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Post by T R W on May 5, 2015 13:38:08 GMT -5
The Rock used to do the same thing for years too, but everyone liked The Rock so it was OK.
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Post by drifter on May 5, 2015 13:48:09 GMT -5
Lol um, no sell the DDT? I just went back to my dvr of this, and from when Zayn hit the DDT, to when Cena popped up, it was 53 seconds. Almost a minute that Cena sold the effect of the DDT. Yeah, once he hit the AA, he acted back into it, but he is not the only one, a lot of guys will only do a brief selling for stuff. I am not a fan of Cena's at all, but he did his part in helping Zayn look good in their match. They had Sami actually have a competitive match with Cena in his first singles match on the main roster, and that's a case, where a lose still made him look good.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2015 13:57:19 GMT -5
D-mmit Cena! Another talented worker injured!
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Post by drifter on May 5, 2015 14:02:56 GMT -5
D-mmit Cena! Another talented worker injured! It supposedly actually happened before the match, during Zayn's injury, when he does the hype up on the ring steps. You can actually see, once he tosses his arms up, he starts to favor his left shoulder. He stretches at it while he's still on the steps, and after he enters the ring, and shakes Bret's hand, he's kinda holding his arm close to his body.
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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on May 5, 2015 14:04:24 GMT -5
The two best examples I can think of to describe last night's segment with Cena, are Daniel Bryan's debut match in 2010, & Adrian Neville's 2nd matvh on RAW against Seth Rollins in recent weeks.
When rookies face the world's champion right off the bat, you know they have to lose. It's poor booking to do otherwise. Secondly, we can't forget about the unwritten rule of wrestling move psychology/logic. A new wrestler doesn't do their finisher(or most of their holds) as effectively as the veterans, thus they don't hurt as bad. In Kayfabe logic, Zayn's signature DDT isn't as pain as Orton's signature DDT.
You couldn't have this scrawny unknown make his official debut, with a messed up shoulder, defeat the single most dominant wrestler of the last 14 years AND win a championship. How do you book him from there? How do you portray him as an underdog if he's toppled Goliath before the casual viewer even has his name memorized?
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Post by J12 on May 5, 2015 14:08:43 GMT -5
This again?
Cena and Zayn had a great match (with a bum shoulder, no less) and Cena made Sami look like a million bucks.
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Post by drifter on May 5, 2015 14:11:46 GMT -5
The two best examples I can think of to describe last night's segment with Cena, are Daniel Bryan's debut match in 2010, & Adrian Neville's 2nd matvh on RAW against Seth Rollins in recent weeks. When rookies face the world's champion right off the bat, you know they have to lose. It's poor booking to do otherwise. Secondly, we can't forget about the unwritten rule of wrestling move psychology/logic. A new wrestler doesn't do their finisher(or most of their holds) as effectively as the veterans, thus they don't hurt as bad. In Kayfabe logic, Zayn's signature DDT isn't as pain as Orton's signature DDT. You couldn't have this scrawny unknown make his official debut, with a messed up shoulder, defeat the single most dominant wrestler of the last 14 years AND win a championship. How do you book him from there? How do you portray him as an underdog if he's toppled Goliath before the casual viewer even has his name memorized? Um, I really don't agree with that at all. The big difference, is that with Orton's DDT, he's hitting it in the ring, where he can then go on the attack right away. With Zayn, he's hitting it on the outside, usually well into the match, so he's got to exert more energy to get the opponent back into the ring in order for neither of them to get counted out, while giving the opponent to recover during that, since, like last night especially, after he hit the DDT, he does not continue an attack on the opponent.
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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on May 5, 2015 14:16:07 GMT -5
The two best examples I can think of to describe last night's segment with Cena, are Daniel Bryan's debut match in 2010, & Adrian Neville's 2nd matvh on RAW against Seth Rollins in recent weeks. When rookies face the world's champion right off the bat, you know they have to lose. It's poor booking to do otherwise. Secondly, we can't forget about the unwritten rule of wrestling move psychology/logic. A new wrestler doesn't do their finisher(or most of their holds) as effectively as the veterans, thus they don't hurt as bad. In Kayfabe logic, Zayn's signature DDT isn't as pain as Orton's signature DDT. You couldn't have this scrawny unknown make his official debut, with a messed up shoulder, defeat the single most dominant wrestler of the last 14 years AND win a championship. How do you book him from there? How do you portray him as an underdog if he's toppled Goliath before the casual viewer even has his name memorized? Um, I really don't agree with that at all. The big difference, is that with Orton's DDT, he's hitting it in the ring, where he can then go on the attack right away. With Zayn, he's hitting it on the outside, usually well into the match, so he's got to exert more energy to get the opponent back into the ring in order for neither of them to get counted out, while giving the opponent to recover during that, since, like last night especially, after he hit the DDT, he does not continue an attack on the opponent. The example was poor, but the logic is there. It's the reason why wrestlers don't try each other's finishers. Why does Ziggler never get wins off of the Super-Kick?
