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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on Aug 19, 2014 12:39:45 GMT -5
It's not just about money either. It started out that way, but things have CHANGED. If it was just about money, you wouldn't care. The way they make money is by making us care. That's what a skilled wrestler does, is make us care. Make us gasp when that shoulder comes up just before the three count because we bought into the match. Exactly. They create a passion play. It's not a mere scam. At least not anymore. I was just trying to shed light on the concept of eliciting responses. I used a Jeff Hardy death leap from the stage example, while you're using a Michaels vs Hart or Hogan vs Rock example. I agree with your general thinking, but I felt the need for further clarification. If my retorts seemed hostile, then my bad.
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Post by johnnyb on Sept 13, 2014 13:47:50 GMT -5
Actually Benoit got over solely with his wrestling - 'cos he had nothing else to offer. He was just a wrestling machine, with the personality of an ironing board. This isn't true. Benoit's character was that of a silent killer. He gave off the impression that he could literally rip your arm off and let his physicality do his talking. If he was just some generic guy who was a good wrestler he wouldn't have gotten over like he did.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2014 14:04:38 GMT -5
What do you honestly think?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2014 16:12:06 GMT -5
It depends were your wrestling
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2014 3:46:16 GMT -5
In WWE? No. Also? It NEVER has been enough.
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Post by rustyy on Sept 14, 2014 3:50:39 GMT -5
In WWE? No. Also? It NEVER has been enough. In 2014, it really is changing though, I mean it seems like if you have a personality now you'll never get pushed. Now it's all look and wrestling ability.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2014 4:03:37 GMT -5
In WWE? No. Also? It NEVER has been enough. In 2014, it really is changing though, I mean it seems like if you have a personality now you'll never get pushed. Now it's all look and wrestling ability. oh NOW it's all about looks.
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Post by Emerald Enthusiast on Sept 14, 2014 6:04:25 GMT -5
TO get someone over as a wwe champion in WWE? No one aspect of the biz (Charisma/Mic work/in-ring ability) is enough to be WWE champion. But wrestling skill is the most important building block of the 3. It's easier to hide/downplay a guy who isn't the greatest talker (see Brock Lesnar's early years) if he can work. The opposite is still possible, but more difficult, especially now that the public has easy access to decades of wrestling for comparison.
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Post by Mr. PerpetuaLynch Motion on Sept 14, 2014 6:18:37 GMT -5
TO get someone over as a wwe champion in WWE? No one aspect of the biz (Charisma/Mic work/in-ring ability) is enough to be WWE champion. But wrestling skill is the most important building block of the 3. It's easier to hide/downplay a guy who isn't the greatest talker (see Brock Lesnar's early years) if he can work. The opposite is still possible, but more difficult, especially now that the public has easy access to decades of wrestling for comparison. See it may be easier to hide a lack of talking ability by a good wrestler but you can't teach charisma and it's easier to hone a wrestlers skills in the ring than it is to teach them how to talk. Thereby I'd say that while there are a few exceptions to the rule (Brock, Benoit, Bret) that you can't get by simply by being really, really good in the ring. You also need that intangible charisma that helps you connect with the audience.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2014 9:17:00 GMT -5
Nope, you need more than that, but I don't want to beat a dead horse. Without a character, without a connection to the fans, without any real hook to make you stand out, you're just another guy taking up a roster spot. To me, it is that exact reasoning, that guys are toiling away in Ring of Honor or Pro Wrestling Guerrilla, having "epic" matches and getting internet praise, but won't break out to the WWE because they lack any real character. You can do 500 moves a match and go 60 minutes without breaking a sweat, but if we can't get into you and we can't connect to you as a performer, it means nothing.
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Post by Brad on Sept 14, 2014 15:09:28 GMT -5
No way
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2014 18:41:08 GMT -5
Not working for Cesaro
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Post by Emerald Enthusiast on Sept 14, 2014 22:42:09 GMT -5
No one aspect of the biz (Charisma/Mic work/in-ring ability) is enough to be WWE champion. But wrestling skill is the most important building block of the 3. It's easier to hide/downplay a guy who isn't the greatest talker (see Brock Lesnar's early years) if he can work. The opposite is still possible, but more difficult, especially now that the public has easy access to decades of wrestling for comparison. See it may be easier to hide a lack of talking ability by a good wrestler but you can't teach charisma and it's easier to hone a wrestlers skills in the ring than it is to teach them how to talk. Thereby I'd say that while there are a few exceptions to the rule (Brock, Benoit, Bret) that you can't get by simply by being really, really good in the ring. You also need that intangible charisma that helps you connect with the audience. It's easier to learn public speaking than athletic prowess. Being coordinated is something that a guy has (and can be honed) or he doesn't, in which case it's a big job for his opponents and the production/announcing teams to cover up the fact that he's screwing up.
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Post by Falconsinclair on Sept 15, 2014 4:33:16 GMT -5
Wrestling ability and charisma (in ring movements, facial expressions) are extremely important. You don't need to be the greatest talker, but you do need some charisma to get to the top
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Post by McBlake on Sept 15, 2014 6:50:56 GMT -5
Sadly it's not even required.
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