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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2014 7:46:43 GMT -5
Joe/Smurf hit the nail on the head; thank you Sir. Also, as someone who isn't American but has seen his fair share of 'cheap heat anti-USA' heels I find Rusev to be probably the best of the bunch, especially in recent memory...
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Post by ~ Cymru ~ on Sept 28, 2014 8:41:59 GMT -5
For me they're on two totally different levels at the moment, Rusev has manhandled everyone he's been in the ring with so far but lets face it he hasnt been in the ring with anyone who's a "somebody" yet. Swagger has 5 mins of fame a few years ago but hasnt done crap since, same with Mark Henry every few months / years we find him in the main event scene, loosing to who ever the E are trying to put over. I think it'll be interesting when Rusev goes up against someone with a bit more status, then we can get a true judgement.
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Post by TurboEddie on Sept 28, 2014 8:51:18 GMT -5
He isn't a believable monster period.
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Post by KrimV on Sept 28, 2014 8:58:19 GMT -5
I think if WWE REALLY believed in Rusev's character, they could give him a major rub with a quick backstage segment. You show Heyman/Lesnar walking one way, title over his shoulder. Rusev/Lana the other way, and they stop, face to face -- unstoppable force/immovable object moment... Then Lesnar does his snicker, with Heyman looking uneasy, before continuing on. Rusev shrugs it off and continues on as well. Did Lesnar brush him off out of disrespect? Or actually out of respect? Lesnar's the monster of monsters, right now. Why not put Rusev in his place? You don't have to put Rusev over Lesnar -- only create the question in the audience's mind. "WHY didn't he..." -- people make their own conclusions. I like that! That would plant a seed for down the line when they inevitably turn one of them face.
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Post by Mirror Images on Sept 28, 2014 9:14:22 GMT -5
Rusev is believable against 90% of the roster yes. its only against people Like Lesnar and other as big and strong that he might not be unstopable.
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Post by Happy Pizza on Sept 28, 2014 9:28:54 GMT -5
I'm finding it hard to believe that some short stocky fat guy is supposed to be able to dominate collegiate athletes like Swagger and world class weight lifters like Mark Henry. Wut. Couple things. Jack Swagger's physique is about as impressive as Rusev's, regardless of their respective ahthletic backgrounds. Second, I do not understand how one could see Henry as an elite athlete but Rusev as "some fat guy." They have the same background. Powerlifting. Powerlifting places a priority on raw strength and not aesthetics. Being shorter can actually help to lift heavier weights because the range of motion is reduced compared to a taller person. For example, here's powerlifter Hafthor Bjornsson. This man is not as ripped as John Cena... but he can deadlift 1000 pounds. Brodus Clay and Rikishi are fat guys. In a real fight, Rusev could probably dismember somebody. If he was beating Jack Swagger in amateur wrestling contests or Kofi Kingston in a broad jump competition then sure, these complaints would be warranted. But he's being booked as a brute who just overpowers his opponents, and wrestling ability aside, physically he looks the part.
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Post by Evil Abed on Sept 28, 2014 9:40:05 GMT -5
I'm finding it hard to believe that some short stocky fat guy is supposed to be able to dominate collegiate athletes like Swagger and world class weight lifters like Mark Henry. Wut. Couple things. Jack Swagger's physique is about as impressive as Rusev's, regardless of their respective ahthletic backgrounds. Second, I do not understand how one could see Henry as an elite athlete but Rusev as "some fat guy." They have the same background. Powerlifting. Powerlifting places a priority on raw strength and not aesthetics. Being shorter can actually help to lift heavier weights because the range of motion is reduced compared to a taller person. For example, here's powerlifter Hafthor Bjornsson. This man is not as ripped as John Cena... but he can deadlift 1000 pounds. Bo Dallas is fat. Rikishi was fat. In a real fight, Rusev could probably dismember somebody. You clearly didn't watch Smackdown or NOC then and see the guy gassed halfway through the match. He may not be as fat as Rikishi but the guy isnt exactly in shape either.
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Post by Joe/Smurf on Sept 28, 2014 10:17:14 GMT -5
I didn't say memorable, I said solid. Give Rusev somebody to carry him and he's capable. He has room to grow as a performer, but working against Mark Henry and Big Show won't help him all that much. In a year where nothing has really been that memorable besides Daniel Bryan, Taker's Streak, and Shield Splitting; if anything you do is solid it should easily be memorable in my opinion. And why exactly should Rusev get people to carry him? Basically what you're saying is that Rusev should be put with someone like Ziggler. Who can carry himself and then some (as well as wrestle circles around Rusev) and then Rusev should go over because he's capable. Imo Rusev has done nothing to prove he deserves any of the spotlight he has. His gimmick has been done TO DEATH (Slaughter, Hassan, Daivari, Iron Sheik, Volkoff, Freddie Blassie, etc, etc, etc......) and all of them have done a better job with it than Lana and Rusev have to this point. In all reality he deserves Henry and Big Show because if he got put in the ring with someone who could go, I truly believe he would look gassed and out of place, as he has in his recent matches with Swagger and Henry. Watch the Rusev vs Ziggler match from NXT 8/21/13 (same episode as Zayn/Cesaro 2/3 Falls). That's not Ziggler carrying him to a good match. That's two men working together to put on a good match.
