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Post by Ian from 616Entertainment. on May 6, 2015 0:14:24 GMT -5
Him lying on the floor looking unconscious for about 15 seconds begs to differ. That and he's John Cena, the hero of the company. Zayn showed up with a ringing endorsement from ing Bret Hart and took it to John Cena in a Title match on RAW. It never ends.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2015 0:20:48 GMT -5
John Cena is a horrible wrestler. He's actually far from horrible, but I know you hate him, so I'll leave it at that.
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Post by Falconsinclair on May 6, 2015 0:42:56 GMT -5
Plain and simple Cena made Sami Zayn look like a million bucks.
Throughout the match, which Zayn either entered the shoulder injury or developed it during the course of the match, Zayn managed to break the STFU, kick out of the AA and reverse the 5 Knuckle Shuffle into a pin. The match ended with Zayn taking both the springboard stunner and the AA. Two fairly impressive moves in their own right.
You really couldn't have asked for a better singles debut for Sami. The Montreal crowd ate everything up, and so did I watching at home.
I don't think we were going to see Zayn on Raw again until at least after the next NXT Special, but if the shoulder injury is bad it will just push his full time call up further back. The match with Cena showed the WWE Universe that Zayn is ready to hang with the main roster and could easily be a threat shortly after he makes the full time transition.
I can't wait to hear if Sami's injury is serious or not. On the bright side he will probably have at least two weeks off between now and the NXT Special to hopefully quickly rehab the shoulder for Owens.
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on May 6, 2015 0:47:35 GMT -5
*shakes head in disbelief*
Some of these comments are mind blowing. Again, Cena got DDT'd on the floor. He popped back up after Zayn threw him in the ring like it was nothing!! The art of selling is long gone, and it appears the fans don't have a clue anymore either.
Ugh.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2015 0:49:50 GMT -5
*shakes head in disbelief* Some of these comments are mind blowing. Again, Cena got DDT'd on the floor. He popped back up after Zayn threw him in the ring like it was nothing!! The art of selling is long gone, and it appears the fans don't have a clue anymore either. Ugh. No, no we "have a clue" but it's something top guys have been doing for YEARS. It's nothing new. To act like it's something exclusive to Cena is flat out ignorance.
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Post by Planktung on May 6, 2015 0:53:49 GMT -5
People are only complaining about this because Sami Zayn was involved.
Match was great. Zayn having THAT kind of showing against the face of the company is unprecedented for an NXT star. Get over it.
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Post by King Silva on May 6, 2015 1:33:17 GMT -5
Speaking of Cena's selling, the was this? LOL this is so sad... -_- I don't think Cena selling Zayne's DDT on the outside was that bad because a lot of time passed and many top stars can hit their finisher 'out of nowhere' for the win. Take into consideration Zayne already kicked out of the AA, the match was long, and he was injured and he has nothing to be ashamed of. I wish he would have won the belt but eventually I can see him winning it. Maybe he can answer this open challenge again in a month or two?
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Post by Rated [R] NinJa on May 6, 2015 2:27:44 GMT -5
As great as Sami Zayn looked against Cena, I think the main thing that hurt the match was that Cena/Rusev already being booked for Payback. It was great to see Michael Cole call Zayn's moves and even promote the next NXT Takeover too.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2015 5:09:57 GMT -5
I really enjoyed the match and didn't really notice this no sell.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2015 5:28:42 GMT -5
I think it's so sad that Cena can put on so many great matches, with so many different styles of opponents and people still try and say he's terrible at every opportunity.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2015 8:50:49 GMT -5
I think it's so sad that Cena can put on so many great matches, with so many different styles of opponents and people still try and say he's terrible at every opportunity. I think its fair to say that Cena's matches are never bad, its just the majority are average which is understandable if theres two guys who dont do anything out of the ordinary in the ring, like rusev for example. Then he also has the odd match of the year candidate here and there with people like Bryan and Punk.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2015 8:56:08 GMT -5
I think it's so sad that Cena can put on so many great matches, with so many different styles of opponents and people still try and say he's terrible at every opportunity. It's sad that the people who will like this post are the same ones that will be guilty of exactly what you said, but with other guys.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on May 6, 2015 8:58:48 GMT -5
I think it's so sad that Cena can put on so many great matches, with so many different styles of opponents and people still try and say he's terrible at every opportunity. It's sad that the people who will like this post are the same ones that will be guilty of exactly what you said, but with other guys. Did you like it?
