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Post by BDF Wrestling Action! Owner on Feb 6, 2015 4:15:51 GMT -5
You know what I miss from WWE matches? The drama of seeing if someone would be able to raise their arm at 3 when they were in a sleeper hold!
Just seeing your favorite superstar overcome the odds (and the submission) and get back into the fight was a sight to see.
In my opinion that move added suspense and drama to most matches. I just don't understand why the wrestlers now can't use it.
How do you all feel about the sleeper hold submission?
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Post by Mr. PerpetuaLynch Motion on Feb 6, 2015 4:25:13 GMT -5
It's because it got to the point where it didn't add any drama, you knew damn well the arm wasn't going to fall for a third time. And if it did (like when Ziggler used the sleeper as his finisher for a couple weeks) it just sucked the air out of people.
The thing I miss (and didn't realize I missed until watching some 2006 stuff) is the commentators explaining why the sleeper hold was such an effective move and what it did to a wrestler. That's what I miss.
Don't people still do sleeper holds? Or chinlocks at least.
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Post by RWF on Feb 6, 2015 4:55:15 GMT -5
You used to see a lot more sleeper holds. Not only was it a ton of guys finish back in the 80s, but it was still a pretty regular move in everyone's arsenal through the 90s. Like most things, I'm sure it'll come back around.
Everyone in WWE does reverse chin locks these days. And of course, it's 3/4s of Randy Orton's move set.
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Post by The Mask of Truth on Feb 6, 2015 6:54:20 GMT -5
Nothing like "the million dollar dream"..
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2015 7:10:38 GMT -5
I miss the 10 punches against the turnbuckle, the test of strength and good tag team matches.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2015 10:58:26 GMT -5
I was just talking about this with The Kevstaaa in our latest podcast episode (cheap plug). |
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Post by The Champ is Here! on Feb 6, 2015 11:01:01 GMT -5
I also miss great tag team matches
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2015 11:16:50 GMT -5
I miss the 10 punches against the turnbuckle, the test of strength and good tag team matches. Totally forgot that guys used to step onto the first or 2nd rope and do 10 punches and occasionally get caught at like 8 |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2015 11:19:38 GMT -5
It's because it got to the point where it didn't add any drama, you knew damn well the arm wasn't going to fall for a third time. And if it did (like when Ziggler used the sleeper as his finisher for a couple weeks) it just sucked the air out of people. The thing I miss (and didn't realize I missed until watching some 2006 stuff) is the commentators explaining why the sleeper hold was such an effective move and what it did to a wrestler. That's what I miss. Don't people still do sleeper holds? Or chinlocks at least. I remember a few months ago rusev and jack swagger had a match with Swagger being unconscious after he put The Accolade on him if that counts. |
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Post by Mr. PerpetuaLynch Motion on Feb 6, 2015 11:32:51 GMT -5
It's because it got to the point where it didn't add any drama, you knew damn well the arm wasn't going to fall for a third time. And if it did (like when Ziggler used the sleeper as his finisher for a couple weeks) it just sucked the air out of people. The thing I miss (and didn't realize I missed until watching some 2006 stuff) is the commentators explaining why the sleeper hold was such an effective move and what it did to a wrestler. That's what I miss. Don't people still do sleeper holds? Or chinlocks at least. I remember a few months ago rusev and jack swagger had a match with Swagger being unconscious after he put The Accolade on him if that counts. I dunno if it's quite the same but that does kinda prove my point of it sucking the air out of the crowd. I think the WWE just remembers the way the crowd reacted that time Austin passed out in the Sharpshooter and assume the crowd will react the same way everytime the face passes out in a submission when more often than not that's not the case. The face passing out is one of the SAWFTest finishes possible |
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Post by punksnotdead on Feb 6, 2015 11:41:57 GMT -5
Nuance in wrestling is pretty much completely gone. When guys do stuff that is throwback it immediately stands out. You know, little stuff, like piledrivers... haha.
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Post by sitruC on Feb 6, 2015 11:58:55 GMT -5
Yeah I agree, same goes for Bear Hugs too. The last one I remember was Lesnar putting Hogan in it.
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Post by Tyler Black on Feb 6, 2015 12:40:13 GMT -5
I wouldn't mind if sleeper holds or bear hugs never came back. They're boring and well, put me to sleep.
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Feb 6, 2015 12:42:27 GMT -5
Don't worry, when Randy Orton comes back you'll get all the rest holds you could ever want!
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Feb 6, 2015 12:52:51 GMT -5
I miss the 10 punches against the turnbuckle We still get those any time that WrestleMania has an Undertaker vs Guy Undertaker Can't Powerbomb Normally match. It's gonna be pretty weird actually in a couple of months to see Bray Wyatt suddenly decide "I'm at an early nineties house show" and climb up for the ten-punch. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2015 13:00:03 GMT -5
I miss the 10 punches against the turnbuckle We still get those any time that WrestleMania has an Undertaker vs Guy Undertaker Can't Powerbomb Normally match. It's gonna be pretty weird actually in a couple of months to see Bray Wyatt suddenly decide "I'm at an early nineties house show" and climb up for the ten-punch. That's true. @bashcrashwiley and The Kevstaaa actually were talking about how lame it is for guys to do spots that they've never done before just because it'll counter into a spot/move that the other guy will do in their podcast. Frankly I love Undertaker and look forward to his matches every year, but my interest in a match with Bray is about as low as it could be. There's a roster full of guys that would have a way better match than Bray could. At this point in his career, Undertaker needs someone who can hold their own and elevate him. |
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Post by T R W on Feb 6, 2015 13:00:01 GMT -5
I miss it. Sure the move itself isn't exciting. But moves like that, to me, help build emotion in the match. The idea that you are wearing down the opponent so you can finish them off later. Now there are just finishers flying left and right, and there is hardly any build or emotion at all. That's why when we occasionally do get a match with a good dramatic build it stands out and everyone loses their mind.
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Post by theMOESIAH on Feb 7, 2015 9:55:28 GMT -5
It would only provide drama to a match if guys would occasionally win with it.
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Post by ~*Young $ Money*~ on Feb 7, 2015 10:01:34 GMT -5
The reason it's gone is because of how scripted the matches are today. In wrestling school they teach you to use them as a rest hold if you get winded or if you forget what's next or need to fill in the match. The ref would raise the arm just to add a little suspense instead of seeing two guys sitting there. I agree they were good here and there and are missed.
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