RV F'N D
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Post by RV F'N D on Sept 17, 2014 10:15:04 GMT -5
Wait...what? How were the ratings bad with the supposed huge draw, twice a month special attraction wwe champ Brock Lesnar and John Cena mixing it up? There must be some mistake...everything is awesome and trending on twitter...
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Sept 17, 2014 10:20:03 GMT -5
Wait...what? How were the ratings bad with the supposed huge draw, twice a month special attraction wwe champ Brock Lesnar and John Cena mixing it up? There must be some mistake...everything is awesome and trending on twitter... Monday.Night.Football. Also, as people have stated, it doesn't matter if Brock Lesnar is part time, full time, if Cena turns heel or anything, wrestling isn't the "it" thing that it was in the late 90's. The ratings aren't going to move much.
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Post by k5 on Sept 17, 2014 11:46:11 GMT -5
I will bet you just about anything wrestling will never be the "it" thing again. Holy ing sh-t we finally agree on something. It doesn't matter what any wrestling promotion does---wrestling is like many other "retro" fads. It's like, accepted geek culture now or something. Look at it like this: Pokemon was hot for pretty much the same time wrestling was super hot in the States. Both faded out around the same time and by now all that's left is the new generation (kids) and the remnants of the fanbase who never let it go. Wrestling's a self sustaining business, so as long as they don't do anything critically stupid, they'll be fine but there's not going to be some huge boom again unless some real serious sh-t goes down. people were saying the same thing throughout the mid-90s. as i've stated before, wrestling simply needs to acclimate itself to modern conditions. heyman has come forward with several ideas - such as to steal aspects of the ufc (who's idea do you really think it is to not have brock on tv all the time?). they've tried to acclimate by connecting to the age of social media, but the issue is that social media/pop culture/flo rida don't really share any notable characteristics with wrestling. in the 90s, crap was edgy, so wrestling became edgy and we had a hit. nowadays, things are reeled back, but i don't believe that the right mind couldn't come up with a new concept making the product relevant again.
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Post by sitruC on Sept 17, 2014 13:28:56 GMT -5
Am I the only person on here that actually really enjoys the WWE Product? It's been alot more better than people give it credit for, I personally have loved it.
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Post by punksnotdead on Sept 17, 2014 13:46:20 GMT -5
Holy ing sh-t we finally agree on something. It doesn't matter what any wrestling promotion does---wrestling is like many other "retro" fads. It's like, accepted geek culture now or something. Look at it like this: Pokemon was hot for pretty much the same time wrestling was super hot in the States. Both faded out around the same time and by now all that's left is the new generation (kids) and the remnants of the fanbase who never let it go. Wrestling's a self sustaining business, so as long as they don't do anything critically stupid, they'll be fine but there's not going to be some huge boom again unless some real serious sh-t goes down. people were saying the same thing throughout the mid-90s. as i've stated before, wrestling simply needs to acclimate itself to modern conditions. heyman has come forward with several ideas - such as to steal aspects of the ufc (who's idea do you really think it is to not have brock on tv all the time?). they've tried to acclimate by connecting to the age of social media, but the issue is that social media/pop culture/flo rida don't really share any notable characteristics with wrestling. in the 90s, crap was edgy, so wrestling became edgy and we had a hit. nowadays, things are reeled back, but i don't believe that the right mind couldn't come up with a new concept making the product relevant again. People seem to really be missing that pretty important point. WWE actively changed with the times. I mean WCW really got to it first with the NWO, but WWE, more importantly talent within WWE, was able to look around pop culture and see what the MTV Spring break generation wanted out of entertainment. An anti-authority beer chugging redneck, womanizing rule breaking frat boys, and boobs, lots and lots of boobs. WWF drastically changed their product to appeal to a new wave of fans. It's not like they were sitting around doing the same sh*t they were doing in 1995 and all of sudden people just started liking wrestling again. I've seen so many people make that statement that it was just time for wrestling to be popular again and that's asinine. WWE made themselves popular with Mike Tyson, and Stone Cold and DX, Pimps & Hoes, and all the violent and sexual content teenage boys could handle. That's what fans wanted at that time because that's how our society was at that time.
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Post by Chip on Sept 17, 2014 14:31:21 GMT -5
I gotta say, I'm still watching RAW every week. I'm not bitching about the product itself. I can still find some good stuff pretty consistently. However the problems/issues I have are GLARING and really obvious. And it's just frustrating because I may not be a wrestling booker, but I absolutely know that they could do better than this.
and not "bring back the attitude era"...but i mean actually giving non-wrestling superfans a reason to care about wrestling.
maybe they really are only marketing towards kids/teens but they don't act like it sometimes....but sometimes they do. it's confusing.
the one thing they are really good at is confusing the living hell out of their fans and to be honest i'd be willing to be a LOT of stuff that the "core" audience of the WWE are the people who have stuck with it for a generation or more. and probably will always stick with it because like I said, there are always things to enjoy somewhere.
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Post by rustyy on Sept 17, 2014 15:34:22 GMT -5
Am I the only person on here that actually really enjoys the WWE Product? It's been alot more better than people give it credit for, I personally have loved it. Except it hasn't. All the talent that's great on the mic is continually buried, we have a champ that hates wrestling and hardly shows up, Daniel Bryan is gone, Punk is gone, we have the same matches every week, Roman Reigns push to the top over much more qualified people, and constant plugging of the app/twitter/network.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2014 17:43:58 GMT -5
Am I the only person on here that actually really enjoys the WWE Product? I enjoy it
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2014 18:07:56 GMT -5
Am I the only person on here that actually really enjoys the WWE Product? I'm generally a big fan. Here and there there's stuff I don't like. But I like most of it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2014 19:35:19 GMT -5
people were saying the same thing throughout the mid-90s. as i've stated before, wrestling simply needs to acclimate itself to modern conditions. heyman has come forward with several ideas - such as to steal aspects of the ufc (who's idea do you really think it is to not have brock on tv all the time?). they've tried to acclimate by connecting to the age of social media, but the issue is that social media/pop culture/flo rida don't really share any notable characteristics with wrestling. in the 90s, crap was edgy, so wrestling became edgy and we had a hit. nowadays, things are reeled back, but i don't believe that the right mind couldn't come up with a new concept making the product relevant again. People seem to really be missing that pretty important point. WWE actively changed with the times. I mean WCW really got to it first with the NWO, but WWE, more importantly talent within WWE, was able to look around pop culture and see what the MTV Spring break generation wanted out of entertainment. An anti-authority beer chugging redneck, womanizing rule breaking frat boys, and boobs, lots and lots of boobs. WWF drastically changed their product to appeal to a new wave of fans. It's not like they were sitting around doing the same sh*t they were doing in 1995 and all of sudden people just started liking wrestling again. I've seen so many people make that statement that it was just time for wrestling to be popular again and that's asinine. WWE made themselves popular with Mike Tyson, and Stone Cold and DX, Pimps & Hoes, and all the violent and sexual content teenage boys could handle. That's what fans wanted at that time because that's how our society was at that time. the problem is the environment is more divided than ever. What one demographic likes would turn off another large demographic. And I'm looking up some UFC ratings. It seems a million viewers for TV is the high water mark that I've been able to find. WWE blows that out of the water. ideas like keeping the champ off TV might make the PPVs and the episodes he is on more special, but it does nothing for the episodes he isn't on. I'm pretty sure TV ratings are down over all with more shows to watch and more people not watching on TV. There's no show with a Mr T out there no cultural phenomena (involving people at least) like MTV.
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