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2015 9:00:07 GMT -5
I think it's so sad that Cena can put on so many great matches, with so many different styles of opponents and people still try and say he's terrible at every opportunity. It's sad that the people who will like this post are the same ones that will be guilty of exactly what you said, but with other guys. I liked it. I don't blindly hate workers.
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Post by marino13 on May 6, 2015 10:12:04 GMT -5
I think it's so sad that Cena can put on so many great matches, with so many different styles of opponents and people still try and say he's terrible at every opportunity. It's sad that the people who will like this post are the same ones that will be guilty of exactly what you said, but with other guys. I liked it, and I've even defended Khali & Hornswoggle. So... nope.
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Post by tenup on May 6, 2015 10:35:41 GMT -5
That was his debut? Didnt he have a tag match on Raw last year? You aren't supposed to remember stuff like that. WWE secret agents will be knocking on his door soon to silence him
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2015 11:18:15 GMT -5
God dammit I am so sick of this childish bull sh*t here. I never said Cena can't have good matches. He can. He has. Was Cena getting DDT'd on the floor only for Zayn to throw him back into the ring where he popped right up and hit an AA comical? Yes it was. I have watched wrestling with casual fans and they laugh their asses off at phony bull sh*t like that. Hell, Stone Cold just devoted 10 minutes of a recent podcast to complaining about the lack of selling big moves in the current product so don't you dare make it sound like this issue is only Cena-related or 2-3 people on this board. I posted a similar topic about 2 weeks ago in regard to the Zayn/Ziggler match and 90% of people here agreed with Austin that moves aren't being sold enough and now Cena does the exact same sh*t two weeks later it's suddenly acceptable. I never said he didn't help put Zayn over. He certainly did. It was a good match. Zayn kicking out of the AA was fantastic and props to Cena for allowing that to happen. My problem with Cena is the same its always been. He's stale as f*ck and what little that he does in the ring never improves. His shoulder blocks, suplexes and STF look the same now as they did in 2002. Hell, even Stone Cold told him on his podcast that he needs to "synch up on that STF for me, kid" but Cena didn't listen and it still looks like sh*t. Stop speaking for me. I don't have blind Cena hate. He can be carried to good/great matches. My issues are lack of development and improvement. That, in my opinion, makes him a horrible wrestler. Someone who wrestles for 13 years with no improvement is not good. Period. Edit: Here is a link to my Ziggler/Neville thread in case some of you already forgot how you feel about lack of selling in the current product......unless it's Cena, I guess. forum.wrestlingfigs.com/thread/319124/shoots-neville-ziggler-selling-issues
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2015 12:26:54 GMT -5
God dammit I am so sick of this childish bull sh*t here. I never said Cena can't have good matches. He can. He has. Was Cena getting DDT'd on the floor only for Zayn to throw him back into the ring where he popped right up and hit an AA comical? Yes it was. I have watched wrestling with casual fans and they laugh their asses off at phony bull sh*t like that. Hell, Stone Cold just devoted 10 minutes of a recent podcast to complaining about the lack of selling big moves in the current product so don't you dare make it sound like this issue is only Cena-related or 2-3 people on this board. I posted a similar topic about 2 weeks ago in regard to the Zayn/Ziggler match and 90% of people here agreed with Austin that moves aren't being sold enough and now Cena does the exact same sh*t two weeks later it's suddenly acceptable. I never said he didn't help put Zayn over. He certainly did. It was a good match. Zayn kicking out of the AA was fantastic and props to Cena for allowing that to happen. My problem with Cena is the same its always been. He's stale as f*ck and what little that he does in the ring never improves. His shoulder blocks, suplexes and STF look the same now as they did in 2002. Hell, even Stone Cold told him on his podcast that he needs to "synch up on that STF for me, kid" but Cena didn't listen and it still looks like sh*t. Stop speaking for me. I don't have blind Cena hate. He can be carried to good/great matches. My issues are lack of development and improvement. That, in my opinion, makes him a horrible wrestler. Someone who wrestles for 13 years with no improvement is not good. Period. Edit: Here is a link to my Ziggler/Neville thread in case some of you already forgot how you feel about lack of selling in the current product......unless it's Cena, I guess. forum.wrestlingfigs.com/thread/319124/shoots-neville-ziggler-selling-issuesCena has improved tremendously since he began. No way a 2002 Cena would have been involve in MOTY candidates. And I