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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2014 22:23:28 GMT -5
Why didn't roman come out and help his brother out? Seesh roman its like that now??? I always wonder this when Ambrose is getting screwed. I know they don't really want to associate the two anymore for whatever reason, but it kinda makes Roman look like an assh*le IMO. I know right I mean seriously why isn't he showing no interest in trying to take out seth I mean he Did hit with the chair after all.Unless thats where there going next with this.
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Post by facemeat on Aug 18, 2014 22:23:45 GMT -5
How the hell are they burying him? He lost twice in 24 hours to his main rival. Even if he wins an eventual third match, he'll still lose out on this feud. It's like Daniel Bryan all over again. This company thinks that giving the top face in the company a meaningful win without 6 months of constant losing and build up is a waste for whatever reason. It's awful booking. I think you need to stop worrying about wins and losses and pay attention to what actually leads to those wins and losses. Seth may have technically won both matches, but Ambrose ended up looking better in defeat than Rollins looked in victory.
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Post by Yambag Jones on Aug 18, 2014 22:24:23 GMT -5
.... You have very weird rules you watch your wrestling with, man. I can't disagree with you more. Why not have Ambrose win tonight and then get assaulted to write him off of TV afterwards? That way, each guy has a win and their next match after he comes back is the tiebreaker. We saw this with Daniel Bryan when he was feuding with Triple H and also with CM Punk when he was feuding with Heyman. Months of constant losing ending with one victory doesn't work; our at least to me it doesn't. But...Ambrose had the match won...Ambrose winning gives him (slightly) less incentive the next time they clash. Delaying Ambrose's big victory over Rollins is 100% the right way to go.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2014 22:24:47 GMT -5
He lost twice in 24 hours to his main rival. Even if he wins an eventual third match, he'll still lose out on this feud. It's like Daniel Bryan all over again. This company thinks that giving the top face in the company a meaningful win without 6 months of constant losing and build up is a waste for whatever reason. It's awful booking. I think you need to stop worrying about wins and losses and pay attention to what actually leads to those wins and losses. Seth may have technically won both matches, but Ambrose ended up looking better in defeat than Rollins looked in victory. This.
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Post by Chip on Aug 18, 2014 22:25:02 GMT -5
In two nights Ambrose went from one of my favorite wrestlers to my favorite.
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Post by HVMMONS on Aug 18, 2014 22:25:34 GMT -5
This feud is great between Ambrose and Rollins. Ambrose isn't at all buried. They're doing everything perfect.
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Post by Yambag Jones on Aug 18, 2014 22:25:51 GMT -5
Great main event. However they could have given Ambrose the win before being taken out. He lost at mitb. Rollins weaseled out of battleground. He lost last night. And now he lost tonight. Like someone else said it's like Bryan all over again. Dean could have gotten the win, gets taken out, and them come back for the third and final match. Instead Seth is up 3-0 in their matches. Dean winning the final match won't make up for it. Depends on how it happens. If his character is a lunatic, I doubt he cares about the win-loss record...
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Post by Triple S on Aug 18, 2014 22:26:18 GMT -5
That match was good. Way overhyped on here, but still pretty good. Still told a good story during it, as well.
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Post by Chip on Aug 18, 2014 22:26:51 GMT -5
Rollins and Ambrose are making themselves stars in this feud. Whoever is booking it should get more work immediately. there's no possible way the same people who are booking the rest of these shows have anything to do with Ambrose & Rollins at all in any way
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Post by Yambag Jones on Aug 18, 2014 22:27:14 GMT -5
I love being amped after Raw is over. They should do that more often.
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Post by J12 on Aug 18, 2014 22:27:12 GMT -5
I also find it interesting that crowds are becoming less and less enthused by Roman Reigns on a nightly basis. I can't tell if it's because of the way he's being booked, or the way he's faltered as a singles competitor thus far, but the tide is definitely turning long before WWE wants it to.
There was a time where I understood the push to the moon, but at this point, Ambrose and Rollins are significantly more over than he is, their popularity is organic and natural, and they're both more capable in every department.
Reigns is really going to have to prove himself in the coming months, or the crowd is going to revolt again.
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Post by Yambag Jones on Aug 18, 2014 22:28:35 GMT -5
I want to see Ambrose straight up challenge Lesnar (if he's still champ) once this feud is over.
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Post by JDP on Aug 18, 2014 22:28:59 GMT -5
With the way things are now, imagine the type of year 2015 is going to be for WWE.
NXT is getting better and better and even more new talent is getting signed, Daniel Bryan will hopefully be back, Ziggler seems to be getting somewhat of a push, Ambrose and Rollins are freaking crazy, Roman Reigns is over as hell, and Paul Heyman promos are the most entertaining segment of every show. WWE is just getting better and better from here, the new era has truly started.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2014 22:29:50 GMT -5
.... You have very weird rules you watch your wrestling with, man. I can't disagree with you more. Why not have Ambrose win tonight and then get assaulted to write him off of TV afterwards? That way, each guy has a win and their next match after he comes back is the tiebreaker. We saw this with Daniel Bryan when he was feuding with Triple H and also with CM Punk when he was feuding with Heyman. Months of constant losing ending with one victory doesn't work; our at least to me it doesn't. Rollins had two wins.. He won at Payback by default because Ambrose couldn't show up for the match since he was ejected from the arena, so they wouldn't both have a win
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Post by Yambag Jones on Aug 18, 2014 22:30:00 GMT -5
I also find it interesting that crowds are becoming less and less enthused by Roman Reigns on a nightly basis. I can't tell if it's because of the way he's being booked, or the way he's faltered as a singles competitor thus far, but the tide is definitely turning long before WWE wants it to. There was a time where I understood the push to the moon, but at this point, Ambrose and Rollins are significantly more over than he is, their popularity is organic and natural, and they're both more capable in every department. Reigns is really going to have to prove himself in the coming months, or the crowd is going to revolt again. Reigns has to go above and beyond until WM31 if he's the guy who the company will get behind. Mixing in some new moves would be a good start...
