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Post by Evil Abed on Sept 29, 2014 20:52:15 GMT -5
I'm wondering what everyone's opinion on this would be, but I think the U.S. title should be taken down a notch basically to the #3 singles title, much like how the European title was to the IC title throughout the attitude era.
Now most people would probably say the U.S. title is mostly there anyways but with Sheamus as your champion its hard to put it lower than the IC title. Theres so many guys right now on the roster that are doing absolutely nothing - Axel, Rose, Big E, Xavier, Dallas, Truth, Ryder, etc.... that could be fighting over a title. Much like Val Venis, D-Lo, Blackman, X-Pac and others did back in 98-00.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Sept 29, 2014 20:58:39 GMT -5
I would prefer it that way. If they HAVE to keep the United States Title around, have it be a lower mid-card belt. Give guys like Big E, Axel, Dallas and the other guys you mentioned something to fight for. Better than than meaningless Superstars/Smackdown matches.
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Post by specterkev on Sept 29, 2014 21:02:16 GMT -5
to me it was more the IC title.. second title.. and the TV title more european in importance.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Sept 29, 2014 21:04:24 GMT -5
to me it was more the IC title.. second title.. and the TV title more european in importance. That's how it always was for WCW. I used to see US=IC and TV=European at least. |
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Post by ICW on Sept 29, 2014 22:06:54 GMT -5
They should have a TV title for those lower card guys. Could get them more exposure.
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Post by The Natural Eddy Valintino on Sept 29, 2014 22:14:42 GMT -5
I totally agree that the US Title should be used for lower card guys, not bring or replace a title for another one. Sheamus should lose the belt to someone like Big E or someone not doing anything, have that title showcased mostly on Smackdown to give something on Smackdown to look forward to.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Oct 1, 2014 20:15:13 GMT -5
Theres so many guys right now on the roster that are doing absolutely nothing - Axel, Rose, Big E, Xavier, Dallas, Truth, Ryder, etc.... that could be fighting over a title. Nonsense. Sheamus and Cesaro's TV time isn't magically going to be given to R-Truth or Zack Ryder, so making the US title the "reward the jobbers" title wouldn't do any good for the title or the wrestlers. All it would do would be taking a title away from TV and making Sheamus and Cesaro's rematches mean less. The notion that the lowercard jobbers should be rewarded with belts is one of the more stupid fantasy booking notions that people come up with all the time. There are already two midcard singles titles. That's more than enough -- anyone who currently isn't even at US or IC level doesn't deserve to have a new belt made for them or for a current belt to be lowered to their level. The purpose should be to make the US title mean more than it does, not less. |
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Oct 1, 2014 20:34:40 GMT -5
Theres so many guys right now on the roster that are doing absolutely nothing - Axel, Rose, Big E, Xavier, Dallas, Truth, Ryder, etc.... that could be fighting over a title. Nonsense. Sheamus and Cesaro's TV time isn't magically going to be given to R-Truth or Zack Ryder, so making the US title the "reward the jobbers" title wouldn't do any good for the title or the wrestlers. All it would do would be taking a title away from TV and making Sheamus and Cesaro's rematches mean less. The notion that the lowercard jobbers should be rewarded with belts is one of the more stupid fantasy booking notions that people come up with all the time. There are already two midcard singles titles. That's more than enough -- anyone who currently isn't even at US or IC level doesn't deserve to have a new belt made for them or for a current belt to be lowered to their level. The purpose should be to make the US title mean more than it does, not less. I see where you're coming from. However, as you said, taking away the US Title would make Sheamus and Cesaro's rematches mean less. Having a lower card title would mean that the pointless rematches involving guys like Fandango, Bo Dallas, Big E, etc. aren't totally meaningless. We're going to get those guys on television regardless. A title for them to fight for would be preferable to pointless rematches. |
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Oct 1, 2014 20:51:25 GMT -5
Nonsense. Sheamus and Cesaro's TV time isn't magically going to be given to R-Truth or Zack Ryder, so making the US title the "reward the jobbers" title wouldn't do any good for the title or the wrestlers. All it would do would be taking a title away from TV and making Sheamus and Cesaro's rematches mean less. The notion that the lowercard jobbers should be rewarded with belts is one of the more stupid fantasy booking notions that people come up with all the time. There are already two midcard singles titles. That's more than enough -- anyone who currently isn't even at US or IC level doesn't deserve to have a new belt made for them or for a current belt to be lowered to their level. The purpose should be to make the US title mean more than it does, not less. I see where you're coming from. However, as you said, taking away the US Title would make Sheamus and Cesaro's rematches mean less. Having a lower card title would mean that the pointless rematches involving guys like Fandango, Bo Dallas, Big E, etc. aren't totally meaningless. We're going to get those guys on television regardless. A title for them to fight for would be preferable to pointless rematches. It would just switch which of the pointless rematches on a card had a US title attached. If Titus O'Neil vs Adam Rose is on Raw and Smackdown eight weeks in a row with the US title, then the Sheamus vs Cesaro matches on Raw and Smackdown eight weeks in a row in that same period don't have the US title involved. It literally fixes nothing, it just lowers the value of the belt. |
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Oct 1, 2014 20:55:55 GMT -5
I see where you're coming from. However, as you said, taking away the US Title would make Sheamus and Cesaro's rematches mean less. Having a lower card title would mean that the pointless rematches involving guys like Fandango, Bo Dallas, Big E, etc. aren't totally meaningless. We're going to get those guys on television regardless. A title for them to fight for would be preferable to pointless rematches. It would just switch which of the pointless rematches on a card had a US title attached. If Titus O'Neil vs Adam Rose is on Raw and Smackdown eight weeks in a row with the US title, then the Sheamus vs Cesaro matches on Raw and Smackdown eight weeks in a row in that same period don't have the US title involved. It literally fixes nothing, it just lowers the value of the belt. I totally just realized that I would be switching it. I was thinking that an actual European Title was involved for the lower card guys, giving both Cesaro/Sheamus and Titus/Rose titles. I see what you mean though. |
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Post by Thunder Chunky on Oct 1, 2014 22:44:51 GMT -5
One thing about the United States title confuses me.
