, not to hear people's opinion on things that they're very, very, very obviously ignorant about.

We live in a sad, twisted world. When President Harry S. Truman decided to order the military to drop two atomic bombs on Nagasaki and Hiroshima, his did have a choice to place that command. The Japanese were very hesitant to surrender. Once they saw what the Manhattan Project was about and the long term damage that came with it, Japan had to swallow its pride and surrender. Thus, causing an end to World War II. In order to end a war, you have to expect severe casualties in the process. Japan goaded the United States to enter a war it wanted no part of. Once Japan attacked Pearl Harbor, the rest is history.

It is known that when these Presidents create their own policies, many do not agree with them. When you look at history as a whole, you'll see that those policies made sense for the time. Looking at now, not many people agree with President George W. Bush's policies after the September 11th Attacks. I mean, ****, I remember feeling when American Airlines Flight 11 hitting the north tower and United Airlines Flight 175 crashing into the south tower. Not to mention, smelling the burnt rubble afterwords.

World War II was once of the most horrific times in all of mankind. Millions of people died and this world could have been wiped out. Hell, Oradour-sur-Glane in France had their population wiped out because of the Nazi's. Now, Oradour-sur-Glane stands as a memorial honoring those in the war. They had to build a new town under the same name as a result. In the end, Truman did what he had to do. The Japanese swallowed their pride and surrendered. If you look at Japan now, their people are better off now than they were in 1945. When Germany hosted the 2006 World Cup, the entire country felt as one. Both Germany and Japan are better nations now than during World War II.

Sure you can. You have every right to.

How are we safer?

9-11 brought on a flood of new laws, most of which invade people's privacy and give the government more unchecked powers. Traveling via an aircraft has become a nightmare, babies are patted down like criminals and so on. All this but yet still someone found a way to sneak past security, past a gate agent, and board an aircraft to travel for free. It just happened yesterday or the day before, so how are we safer? Had that woman intended to attack a commercial flight no one would have stopped her. I dont think we are safer. I think we are just under alot more supervision.

It's kind of like seat belt laws. Just because you put on a seat belt does not mean you will not be involved in a collision. Dont think a seat belt means your car is now uncrushable. It just means now the government will come down on you for not doing what they told you to do.