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Post by /X Metal Sorenges x "Mac Oh J~ on Mar 21, 2015 21:57:53 GMT -5
This video and it's massive boiling stew of faulty reasoning and pretense almost had me in a state of unrest. I'll let that be all I have to say about it. tiny.cc/0uv6vx |
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Post by Mox on Mar 21, 2015 22:01:58 GMT -5
Video doesn't work. What's it about?
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Post by /X Metal Sorenges x "Mac Oh J~ on Mar 21, 2015 22:04:36 GMT -5
Video doesn't work. What's it about? Relink. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2015 23:03:32 GMT -5
I have no stance but on the subject:
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Post by theMOESIAH on Mar 21, 2015 23:39:22 GMT -5
I am very extreme when it comes to this topic, but I think that posting this is just asking for trouble.
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Post by BrIaNMeRcY on Mar 22, 2015 10:15:27 GMT -5
Not to launch a debate on this subject, there is always a major consequence when firearms land into the wrong hands. Even after close to 16 years, the events of Columbine and the massacre that happened is still fresh in my mind. When the Virginia Tech Massacre happened, a lot of people in my old high school were talking about it. I have more to say but I am choosing to end this here.
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Post by f1gh7er on Mar 27, 2015 22:25:35 GMT -5
I really do not mean to start any debates or hate comments or any kind of disputes by this comment. I am a RESPONSIBLE firearms owner. I have done Gunsmith classes and studied alot of firearms in the last 5-6 years. Although I'm only 22 years old I only know so much, with that being said, I recognize I don't know every since thing about firearms and firearms owners and I can only speak for myself and not all the gun owners in the world or USA. I truly down in my heart and bones believe that yes their are both people like me who respect their guns and take every safety measure there is and also there are many many many people who use firearms in negative ways. I can see it from both sides because yes there is a problem with people who are mentally unstable getting their hands on guns and using them in ways they should NEVER be used. Guns should only be used in defensive, training, hobby, and hunting ways. I hunt and go to the range whenever I get the option but I would NEVER use my guns irresponsibly. Some how (my two cents here and just my opinion, since we all have one) there needs to be a mental health screening before purchasing firearms. Why ruin people's hunting, hobby, and defensive needs because of some bad apples. Plusssss firearms are out there and as we ALLLLLLLL know, criminals don't follow the laws anyway.
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Post by theMOESIAH on Apr 2, 2015 0:16:45 GMT -5
I really do not mean to start any debates or hate comments or any kind of disputes by this comment. I am a RESPONSIBLE firearms owner. I have done Gunsmith classes and studied alot of firearms in the last 5-6 years. Although I'm only 22 years old I only know so much, with that being said, I recognize I don't know every since thing about firearms and firearms owners and I can only speak for myself and not all the gun owners in the world or USA. I truly down in my heart and bones believe that yes their are both people like me who respect their guns and take every safety measure there is and also there are many many many people who use firearms in negative ways. I can see it from both sides because yes there is a problem with people who are mentally unstable getting their hands on guns and using them in ways they should NEVER be used. Guns should only be used in defensive, training, hobby, and hunting ways. I hunt and go to the range whenever I get the option but I would NEVER use my guns irresponsibly. Some how (my two cents here and just my opinion, since we all have one) there needs to be a mental health screening before purchasing firearms. Why ruin people's hunting, hobby, and defensive needs because of some bad apples. Plusssss firearms are out there and as we ALLLLLLLL know, criminals don't follow the laws anyway. In America, 30 people die from gun violence every day. 30 people. If Tylenol killed half as many people it would be banned immediately. Or what if there was a bomb detonated in random cities everyday that killed 30 people? What do you think people's response would be? The damage guns cause vastly outweighs their meager benefits. And the "criminals won't follow the law anyway" argument is irrelevant. Guns have been banned in other countries successfully before without having those problems. I'll never understand why so many Americans think that things that work elsewhere won't work here (see: healthcare; drug decriminalization; fair and competitive TV and internet prices) |
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Post by f1gh7er on Apr 2, 2015 7:47:14 GMT -5
