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Post by cordless2016 on Mar 21, 2015 7:17:25 GMT -5
Yup.....and it would only get worse. He got totally hung out to dry by the crowd at WM22 against HHH. Hunters theory that Jericho and then Angle "simply weren't good enough heels" went out the window that night...... All I have to say is I was genuinely shocked when Triple H jobbed via submission against John Cena. I try not to look back at 2006 at times. I was always pissed they gave cena a submission that he doesn't even apply right and had him make guys like HHH tap out. It wasn't believale. When Benoit made him tap out it was an amazing moment. When cena did it fans were like "wtf?" It Also pissed me off that cena made Benoit tap in a 6 minute match on raw while it took angle almost 30 minutes at the 2003 rr to do it.
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Post by cordless2016 on Mar 21, 2015 7:19:16 GMT -5
That theory has always been nonsense... and the fact that H allegedly thought that and then acted the way he did during his program with Cena is just embarrassing. No character in wrestling has ever been more infuriating than Cool Heel HHH. Except Cena. So very true.....I still firmly believe Rey's title win should have been given another 10 minutes(and HHHs entrance f*cking shortened) and it should have went on last. Rey got screwed at WM22. That triple threat match had the crowd really going and then it's like they just ended it out of nowhere. The match should have gone longer and instead we got HHH and Cena's crappy entrances and an average match at best.
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Post by BrIaNMeRcY on Mar 21, 2015 7:40:01 GMT -5
So very true.....I still firmly believe Rey's title win should have been given another 10 minutes(and HHHs entrance f*cking shortened) and it should have went on last. Rey got screwed at WM22. That triple threat match had the crowd really going and then it's like they just ended it out of nowhere. The match should have gone longer and instead we got HHH and Cena's crappy entrances and an average match at best. What really hurt the WrestleMania 22 card was the amount of matches on there. I though John Cena and Triple H's entrances were fine and the match was average. Looking at the card, it could have benefited the WWE having an hour long pre-show. You could have placed the World Tag Team Championship match, the Boogeyman vs. Booker T & Sharmell, and Candice Michelle vs. Torrie Wilson on there. When I watched it live, I was already tired two hours in. How did this thread get sidetracked into a mini-discussion about WrestleMania 22?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2015 9:31:59 GMT -5
Yup.....and it would only get worse. He got totally hung out to dry by the crowd at WM22 against HHH. Hunters theory that Jericho and then Angle "simply weren't good enough heels" went out the window that night...... All I have to say is I was genuinely shocked when Triple H jobbed via submission against John Cena. I try not to look back at 2006 at times. I was too man!!
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Post by k5 on Mar 21, 2015 18:13:56 GMT -5
neither! i thought both suck and basically still do..
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Post by mikey1974 on Mar 22, 2015 14:30:31 GMT -5
Let me point this out first. Batista and John Cena's ascension was organic. When Batista was in Evolution, he had the makings of a main eventer. John Cena had matches against the likes of Kurt Angle and The Undertaker giving him the rub in 2003. Come 2004, it was becoming clear the WWE had big plans for both Cena and Batista. When Cena defeated the Big Show at WrestleMania XX to capture the United States Championship. This meant that they wanted Cena to hold a secondary championship during his ascension. Now Batista, who was the muscle of Evolution had just about had it with Triple H hogging the spotlight. Come 2005, both men were on the verge of becoming world champions. Of the two, I felt Batista was more ready than Cena. The build for Triple H/Batista was well done whereas the build for JBL/John Cena had a bit left to be desired. If I were to pick one man who I was more into, it would be Batista. In 2005, a lot of fans were just about tired seeing Triple H as a world champion on RAW. JBL was just there. There wasn't much of a build for JBL/Cena at WrestleMania 21. excellent post. perfect summation. 100% agree.
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Post by threehgame on Mar 22, 2015 23:17:42 GMT -5
Not to disagree but Cena was always supposed to be in the title picture by 2005. As was Orton. JR has said a few times in interviews that when he had completed Cena and Orton's contracts within a few days of each other he went to Vince and said he had just locked up the main event for Wrestlemania in 3 or 4 years. What happened with the fans turning on Orton and getting behind Batista was organic as much as it could have been at the time.
In 2005 I liked Batista more but believed Orton was the one to end Triple H as the top heel. I watched Smackdown! and could see it was a matter of time before it was Cena's show. For the dramatic elements Batista's run was far more interesting to me.
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Post by ICW on Mar 22, 2015 23:30:27 GMT -5
Batista. I have never, ever been a fan of John Cena,.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2015 10:00:30 GMT -5
I will say this though.....I hated Batista being booked to annihilate La Resistance on his own when they were tag champs. I remember sitting here thinking....
"damn Tag wrestling has taken a severe nose dive in Vince's estimations....Savage or Hogan would never have been booked to wipe out Demolition like that in 88/89"
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Post by cordless2016 on Mar 23, 2015 13:37:07 GMT -5
I will say this though.....I hated Batista being booked to annihilate La Resistance on his own when they were tag champs. I remember sitting here thinking.... "damn Tag wrestling has taken a severe nose dive in Vince's estimations....Savage or Hogan would never have been booked to wipe out Demolition like that in 88/89" Just shows how much Vince cares about the tag titles. I hated that booking too.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2015 16:10:26 GMT -5
Batista, without a shadow of a doubt. I preferred Cena in '04, but he'd already begun to get on my nerves by WM 21.