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2015 14:19:26 GMT -5
Zayn decided when to sell his shoulder hurting instead of being consistent with it. Excusable if it's an actual injury, but if it was storyline then no.
I didn't see any problem with Cena doing that. He does things like it quite often.
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Post by A-Rob on May 5, 2015 14:19:29 GMT -5
i was more appalled that he sold the Koji Clutch worse then the DDT.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2015 14:27:11 GMT -5
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Post by marino13 on May 5, 2015 14:46:00 GMT -5
The two best examples I can think of to describe last night's segment with Cena, are Daniel Bryan's debut match in 2010, & Adrian Neville's 2nd matvh on RAW against Seth Rollins in recent weeks. When rookies face the world's champion right off the bat, you know they have to lose. It's poor booking to do otherwise. Secondly, we can't forget about the unwritten rule of wrestling move psychology/logic. A new wrestler doesn't do their finisher(or most of their holds) as effectively as the veterans, thus they don't hurt as bad. In Kayfabe logic, Zayn's signature DDT isn't as pain as Orton's signature DDT. You couldn't have this scrawny unknown make his official debut, with a messed up shoulder, defeat the single most dominant wrestler of the last 14 years AND win a championship. How do you book him from there? How do you portray him as an underdog if he's toppled Goliath before the casual viewer even has his name memorized? Zayn last night reminded me a lot of Cena's debut against Kurt Angle way back when. Both lost their matches, but gained much more.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2015 15:28:10 GMT -5
Cena could lose both arms, be decapitated and still win. You have won the internet today
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Post by BØRNS on May 5, 2015 16:00:00 GMT -5
I agree. I don't know if I'd say Cena no-selled the DDT, but the finish didn't seem natural, and pretty anticlimactic. It's probably because they wanted it to look like it was an easy win for Cena and that he could have won at any moment.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2015 16:02:20 GMT -5
I agree. I don't know if I'd say Cena no-selled the DDT, but the finish didn't seem natural, and pretty anticlimactic. It's probably because they wanted it to look like it was an easy win for Cena and that he could have won at any moment. The purpose of the match was to show literally the exact opposite, that Sami Zayn can hang with John Cena and that it wasn't an easy win for Cena, even against an injured Zayn.
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Post by BØRNS on May 5, 2015 16:06:18 GMT -5
I agree. I don't know if I'd say Cena no-selled the DDT, but the finish didn't seem natural, and pretty anticlimactic. It's probably because they wanted it to look like it was an easy win for Cena and that he could have won at any moment. The purpose of the match was to show literally the exact opposite, that Sami Zayn can hang with John Cena and that it wasn't an easy win for Cena, even against an injured Zayn. Well that win looked like a pretty simple win for Cena. Just popped an FU for the pin. No back and forth finish or reversals. He just got in the ring, gave an AA and that's it.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2015 16:07:39 GMT -5
The purpose of the match was to show literally the exact opposite, that Sami Zayn can hang with John Cena and that it wasn't an easy win for Cena, even against an injured Zayn. Well that win looked like a pretty simple win for Cena. Just popped an FU for the pin. No back and forth finish or reversals. He just got in the ring, gave an AA and that's it. Did you even watch it?
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Post by honeybear 619 on May 5, 2015 16:23:57 GMT -5
Sami zayn is an over hyped bum!!!
And bret hart looked like an old fool last night. The end.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on May 5, 2015 16:25:17 GMT -5
The purpose of the match was to show literally the exact opposite, that Sami Zayn can hang with John Cena and that it wasn't an easy win for Cena, even against an injured Zayn. Well that win looked like a pretty simple win for Cena. Just popped an FU for the pin. No back and forth finish or reversals. He just got in the ring, gave an AA and that's it. That's not at all what happened.
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Post by Rontaro13 on May 5, 2015 16:26:52 GMT -5
Speaking of Cena's selling, the was this? Probably the most realistic selling to a submission hold. Cena had to be dragged into the ring by Zayn. Now if Cena got back up 2 seconds after the corner DDT, then you can call no sell.
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