I really do not mean to start any debates or hate comments or any kind of disputes by this comment. I am a RESPONSIBLE firearms owner. I have done Gunsmith classes and studied alot of firearms in the last 5-6 years. Although I'm only 22 years old I only know so much, with that being said, I recognize I don't know every since thing about firearms and firearms owners and I can only speak for myself and not all the gun owners in the world or USA. I truly down in my heart and bones believe that yes their are both people like me who respect their guns and take every safety measure there is and also there are many many many people who use firearms in negative ways. I can see it from both sides because yes there is a problem with people who are mentally unstable getting their hands on guns and using them in ways they should NEVER be used. Guns should only be used in defensive, training, hobby, and hunting ways. I hunt and go to the range whenever I get the option but I would NEVER use my guns irresponsibly. Some how (my two cents here and just my opinion, since we all have one) there needs to be a mental health screening before purchasing firearms. Why ruin people's hunting, hobby, and defensive needs because of some bad apples. Plusssss firearms are out there and as we ALLLLLLLL know, criminals don't follow the laws anyway. In America, 30 people die from gun violence every day. 30 people. If Tylenol killed half as many people it would be banned immediately. Or what if there was a bomb detonated in random cities everyday that killed 30 people? What do you think people's response would be? The damage guns cause vastly outweighs their meager benefits. And the "criminals won't follow the law anyway" argument is irrelevant. Guns have been banned in other countries successfully before without having those problems. I'll never understand why so many Americans think that things that work elsewhere won't work here (see: healthcare; drug decriminalization; fair and competitive TV and internet prices) While you are possibly right with the "30 people" thing (which I don't know where you got that number), I agree with you in two ways. First way being Tylenol is a over the counter medicine and can just be bought by just about anybody. Firearms on the other hand in the US you have to go through a federal criminal background check. Plus you have to be 18 to buy a long gun and 21 to buy a handgun. I wish they had some kind of possible mental check before buying firearms also. If they did chances are we might not be having this conversation lol. Second way I agree with you is that the US isn't really the smartest when it comes to their laws and bans (Just my OPINION, not that it matters). We could easily have free healthcare like our friends to the north in Canada. One last little thing, a little food for thought, the FBI has said in areas where there are more concealed carry holders, the lower the violent crime rate is. This post as well as my first post are just simply my opinion. I just ask that we all respect others opinions as we do our own. |
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Post by theMOESIAH on Apr 2, 2015 9:26:29 GMT -5
f1gh7erThe FBI has never issued any statement about guns lowering violence, that's not what they do. It was actually a study done by two economists -- John Lott and David Mustard. It was first released in a book called 'More Guns Less Crime' and has been heavily cited by the NRA over the years. However, in 2004, a committee of the National Research Council of the National Academies devoted a chapter in a report titled “Firearms and Violence: A Critical Review” examining Lott’s research. The report concluded: All of that came directly from here: www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/do-concealed-weapon-laws-result-in-less-crime/2012/12/16/e80a5d7e-47c9-11e2-ad54-580638ede391_blog.html You can find this information pretty much anywhere though. I found several pages with stocks saying more out less the same thing. You are absolutely welcome to your opinion, but just make sure you've got all the facts. One bad thing about living in the information age is that lies and incorrect information is just as easily accessible as the truth and that it's a very difficult thing to fight. And as for my comment on 30 people dying a day on this country from gun violence, I got that from Pete Dominick who hosts a show on SiriusXM. He is s very reliable source and I feel comfortable taking his word on any subject. But I did a quick Bing search and found an article that mentions that figure but I admit I only skinned the article. www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/31/president-obama-gun-control-push
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Post by f1gh7er on Apr 2, 2015 10:10:08 GMT -5