don't believe he is carried to do so. And as NMS stated, Ziggler overbumps, he does not oversell. In my opinion at least,one of the best sellers is Jeff Hardy. Wrestling skills aside, he limps or sells his spots for days. After matches he usually looks like he can barely walk. To be fair, wrestling has evolved. In 1990 a DDT would end a match and going to the top rope was an amazing feat to see. It's much faster paced these days and too much selling would probably get "boring" chants. When I went to RAW people where talking about how boring Orton was because of his rest holds, to which where common in the older days. This isn't blind love for Cena either, he has his faults, but I think this whole thing has been blown out of proportion anyway. We have a 3 page thread analyzing a DDT.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2015 12:39:45 GMT -5
God dammit I am so sick of this childish bull sh*t here. I never said Cena can't have good matches. He can. He has. Was Cena getting DDT'd on the floor only for Zayn to throw him back into the ring where he popped right up and hit an AA comical? Yes it was. I have watched wrestling with casual fans and they laugh their asses off at phony bull sh*t like that. Hell, Stone Cold just devoted 10 minutes of a recent podcast to complaining about the lack of selling big moves in the current product so don't you dare make it sound like this issue is only Cena-related or 2-3 people on this board. I posted a similar topic about 2 weeks ago in regard to the Zayn/Ziggler match and 90% of people here agreed with Austin that moves aren't being sold enough and now Cena does the exact same sh*t two weeks later it's suddenly acceptable. I never said he didn't help put Zayn over. He certainly did. It was a good match. Zayn kicking out of the AA was fantastic and props to Cena for allowing that to happen. My problem with Cena is the same its always been. He's stale as f*ck and what little that he does in the ring never improves. His shoulder blocks, suplexes and STF look the same now as they did in 2002. Hell, even Stone Cold told him on his podcast that he needs to "synch up on that STF for me, kid" but Cena didn't listen and it still looks like sh*t. Stop speaking for me. I don't have blind Cena hate. He can be carried to good/great matches. My issues are lack of development and improvement. That, in my opinion, makes him a horrible wrestler. Someone who wrestles for 13 years with no improvement is not good. Period. Edit: Here is a link to my Ziggler/Neville thread in case some of you already forgot how you feel about lack of selling in the current product......unless it's Cena, I guess. forum.wrestlingfigs.com/thread/319124/shoots-neville-ziggler-selling-issuesCena has improved tremendously since he began. No way a 2002 Cena would have been involve in MOTY candidates. And I don't believe he is carried to do so. And as NMS stated, Ziggler overbumps, he does not oversell. In my opinion at least,one of the best sellers is Jeff Hardy. Wrestling skills aside, he limps or sells his spots for days. After matches he usually looks like he can barely walk. To be fair, wrestling has evolved. In 1990 a DDT would end a match and going to the top rope was an amazing feat to see. It's much faster paced these days and too much selling would probably get "boring" chants. When I went to RAW people where talking about how boring Orton was because of his rest holds, to which where common in the older days. This isn't blind love for Cena either, he has his faults, but I think this whole thing has been blown out of proportion anyway. We have a 3 page thread analyzing a DDT. Well 2 weeks ago we had a 4 page thread analyzing a DDT. Stone Cold spent 10-15 minutes of his podcast analyzing a DDT. My point is, if not selling is a problem (as most people here stated it was with Ziggler/Neville) then it is a problem all around. You can't pick and choose who should and shouldn't be selling moves. If Ziggler and Neville need to sell a DDT better then so does Cena and everyone else. That's all I'm trying to say. Cena could've still kicked out of the DDT once Zayn got him back in the ring and THEN hit the AA. As I stated, casual fans who were clearly changing the channel Monday night to something else laugh their asses off at that sh*t because it's so comical and phony. However, I do disagree that Cena has improved in most areas. I think his ring psychology improved. Absolutley. However, nothing he does really looks...good. I hope this makes sense. I'm not trying to sh*t on Cena just to do it. I hope people understand this. I love what he's doing with the U.S. Title, btw. I think everybody figured Daniel Bryan would "Nakamura" the IC title but it turns out Cena is doing it with the U.S. belt which is great. I just don't think anything Cena does looks particularly good. To me, that's unacceptable after 13 years. Just my opinion though but I have the right to give it. I don't need people speaking on my behalf.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2015 12:50:36 GMT -5
Side note: "Nakamura the title" is the best phrase I've seen today.
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