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Post by Mike Giggs' Munchies on Mar 24, 2015 14:40:52 GMT -5
I was only rarely able to catch Raw at this time, whereas SmackDown! was readily available on Saturday mornings, so that was what I watched mostly. As a result my answer is both - Cena the first half of the year, and Batista the second. I actually liked Orton more than the both of them - he was the first heel I really supported (apart from maybe The Rock).
Incidentally, I really liked the '5 picks 5 weeks' Draft they did that year and felt they should have kept it up. Really made every single pick feel important. Was this the only year they did it?
Also RE: the WM22 discussion, I consider it to be the most easily 'rebookable' WM ever. That's not to say it was the worst, merely that it had lots of possibilities that did or didn't happen for various reasons. Losing two stars (and likely between them the SmackDown! main event) in Eddie and Batista really didn't help. Anyway, here's what I'd go with for WM 22 below; the only problem is they're all single matches but I suppose that isn't that bad. The only 'great' match we really lose is Foley vs. Edge and I think that is more than made up for.
Trish Stratus (c) vs. Mickie James
Keep this just like real life. I'm making it the opener because it was one of the rare Diva matches people cared about and if I remember correctly it was one of the better ones too.
Rey Mysterio wins MITB
Rey 'does it for Eddie'. Cashes it in RVD style months later and gets a reign that I still firmly believe he deserved and could have been great were he not booked awfully. RVD can still have his match at ONS for the title; no need for the MITB in that story imo. The match can be filled with whoever is left off the card really.
Big Show vs. Kane
The inevitable fight after their tag team run; could have been made out to be a big deal. I'm giving Kane the rub here but the winner isn't important.
JBL vs. Chris Benoit (c)
Fine with this being the same as it was.
HHH vs. Mick Foley
Draw on some real life heat and just let these two go at it. It won't top RR 2000 (which I believe is the greatest match in RR history), but it can still be a slobberknocker.
Shawn Michaels vs. Randy Orton
Another interpromotional match with HBK. I've put Orton to win but it doesn't really matter. Orton was transitioning out of his 'Legend Killer' phase but definitely could have had a great last match under that persona here.
John Cena vs. Edge (c)
This match should have been saved for WM instead of going on the RR.
Undertaker vs. Kurt Angle (c)
These two had a match at NWO the month before and knocked it out the park, but I would've kept it for WM, with UT winning the RR a year early. Deserves the ME for the sheer awesomeness of the match. I saw these two face off in a 30 minute main event at my first ever live show (a house show in 2005) and it was spellbinding; one of the best matches I've ever seen, live or on tv.
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Post by Jonathan Karate on Mar 24, 2015 21:31:20 GMT -5
I was only rarely able to catch Raw at this time, whereas SmackDown! was readily available on Saturday mornings, so that was what I watched mostly. As a result my answer is both - Cena the first half of the year, and Batista the second. I actually liked Orton more than the both of them - he was the first heel I really supported (apart from maybe The Rock). Incidentally, I really liked the '5 picks 5 weeks' Draft they did that year and felt they should have kept it up. Really made every single pick feel important. Was this the only year they did it? Also RE: the WM22 discussion, I consider it to be the most easily 'rebookable' WM ever. That's not to say it was the worst, merely that it had lots of possibilities that did or didn't happen for various reasons. Losing two stars (and likely between them the SmackDown! main event) in Eddie and Batista really didn't help. Anyway, here's what I'd go with for WM 22 below; the only problem is they're all single matches but I suppose that isn't that bad. The only 'great' match we really lose is Foley vs. Edge and I think that is more than made up for. Trish Stratus (c) vs. Mickie JamesKeep this just like real life. I'm making it the opener because it was one of the rare Diva matches people cared about and if I remember correctly it was one of the better ones too. Rey Mysterio wins MITB Rey 'does it for Eddie'. Cashes it in RVD style months later and gets a reign that I still firmly believe he deserved and could have been great were he not booked awfully. RVD can still have his match at ONS for the title; no need for the MITB in that story imo. The match can be filled with whoever is left off the card really. Big Show vs. KaneThe inevitable fight after their tag team run; could have been made out to be a big deal. I'm giving Kane the rub here but the winner isn't important. JBL vs. Chris Benoit (c) Fine with this being the same as it was. HHH vs. Mick Foley Draw on some real life heat and just let these two go at it. It won't top RR 2000 (which I believe is the greatest match in RR history), but it can still be a slobberknocker. Shawn Michaels vs. Randy OrtonAnother interpromotional match with HBK. I've put Orton to win but it doesn't really matter. Orton was transitioning out of his 'Legend Killer' phase but definitely could have had a great last match under that persona here. John Cena vs. Edge (c) This match should have been saved for WM instead of going on the RR. Undertaker vs. Kurt Angle (c) These two had a match at NWO the month before and knocked it out the park, but I would've kept it for WM, with UT winning the RR a year early. Deserves the ME for the sheer awesomeness of the match. I saw these two face off in a 30 minute main event at my first ever live show (a house show in 2005) and it was spellbinding; one of the best matches I've ever seen, live or on tv. Kurt REALLY deserved something alot better at Mania 22, Rey and Orton as well. Whoever decided that the entrances should be longer then the match was a god damn ass hat.
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Post by TeamratedCDS on Mar 24, 2015 21:34:17 GMT -5
I was kinda a fan of both equally. I've enjoyed everything they've both done in their careers so yeah.
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Post by POOR-ly Cuyler on Mar 25, 2015 12:10:59 GMT -5
Both of them were the reason I lost interest in pro wrestling. 2005 was cool tho. Got my first car, lots of dates. Cena and batista tho...terrible.
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