f1gh7erThe FBI has never issued any statement about guns lowering violence, that's not what they do. It was actually a study done by two economists -- John Lott and David Mustard. It was first released in a book called 'More Guns Less Crime' and has been heavily cited by the NRA over the years. However, in 2004, a committee of the National Research Council of the National Academies devoted a chapter in a report titled “Firearms and Violence: A Critical Review” examining Lott’s research. The report concluded: All of that came directly from here: www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/do-concealed-weapon-laws-result-in-less-crime/2012/12/16/e80a5d7e-47c9-11e2-ad54-580638ede391_blog.html You can find this information pretty much anywhere though. I found several pages with stocks saying more out less the same thing. You are absolutely welcome to your opinion, but just make sure you've got all the facts. One bad thing about living in the information age is that lies and incorrect information is just as easily accessible as the truth and that it's a very difficult thing to fight. And as for my comment on 30 people dying a day on this country from gun violence, I got that from Pete Dominick who hosts a show on SiriusXM. He is s very reliable source and I feel comfortable taking his word on any subject. But I did a quick Bing search and found an article that mentions that figure but I admit I only skinned the article. www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/31/president-obama-gun-control-push Totally fair enough. Good job doing your homework and thank you for informing me of all this. Very interesting stuff here. I apologize for my FBI statement, as I was miss informed by what I thought was a reliable source... Anyway thanks for the information and for the correction. I just wish we could magically create a system of keeping guns from the people with bad intentions. Sadly it may never happen but I just wish and hope someday it will all work out for everybody. We need a fair median for both sides but what do we all have to go though to get there......  |
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Post by Nivro™ on Apr 2, 2015 21:58:09 GMT -5
I really do not mean to start any debates or hate comments or any kind of disputes by this comment. I am a RESPONSIBLE firearms owner. I have done Gunsmith classes and studied alot of firearms in the last 5-6 years. Although I'm only 22 years old I only know so much, with that being said, I recognize I don't know every since thing about firearms and firearms owners and I can only speak for myself and not all the gun owners in the world or USA. I truly down in my heart and bones believe that yes their are both people like me who respect their guns and take every safety measure there is and also there are many many many people who use firearms in negative ways. I can see it from both sides because yes there is a problem with people who are mentally unstable getting their hands on guns and using them in ways they should NEVER be used. Guns should only be used in defensive, training, hobby, and hunting ways. I hunt and go to the range whenever I get the option but I would NEVER use my guns irresponsibly. Some how (my two cents here and just my opinion, since we all have one) there needs to be a mental health screening before purchasing firearms. Why ruin people's hunting, hobby, and defensive needs because of some bad apples. Plusssss firearms are out there and as we ALLLLLLLL know, criminals don't follow the laws anyway. And the "criminals won't follow the law anyway" argument is irrelevant. Guns have been banned in other countries successfully before without having those problems. I'll never understand why so many Americans think that things that work elsewhere won't work here (see: healthcare; drug decriminalization; fair and competitive TV and internet prices) Aprox 3,287 a day or 1.3 million per year die in automobile accidents......You driving to work/school tomorrow? |
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Post by theMOESIAH on Apr 2, 2015 22:07:56 GMT -5
In America, 30 people die from gun violence every day. 30 people. If Tylenol killed half as many people it would be banned immediately. Or what if there was a bomb detonated in random cities everyday that killed 30 people? What do you think people's response would be? The damage guns cause vastly outweighs their meager benefits.And the "criminals won't follow the law anyway" argument is irrelevant. Guns have been banned in other countries successfully before without having those problems. I'll never understand why so many Americans think that things that work elsewhere won't work here (see: healthcare; drug decriminalization; fair and competitive TV and internet prices) Aprox 3,287 a day or 1.3 million per year die in automobile accidents......You driving to work/school tomorrow? Completely irrelevant. 1. Cars were not created to kill, guns were. If you'd like to point out the number vehicular homicides then you might have something. Assuming that that number is very high, which I'm sure it isn't. 2. Guns are not a necessity like they are for many people in many parts of the country. You can live without a gun, it's very difficult -- of not impossible -- to live without a car. Depending on where you live of course. |
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Post by Nivro™ on Apr 2, 2015 22:39:28 GMT -5