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Post by Happy Pizza on Sept 28, 2014 10:31:09 GMT -5
You clearly didn't watch Smackdown or NOC then and see the guy gassed halfway through the match. He may not be as fat as Rikishi but the guy isnt exactly in shape either. I don't watch Smackdown because it's just a replay of already-bloated Raw, but I have seen all his PPV matches to date. He didn't seem too blown up to me in the last one. Maybe a little, but that was probably the longest match of his career, and most likely the first time with an opponent bigger and stronger than himself. He's still green and to be honest his style probably only works if he has a size advantage and can slow down the pace. Generally speaking, though, athletes that large don't typically possess great cardiovascular endurance. As a UFC fighter, Lesnar was usually gassed after five minutes, and he trained months for those fights. If anything, I would hope that WWE writes that in as a weakness for if and when he ultimately loses. You can't match his physicality, so you have to use the timeless strategy of wearing him out in a war of attrition.
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Post by Kanenite on Sept 28, 2014 11:36:09 GMT -5
He comes off really bland to me.
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Post by Mr. McCluer on Sept 28, 2014 11:51:01 GMT -5
I'm not American. And I cannot stand Anti-American gimmicks. I think it's cheap and stupid. Insults my intelligence honestly.
But since Mohammad Hussien, I think Rusev and Lana are the best at it.
Obviously they in no way have Hussien Heat but they are doing pretty well.
I think that Rusev can be huge. I think he'll do great at this gimmick and there can be some longevity to it, if it is done correctly.
He needs to go over credible opponents though.
Swagger and Henry are awesome. Especially Swagger. I really like him and believe he should be huge.
But he needs to go over Orton, Cena, Bryan, Reignns, Ambrose, Rollins. Someone main-eventing and is a hero to he masses.
For longevity to take place he needs big wins.
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Post by Emerald Enthusiast on Sept 28, 2014 23:11:09 GMT -5
I'm finding it hard to believe that some short stocky fat guy is supposed to be able to dominate collegiate athletes like Swagger and world class weight lifters like Mark Henry. Wut. Couple things. Jack Swagger's physique is about as impressive as Rusev's, regardless of their respective ahthletic backgrounds. Second, I do not understand how one could see Henry as an elite athlete but Rusev as "some fat guy." They have the same background. Powerlifting. Powerlifting places a priority on raw strength and not aesthetics. Being shorter can actually help to lift heavier weights because the range of motion is reduced compared to a taller person. For example, here's powerlifter Hafthor Bjornsson. This man is not as ripped as John Cena... but he can deadlift 1000 pounds. Brodus Clay and Rikishi are fat guys. In a real fight, Rusev could probably dismember somebody. If he was beating Jack Swagger in amateur wrestling contests or Kofi Kingston in a broad jump competition then sure, these complaints would be warranted. But he's being booked as a brute who just overpowers his opponents, and wrestling ability aside, physically he looks the part. Yes, Rusev has the thick physique of functional muscle. It's common to powerlifters and certainly not what I'd term as fat. He's certainly credible because he's obviously quite strong and unusually mobile for someone his size. He'll probably never get to the level of Lesnar, but we've seen brute/monster types co-exist on the roster for years.
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Post by BØRNS on Sept 28, 2014 23:52:30 GMT -5
Rusev is nothing. He is overly protected in booking. Ryback was a WAY better monster and threat before losing to Henry and Cena.
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Post by Rob on Sept 29, 2014 1:09:45 GMT -5
Rusev is just another Umaga/Ryback type character when they come in and dominate nobodies and get "overcame" during their first meaningful feud. He is already showing signs of weakness by getting knocked out by Big Show. Basically they are just using the "never been pinned/submitted" while making him look like crap.
Hell, Go back to Brock during his monster squash push(which wasn't done to death at the time) and you can tell it was something special happening. He was already in a WWE Title feud in the time Rusev's been in WWE and Rusev is still lingering around facing meaningless "temporary american heros".
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Post by The Mask of Truth on Sept 29, 2014 3:21:36 GMT -5
He's a shoeless fat-ass with a hot girlfriend.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2014 3:31:56 GMT -5
He's a shoeless fat-ass with a hot girlfriend. Post of the year. What fantastic, in depth analysis.
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Post by The Mask of Truth on Sept 29, 2014 4:05:28 GMT -5
He's a shoeless fat-ass with a hot girlfriend. Post of the year. What fantastic, in depth analysis. Thanks, I just say what I see...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2014 4:06:37 GMT -5
Post of the year. What fantastic, in depth analysis. Thanks, I just say what I see... 2/3 of what you said was right.
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Post by marino13 on Sept 29, 2014 8:38:05 GMT -5
OP is right IMO.
As long as Lesnar is around I will not see Rusev as a legit threat. Rumors are WWE wants Rusev vs Cena. But we just saw Cena push Lesnar to the limit. So there is no way Cena will be or should be viewed as an underdog if he faces Rusev. Rusev is a mid carder monster. And his sole purpose should be to contribute to the mid card titles and mid card talent. Move him any higher and it will only be a matter of time till he is exposed and then sent back down the pecking order.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Sept 29, 2014 9:19:48 GMT -5
OP is right IMO. As long as Lesnar is around I will not see Rusev as a legit threat. Rumors are WWE wants Rusev vs Cena. But we just saw Cena push Lesnar to the limit. So there is no way Cena will be or should be viewed as an underdog if he faces Rusev. Rusev is a mid carder monster. And his sole purpose should be to contribute to the mid card titles and mid card talent. Move him any higher and it will only be a matter of time till he is exposed and then sent back down the pecking order. Basically, after taking Brock Lesnar to the limit, John Cena should be able to demolish Rusev.
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