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Post by ThugSuperstar on Aug 18, 2014 22:30:23 GMT -5
He lost twice in 24 hours to his main rival. Even if he wins an eventual third match, he'll still lose out on this feud. It's like Daniel Bryan all over again. This company thinks that giving the top face in the company a meaningful win without 6 months of constant losing and build up is a waste for whatever reason. It's awful booking. I think you need to stop worrying about wins and losses and pay attention to what actually leads to those wins and losses. Seth may have technically won both matches, but Ambrose ended up looking better in defeat than Rollins looked in victory. The entire point of a wrestling match is winning and losing. How exactly am I overrating the value of wins and losses? Not to mention, do you see any other babyface stars like Roman Reigns losing twice within a 24 hour period?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2014 22:30:25 GMT -5
I also find it interesting that crowds are becoming less and less enthused by Roman Reigns on a nightly basis. I can't tell if it's because of the way he's being booked, or the way he's faltered as a singles competitor thus far, but the tide is definitely turning long before WWE wants it to. There was a time where I understood the push to the moon, but at this point, Ambrose and Rollins are significantly more over than he is, their popularity is organic and natural, and they're both more capable in every department. Reigns is really going to have to prove himself in the coming months, or the crowd is going to revolt again. I think it's because Reigns is just in a pointless rivalry with Orton, so the fans have no reason to care about the matches.
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Post by Ian from 616Entertainment. on Aug 18, 2014 22:32:07 GMT -5
.... You have very weird rules you watch your wrestling with, man. I can't disagree with you more. Why not have Ambrose win tonight and then get assaulted to write him off of TV afterwards? That way, each guy has a win and their next match after he comes back is the tiebreaker. We saw this with Daniel Bryan when he was feuding with Triple H and also with CM Punk when he was feuding with Heyman. Months of constant losing ending with one victory doesn't work; our at least to me it doesn't. That's the thing, to YOU it doesn't. Why the hell would Ambrose WIN when he's being written off TV? The whole point is to get rid of him. It would be a ridiculous waste if Seth lost tonight and Dean is the one who is going away. When Dean comes back, Seth can say "Remember what happened last time you got in my way?" What would the win do for Dean at all? He could say, "Yea, I WON. Then you murdered me with cinder blocks. But I WON, hahaha nerd." No. They did it the right way. Not everything needs to be even. They don't need to always be 1-1 in order for their to be a trilogy match.
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Post by Chip on Aug 18, 2014 22:32:46 GMT -5
I also find it interesting that crowds are becoming less and less enthused by Roman Reigns on a nightly basis. I can't tell if it's because of the way he being booked, or the way he's faltered as a singles competitor thus far, but the tide is definitely turning long before WWE wants it to. There was a time where I understood the push to the moon, but at this point, Ambrose and Rollins are significantly more over than he is, their popularity is organic and natural, and they're both more capable in every department. Reigns is really going to have to prove himself in the coming months, or the crowd is going to revolt again. Its because the push Reigns is getting is 100% forced and non-organic. Most people are starting to realize that now. Before with The Shield, everything was just "cool" All 3 guys were having their moments, getting the spotlight and being put on a pedestal.\ Then all of a sudden....Reigns started getting the pins in matches, Reigns started getting the camera focusing on him, Reigns started getting the commentators talking about him ALL the time Fans didn't want to HAVE to like Reigns better. They wanted to like all 3 guys equal with maybe their own choice a little above the other 2. Now the WWE machine has completely taken Reigns over and he is unstoppable. The very thing most people despise about Cena, Sheamus & others. And to be honest, outside of some power moves....there is nothing amazing about Reigns. He's an average worker with an average promo ability. WWE fans aren't stupid despite what the WWE "brass" thinks. You can almost physically SEE how hard they want to push him....as soon as he got in that 6-man tag match tonight Cole, JBL & Lawler were GUSHING over him like a schoolboy....pumping the volumes of their voices for every move, OVER-selling the fact he is a "powerhouse", etc.....and eventually its going to drain on people. WWE has completely lost touch of how to actually have organic satisfaction. They feel they HAVE to force the issue when the "iron is hot" and all it does is completely deflate the bubble (See: Fandango-ing) What we saw tonight Ambrose & Rollins WRESTLING, destroying themselves for our entertainment will unequivocally 110% ALWAYS be more entertaining, more memorable and more liked by the majority. Besides the fact that both of those guys absolutely kill it on the mic when they aren't wrestling. Reigns is gonna get the Superman treatment, but Rollins & Ambrose will forever be better, and more "popular" you can MARK my words on that one.
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Post by marino13 on Aug 18, 2014 22:33:11 GMT -5
If you constantly watch RAW with a stick already up your butt....
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