Aprox 3,287 a day or 1.3 million per year die in automobile accidents......You driving to work/school tomorrow? Completely irrelevant. 1. Cars were not created to kill, guns were. If you'd like to point out the number vehicular homicides then you might have something. Assuming that that number is very high, which I'm sure it isn't. 2. Guns are not a necessity like they are for many people in many parts of the country. You can live without a gun, it's very difficult -- of not impossible -- to live without a car. Depending on where you live of course. You only find it irrelevant because it goes against the point you want to make. Your argument is/was "guns kill"....I pointed out a fact that automobiles kill A LOT more people then guns. Then you wanted to change my argument to the number of vehicular homicides, in that case you should change your argument to "how many people are MURDERED by guns per year/day as an act of crime" and not generalized by "X amount of people die from guns per year/day". Automobiles arent a necessity, they're a privilege. We've only been using automobiles for the past 130 years. We've had guns for nearly 1000 years. A car doesnt kill someone, the driver does. A gun doesnt kill someone, the shooter does. The common misconception is that every American is walking around like John Wayne with guns strapped to them shooting everything. Less than 50% of American adults own firearms (most surveys list it at around 30%-40%). Less then 2% of criminals (people with with various crimes on their record) admit to owning a fire arm. Washington DC is has some of the most strict gun control laws in the United States, they also have one of the highest murder rates in the country and saw their murder stats RISE while the rest of the country's rates dropped. You along with everyone else is more then welcome to their opinions. But understand that its just that, opinions. There is no right/wrong in an opinion. Statistics are a lot more factual accurate then opinions. If you want facts about gun control and the safety of responsible gun owners, then read about the facts.. gunowners.org/fs0404.htm P.S. I don't own a gun |
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Post by Word™ on Apr 3, 2015 0:29:25 GMT -5
They should give every American citizen a bottle of Prozac and a fully loaded hand gun.
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Post by Tim of thee on Apr 3, 2015 1:09:15 GMT -5
The thing I find most fascinating when discussing this topic is how quickly people are willing to give up their rights.
The second amendment insures all our rights. It was written in right after the 1st amendment (which grants us freedom of speech, assembly, expression, etc..) for a reason.
The freedom to own a firearm is a right, end of story.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2015 5:41:25 GMT -5
I think the gun debate is a plot by the illuminati to keep us fighting with each other so we don't pay attention to what's really going on.
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Post by TheNinthCloud on Apr 3, 2015 22:25:46 GMT -5
Don't want the second amendment taken away, but I wouldn't be opposed to gun safety courses being required to own a gun.
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Post by f1gh7er on Apr 3, 2015 22:57:06 GMT -5
Don't want the second amendment taken away, but I wouldn't be oppose to gun safety courses being required to own a gun. That would be nice! In a few states in order to get a permit to carry, you are required to go through a safety course. Also I know in my state of Indiana, in order to hunt deer and I believe other wildlife (which is a very popular thing here), you must go through a one time safety course. |
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Post by TheNinthCloud on Apr 3, 2015 23:16:10 GMT -5
Don't want the second amendment taken away, but I wouldn't be oppose to gun safety courses being required to own a gun. That would be nice! In a few states in order to get a permit to carry, you are required to go through a safety course. Also I know in my state of Indiana, in order to hunt deer and I believe other wildlife (which is a very popular thing here), you must go through a one time safety course. I had to go through an education/safety course to get a license to hunt. (Minor at the time so I wasn't able to own a gun.) It was fairly straight forward and really emphasized about four main rules. (The gun is always loaded, don't point at what you don't want to kill, etc.) I feel like everyone should have to go through something like that. Certainly won't stop some gun owners from being irresponsible, but I'm often surprised about how little people think when they hold them. I don't really want to commit myself to a side here. Definitely do not like the NRA, but I'm absolutely against taking everyone's guns away. Nirvo made a good point by drawing a parallel with driving. An alarming number of people lack discipline with dangerous activities like driving and shooting guns. (Texting and driving/finger in the trigger guard) Best way to handle this, rather than taking more rights away, is educating the users with a stringent process to get your license, and the government doing it's part with ad campaigns to raise awareness. |
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