If the Intercontinental Title is for every continent, wouldnt that,in kayfabe, make it a world title? Why would the title of one country be equal to the whole world? It doesnt make sense.
I like the Sheamus/Cesaro series. At least theres a reason for them to fight.
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Post by TurboEddie on Oct 1, 2014 22:56:46 GMT -5
With all of the European wrestlers WWE now has, they might as well bring back the European title.
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Post by Joe/Smurf on Oct 1, 2014 23:03:49 GMT -5
I think the U.S. title is more like the Light Heavyweight Title when Gillberg won it. Yeah, somebody has it, but we never actually see it defended on television.
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Post by McBlake on Oct 2, 2014 6:14:38 GMT -5
Random unrelated question: was their ever a restriction on the European title that allowed only Europeans to compete for it? If not, does it really matter how many their are currently on the roster? See people using that as a reason to bring it back quite often.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2014 6:46:32 GMT -5
European title had more value than the US title does at this point.
It's useless. Get rid of the damn thing.
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Post by Kanenite on Oct 2, 2014 9:58:24 GMT -5
I thought that was where they were going with it a couple of months ago, but they are back to making it seem as both titles are equals.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Oct 2, 2014 10:39:16 GMT -5
I think the U.S. title is more like the Light Heavyweight Title when Gillberg won it. Yeah, somebody has it, but we never actually see it defended on television. Sheamus has actually had a fair amount of television/Pay-Per-View title defenses. Most of them don't mean much but he has. |
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Post by Slim on Oct 2, 2014 10:40:48 GMT -5
This would be great, There's a lot of wrestlers that do NOTHING in WWE. Absolutly nothing..
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2014 6:12:42 GMT -5
Theres so many guys right now on the roster that are doing absolutely nothing - Axel, Rose, Big E, Xavier, Dallas, Truth, Ryder, etc.... that could be fighting over a title. Nonsense. Sheamus and Cesaro's TV time isn't magically going to be given to R-Truth or Zack Ryder, so making the US title the "reward the jobbers" title wouldn't do any good for the title or the wrestlers. All it would do would be taking a title away from TV and making Sheamus and Cesaro's rematches mean less. The notion that the lowercard jobbers should be rewarded with belts is one of the more stupid fantasy booking notions that people come up with all the time. There are already two midcard singles titles. That's more than enough -- anyone who currently isn't even at US or IC level doesn't deserve to have a new belt made for them or for a current belt to be lowered to their level. The purpose should be to make the US title mean more than it does, not less. The lower card wrestlers should have a title to fight for. They need a kayfabe reason to be employed. They should get rid of the U.S. Title. Yes there are two midcard singles titles. But there should only be one. Guys like Sheamus and Cesaro shouldn't be fighting for the U.S. Title because they should be mixing it up with Ziggler and Miz over the IC Title or chasing after the WWE World Title (if it weren't stuck on Lesnar). We basically have two belts that are on the same level when there should only be one belt for the upper midcarders to fight over and one belt for the lower card guys to fight for and do something other than job constantly. |
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Oct 3, 2014 6:15:19 GMT -5
The lower card wrestlers should have a title to fight for. They need a kayfabe reason to be employed. They have one -- getting into contention for the championships that already exist. Stupidest thing in the world to make a belt for the Justin Gabriels of the world. If they want a belt so bad but aren't prepared to improve to the point of reaching midcard level, let them make their own belt. Zack Ryder did. |
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